W. DRUBS ALL DEMS IN SURVEY

New York Post ^ | 9/18/03 | DEBORAH ORIN

[kattracks]

September 18, 2003 -- WASHINGTON - President Bush holds a comfortable lead over Democratic 2004 wannabes - as well as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton - in a poll released yesterday. Bush holds a 15-point lead over Democratic front-runner Howard Dean and a 10-point lead over Clinton as well as double-digit leads over other Democratic contenders according to Quinnipiac University's national poll.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Eat-It-Democratic-Underground-crybabies BUMP! :)

[JohnHuang2]

Dems dismiss this poll as irrelevant. No name recognition, they say. Wait till voters get to know the candidates, they argue. hmmmmmmm....yep, that's probably it. I guess few voters have heard of Hillary!, too, huh? (Bush beats her by 10 points).

[kattracks]

ping

[Miss Marple]

Yes, it's only a matter of time until Wesley the Weasel is a household word. LOL!

[JohnHuang2]

hehe ;-)

[Flashlight]

No surprises here - but they didn't ask about Gore. Zogby's poll had Bush and Gore in a "virtual tie"; I'd be interested to see what other polls said about this.

[Flashlight]

No surprises here - but they didn't ask about Gore. Zogby's poll had Bush and Gore in a "virtual tie"; I'd be interested to see what other polls said about this.

[jocon307]

"...but they didn't ask about Gore..."

I saw another thread on this, Gore was about where Hillary! comes out. She did 1 point better than Gore.

[VRWC_minion]

Eat-It-Democratic-Underground-crybabies BUMP! :)

I';m probably one of the most optomistic people about Bush's chances and I think the race will end up being a squeaker.

[Final Authority]

In 1991, during our family Christmas party I was running the video camera and the TV was on. Bill Clinton was on the tube for some reason and my brother said, "I can't wait to vote for the winner, Bill". I said something to the effect of, forget it, he won't win, after all we all know he is a liar and a fraud, etc. Well he won and we all suffered. Every time my kids review the family movies we see and hear my brother's prediction, true and tragic as it was.

Anything can happen this far out and it won't necessarily follow logic and reason. Voters, at least 35% anyway, vote and decide using their "feelings". Some only want to vote for the perceived winner, sort of why baseball fans in all parts of the country follow the Yankees, 'cause they are winners, if another team consistently won they would follow that team. Only about 35% of us look at the issues, at the man, consider ourselves responsible for our own destiny, and vote accordingly. The remaining 30% are undecided and independent, are often the suburban types, educated, and unfortunately now more unemployed than three years ago. They will vote their pocketbook, may want stuff from government like healthcare, jobs, etc. That is why Bush is semmingly liberal these days but the Democrats can always trump Bush on this. When Hillary enters the race, hold onto your wallets because she will drain us dry.

[ohioWfan]

This article talks about the 'huge gender gap,' but as I see it, the fact that Bush is AHEAD of Clinton among women is extremely significant.

She is the feminists' darling, and she would lose to this macho, stupid cowboy, even among women.

I LIKE that! Let's help those numbers improve during the campaign.......

[ohioWfan]

Zogby? Not realistic.

Post 9/11, and with Gore's anti-American rhetoric to the Moveon crowd, he wouldn't stand a chance against a REAL President.

[No Truce With Kings]

"I'm probably one of the most optomistic people about Bush's chances and I think the race will end up being a squeaker."

I think, barring something really unexpected, Bush will get 40 states. My assumptions:

1. Iraq is going better than the papers are letting on (based on reports from returning vets and vistors to Iraq).

2. The economy has turned around.

3. No major terrorist attacks in the US. (Based on the apparent success of the war on terror. We have and are continuing to disrupt terrorist operations.)

I really do not think those three conditions are unreasonable.

[Wphile]

Gender gap? It is huge on the men's side - 19 points - but W even beats her among women!! Ahhhhh, that's music to my ears. Perhaps the American women are finally waking up. Please let it be so!

[Wphile]

Although these numbers are good they are no reason for complacency. The election is still over 13 months away and that is an eternity in politics. W has weathered many democrat storms thus far so I think he's in pretty good shape. Nevertheless, we must assume it's going to be a squeaker and work accordingly.

[Flashlight]

Post 9/11, and with Gore's anti-American rhetoric, etc...

I think Gore knows that, at this point, he would lose, and that'a why he hasn't entered the race. However, if, for any reason, Bush's popularity tanks, Gore could win.

My guess is that once the Dem nonimee is decided, the anti-Bush, anti-USA talk will stop, and the nominee will start to sound like Joe Moderation - just a guess.

[Fawnn]

Perhaps the American women are finally waking up. Please let it be so!

Here's my fear: Hillary runs and does most of her campaigning on college campuses. (She's already lost the soccer mom vote. They've wised up and are concerned for their families' safety.) ... Hillary's advance "person" checks out each campus to identify the most charismatic professors -- the ones that all of the co-eds love. Wine and dine those guys and each campaign stop turns into a lovefest. A large contingent of college-age voting females turned into brainwashed robots (craving acceptance) who are working to garner prof attention and reflect the "educated" and/or "intellectual" perspective would make for a closer race.

You combine that effort with the money the RATs are channeling into "leasing" air time for their liberal radio programming (as a way to get around campaign donor restrictions), if Hillary does run, it'll be a much dirtier and more expensive race, that's for sure!

[Remole]

"But she'd still lose to Bush by 52 percent to 42 percent, with a giant gender gap. Bush would lead by 19 points among men, but by just 2 points among women."

The traditional formulation of the "gender gap" meant that women voters would not even approach 50% support for a candidate supported by men; but in this case, Dubya garners over 50%!! Hence the phrase, "but by just . . . " simply mischaracterizes what this poll is suggesting.

[Remole]

Hah!! you beat me too it--I make the same point later. BTW, I'm afraid that OSU is going to be upset this Saturday.