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MUSLIM APOCALYPTIC WRITERS INDICATE FUTURE STRIKES ON NEW YORK AND VATICAN
http://www.spiritdaily.com/muslimapocalyptic.htm ^ | 9/17/03 | spiritdaily.com

Posted on 09/17/2003 10:49:25 AM PDT by Polycarp

MUSLIM APOCALYPTIC WRITERS INDICATE FUTURE STRIKES ON NEW YORK AND VATICAN

Muslim apocalyptic writers indicate that the long-term targets of terrorism will continue to be Washington and New York -- along with the Vatican.

This is apparent from recent Islamic literature that focuses on what many Muslims believe is a coming anti-christ-like figure called the Dajjal, who will supposedly spring up from the U.S. and "Greater Israel," defined by many Muslims as worldwide Jewish influence propelled by the United States. They see endless mishaps for America and its largest city, from nuclear war to natural calamities by which -- in the words of one of the writers, Muhammad `Isa Da'ud -- "the sea will swallow up New York."

"There can be no doubt of the profound hostility entertained by Muslim apocalyptic writers towards the United States, and their intense desire to humiliate it and see it destroyed forever," notes David Cook of the University of Chicago.

In chilling references that predate September 11, Muslim philosophers -- including at least one said to have influenced Bin Laden -- have used terms like "partial strike" and link it to the war over Kuwait as well as the immorality they saw as flourishing in the West, especially under the Clinton Administration. In a bizarre rendering of symbols, Muslim apocalypticists have cited Jeremiah 50:2 and 51:44, where the figure of "Bel" (a Babylonian god) is "punished in Babylon." They connect "Bel" to "Bill" Clinton.

But it isn't just Bill Clinton; the venom is spread wide and far. According to one scenario set forth by Muslim apocalypticist Bashir Muhammad 'Abdallah, the first battle of the End Times was the Kuwait War of 1991, which he refers to as the Third World War as he links America to "the Masons and other secret Jewish organizations."

In Muslim apocalyptic literature, America is associated with "Ad," a city whose destruction is detailed in the Koran. Ad was an advanced civilization, according to Cook, who has studied the Muslim apocalyptic interpretations and quotes Abdallah as seeing Ad as a civilization that "could predict weather and possessed other advanced technology.

"They had advanced weaponry and organized sports and cultural events," Cook writes, summarizing the Muslim beliefs regarding the evil power they had to overthrow. "These, however, were merely for pleasure, not for the purpose of glorifying God. Their buildings were skyscrapers [speaking of their capital, Iram dhat al-`Imad], just as in New York."

Therefore, says Abdallah, "America deserves now, according to the sunna of God regarding the punishment of nations, a partial strike like that which caught Ad." In the matter of earthquakes or khasfs, says Cook, the Muslim apocalyptic writers believe America will be targeted "and specifically New York City, which is called the 'great Babylon.'"

But if such literature is predictive of where terrorists -- believing they are doing God's bidding -- may also strike, other cities may bear similar concerns. In future apocalyptic scenarios the writers see missiles destroying a total of "five American cities," says Cook.

Time and again, reference is made to the war with Iraq over Kuwait -- which ironically now figures so prominently into the current presidency of former President Bush's son. New York is focused upon by Muslim fanatics because "there are more Jews than in other places, and in it is their wealth, their banks, their political foundations which control the entire world, so there is no evil greater than in New York in any other place on the inhabited earth, and for this reason their portion of the punishment will be greater in measure and it will be a total uprooting," notes Cook in his splendid scholarship.

The destruction of New York and the U.S. by everything from war to earthquakes is accompanied by ominous Islamic prophetic interpretations that have the U.S. defeated in Jerusalem.

"After this," notes Cook, "the victorious Muslims will conquer Europe and destroy the 'idolatrous church in the Vatican.'

"This will lead to the brief reign of the Mahdi, which will be ended by the physical appearance of the Dajjal himself, who will gather another huge army to fight the Battle of Armageddon."

The "Mahdi" is a messianic figure whom some radicals now associate with Osama Bin Laden. According to Muslim writers, the Mahdi will proclaim himself in Mecca and move against Jordan, which will be ruled by a Jew.

"Then America will live through the worst disaster in its history," writes Muhammad 'Isa Da'ud. "This disaster will be the destruction of New York by a terrible flood after a terrifying series of explosions nearby makes the surrounding waters swallow it up as if it is an ant inside a terrifying star of heat and water."

In the perspective of these Muslim writers, "Florida also suffers nuclear explosions of unknown origin and this triggers even more explosions as the American nuclear arsenal in the area detonates."

After the disabling of the U.S., much of Europe will convert to Islam, in the view of modern Muslim prophetic writers, but there will be one stumbling block. "This ideal state of affairs is wrecked by the Vatican, since groups of saboteurs under Roman Catholic control are caught, and brought before the Mahdi," says Cook. "They confess who sent them to him personally and to representatives of the foreign countries. Then the Mahdi proclaims that his armies are moving to the Vatican and going to attack Rome."

It is a sobering warning on both short-term and long-term radical Muslim intentions. Let us make clear that this is not a view held by the majority of those who adhere to Islam. But it is prevalent in large circles that have spawned groups like Hamas and al-Qaeda. "Washington, the city of the American White House, where the policies of Satan are made, and the cursed Congress, whose decisions are led by the devil, and approved by the anti-christ -- fires swallow them up and they become past tense," writes the Muslim writer Da'ud.

Why the World Trade Center? Why the Pentagon? Besides the obvious nature of these symbols, they relate to the prophetic view of future events. "Bin Laden lives in a symbolic universe which reads apocalyptically," says another scholar, Richard Landes, director of the Center for Millennial Studies at Boston University.

"We need to consider both issues -- the motivations of Bin Laden and the Arab-Israeli conflict in light of Islamism and its apocalyptic world view. Bin Laden is a central player in a cosmic battle that pits the warriors for truth against the agents of Satan and evil in this world. For a good idea of what this vision consists of, see the web site named in honor of Abdullah Azzam, Bin Laden's (now dead) mentor and the founder of MAK, the predecessor to Al Qa'ida, especially the apocalyptic reading of the present world situation by a respected Saudi theologian, Sifr al-Hawali. He uses Daniel to prove that the second intifada began the 'Day of Rage of the Lord.' See also Islam, Qur'an and Qiyamah, by a moderate theologian who dislikes the fundamentalists, but nonetheless reads Sura 57 of the Koran as an apocalyptic prophecy fulfilled in the Trade Center bombing."

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To: fishtank
How 'bout "Charles Martel hammered the barabrian horde at Tours, and all I got was this dumb t-shirt." Or "I'm with Sobeski" with an arrow pointing to the side.
41 posted on 09/17/2003 12:41:47 PM PDT by j.havenfarm ("Stoke of the pen, law of the land. Cool." - Blumenthal, 1997; 9th Circuit, 2003.)
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To: StriperSniper
If there is another terrorist attack on America that kills thousands of Americans, that button will be pushed.

I would change thousands to hundreds or tens, but other than that I'm in favor of the Nuke Mecca approach.

By the way, this reply is worthy of it's own thread in my opinion.

42 posted on 09/17/2003 12:42:24 PM PDT by MrConfettiMan ("Yes! I am a citizen! Now which way to the welfare office?" - Apu, The Simpsons)
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To: Cap'n Crunch; Polycarp; Salvation; Barnacle
There are prophecies by catholic saints who said that the Muslims would invade into Europe and try to destroy the Vatican.


It is the first and the only Mosque in Rome, located at the foot of the hill. It was erected in 1984-93, and designed by Paolo Portoghesi, Vittorio Gigliotti and Sami Monsawi. The mosque, that can hold up to 3000 people and is the largest in Europe, was financed by some 24 Arab countries. There is also a cultural center and library here.

The mosque requested and received permission from the Italian Gov't to erect a crescent moon that rises higher than the cross on the Vatican.

According to Zenit News Agency, In June 2003, the Islamic Cultural Center of Rome ousted the imam from the city's Great Mosque after he urged the faithful in a sermon to "destroy the enemies of Islam."

43 posted on 09/17/2003 12:46:43 PM PDT by NYer (Catholic and living it.)
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To: DooDahhhh
Why don't they do this??

Because Bush believes that Islam is a "Religion of Piece" !!! . Isn't that a total absurdity ??? . Actually, Islam is a religeoi of P-I-E-C-E-S . . . e.g., chopped off hands, feet, fingers, toes, ears, noses, heads, etc., etc., etc. !!!

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44 posted on 09/17/2003 12:56:14 PM PDT by GeekDejure
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To: NYer
Wow! A seaside view! Imagine launching one of these babies out my living room window : )


45 posted on 09/17/2003 1:00:03 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: Salvation
Maria Esperanza (Venezuelan visionary) has forseen something involving Cuba ( in alliance with these terrorists) with missles aimed at NY and Washington.
46 posted on 09/17/2003 1:00:08 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Polycarp
In the perspective of these Muslim writers, "Florida also suffers nuclear explosions of unknown origin and this triggers even more explosions as the American nuclear arsenal in the area detonates."

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

These sandmaggots are great at ranting and raving, but are clueless about simple things like grammar-school physics.

Great glorious civilization my assets!

47 posted on 09/17/2003 1:02:59 PM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Polycarp
So if we drop the Clintons into Mecca will that kill two birds with one stone?
48 posted on 09/17/2003 1:06:55 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Polycarp
I just hope the sandmaggots are not totally insane.

They touch the vatican or let loose a WMD in the US and Mecca, Medina and every other muslim "holy" place will instantly become a permanent and radioactive "hole-y" place.

Guaranteed.

49 posted on 09/17/2003 1:07:28 PM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Polycarp
"Muslim apocalyptic writers indicate that the long-term targets of terrorism will continue to be Washington and New York -- along with the Vatican."

The Muslim version of the "X-Files".

How does one become a "apocalyptic writer"????



50 posted on 09/17/2003 1:10:06 PM PDT by FeliciaCat
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To: fishtank
""Rumble at Lepanto" T-shirt."

LOL! Just start making some with Lepanto printed in a large scale medevial type.
51 posted on 09/17/2003 1:13:58 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG... I think you're on to something important... history and truth)
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To: Arrowhead1952
"I did not know there were nuclear warheads in Florida."

Think Cuba!
52 posted on 09/17/2003 1:17:23 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Polycarp
in the words of one of the writers, Muhammad `Isa Da'ud -- "the sea will swallow up New York.">

This is just like the Islamists. New York is beloved by many Muslims, probably the city in which they can find the most freedom and acceptance and they plan to blow it up.

53 posted on 09/17/2003 1:17:40 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Dajjal
Pingaroo!
54 posted on 09/17/2003 1:19:18 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Polycarp
There are many Catholic prophecies which predict the Muslims will take over the Vatican. Now they predict it themselves. Italy is being overrun by illegal Muslims as we speak. Is anyone paying attention?
55 posted on 09/17/2003 1:19:32 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Polycarp
Maybe a little comfort is in order

Salvation

       "Salvation" is a very common topic, and yet still subject to much confusion. Salvation is received, not earned.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

       It is His gift; not wages. His salvation is for a purpose: to restore mankind to Himself. And it flows from a heart of love.

       (Have you ever wondered why He bothered? The answer is in the verse just before the one above):
That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. Ephesians 2:7

       Salvation is not an optional extra. The classic passage is John Chapter 3, where Nico-demus comes to Jesus by night.

Nicodemus

       We know a great deal about this influential character. The Talmud indicates he was one of the four richest men in Jerusalem. He was a Pharisee and a ruler-a member of the Sanhedrin.

       He was a member of the aristocratic family that had furnished the Hasmonean King Aristobulus II with his ambassador to Pompey in 63 B.C. His son apparently was the man who negotiated the terms of surrender to the Roman garrison in Jerusalem prior to the final destruction of that city in A.D. 70. 1

       Nicodemus outranks each of us in every respect: he was among the most wealthy in that society; he had stature; he had knowledge-in fact, he was the teacher. 2

       Nicodemus was among the most respected and religious among the professionals of his culture. He was certainly ahead of any of us. Yet he was in desperate need. Jesus declared to him, "Ye must be born again." 3If he had a spiritual need, where does that place us ?

Our Most Urgent Need

       Why should God let you into heaven? You say, "I am as good as the next guy." Strike one.

       "I am doing the best I can." Strike two.

       "I'll try harder." Strike three.

       "Nobody's perfect." That's the problem. Sin is a genetic disease; it has contaminated our very nature. Children never need a lesson in being bad. This genetic disease, sin, makes us ineligible for perfection; ineligible to be in the presence of a holy God.

Eternity

       Every one of us will exist forever. The real you-call it "soul," " spirit," whatever-has no mass . It is "software" not "hardware." Having no mass, it has no time dimension limitations. Time is a physical dimension. You are eternal-whether you are "saved" or not!

       The problem is, where will you spend eternity ? If you are perfect-totally free of sin-you will spend it in the presence of God. If not, you will be denied His presence. You and I cannot begin to grasp what that implies. For eternity: that's a long time.

Who Will Perish?

       What separates those who will spend an eternity in hell from those who will not? Heaven will be full of people who have committed all kinds of sin.

       Hell is a real place for real people. 4The one who told us the most about it was the Lord Jesus Himself. There are only two categories-those that perish and those that don't:
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18

       Salvation is an arrangement by which His eligibility is substituted for our lack thereof. It is available to us because our debts have been fully paid. Our complete pardon has been purchased and paid for.

       Even killing the Son of God was not severe enough to put those men outside the boundaries of God's offer of forgiveness. 5

       [Is there anything keeping you from accepting God's free gift of salvation right now? If there is any doubt in your mind, bring it to the Throne right now . You don't need an appointment. Don't even read on without nailing this one down... with Him. It's your highest priority over anything-everything-else.]

       We don't become saved by acting saved. We don't become married by acting married. Faith bridges the gap between our need and God's provision. Faith is simply the way we say "yes" to His offer.

       What are you trusting in? Christ, plus something ? Or is your hope and your trust in Christ alone? He did the whole job. To imply something must be added is a form of blasphemy!

       Your helmet was purchased just for you. You are entitled to it because of Him.

Wearing Your Helmet

       With a helmet on, you're noticeable . If you just possess one, it won't be as obvious. Life after death is not the issue. Life after "birth" is. Are you living as if you are saved? Many of us don't live as if we're saved... We are difficult to recognize because of "blending in." We exhibit fear, anxiety, doubt, and hesitation.
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.
Romans 8:28

       What are the most important words in that verse? The first three: " And we know ." Not just "suspect," or "hope," etc.

       Realize who you are and that Christ paid the full price for your redemption. You have been redeemed, you have been paid for; you are no longer your own.

       Put on your helmet; protect your thoughts by realizing who you are in Him. Nothing protects you more from a blow to your head than our "helmet of salvation." Each time you step out your door each day, realize that you have been redeemed.

       You already have eternal life. No one can take that away from you. So Satan's darts can't reach you. Nothing, by any means, can hurt you. Re-read Romans 8:28-39.

       Take your helmet off and you're vulnerable. Satan will put lying thoughts in your head. Remember this: How many of your sins were yet future at the cross? All of them .

       Take the eternal perspective. When did God first start dealing with your problem? Before the world began! 6What a staggering insight! He knew and planned for your destiny from before the beginning of time! (We often joke: I'm glad he picked me back then. Looking at me now, He might change His mind!)

       We also need to manifest our helmet. We need to alert others to their need for one and how they can obtain theirs. Make this, indeed, a "New Year!" Put on your helmet and let the world know of your security in Christ. Walk with your head up, free of fear and doubt.
56 posted on 09/17/2003 1:22:31 PM PDT by itsahoot
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To: Polycarp
Looks to me like some Muslim seers ate too many burritos before going to sleep. I don;t doubt that NYC, DC, and the Vatican are targets, and will continue to be, but not for the mumbo-jumbo in this article.
57 posted on 09/17/2003 1:24:00 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Polycarp
Ad was an advanced civilization, according to Cook, who has studied the Muslim apocalyptic interpretations and quotes Abdallah as seeing Ad as a civilization that "could predict weather and possessed other advanced technology.

Well, I can understand that predicting the weather is seen as advanced technology to Muslims. lol

58 posted on 09/17/2003 1:27:19 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: All
Everyone wants to write a book.
59 posted on 09/17/2003 1:39:52 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: eastsider
Lol ... why limit yourself. Think grandiose ... plan on a yacht!


Look ... nice little "baby grand" to keep you entertained.


Dining by candlelight. You've had good practice already, during the blackout.

60 posted on 09/17/2003 1:46:25 PM PDT by NYer (Catholic and living it.)
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