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Posted on 09/17/2003 10:49:25 AM PDT by Polycarp

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1 posted on 09/17/2003 10:49:26 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
Heck, if it would appease them by handing over clinton, that's one thing I'd certainly consider!
2 posted on 09/17/2003 10:51:13 AM PDT by Monty22
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To: Polycarp
Looks like a "Turner Diaries" for Muslim whackos.
3 posted on 09/17/2003 10:52:03 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: Polycarp
This has been a religious war from the outset. Anyone who still doesn't see that is blind.

4 posted on 09/17/2003 10:52:14 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; aposiopetic; ...
Consider the source, then take it with a grain of salt, or if nothing else take it as humor. I don't know anything about these claims but find them entertaining if nothing else.
5 posted on 09/17/2003 10:52:23 AM PDT by Polycarp ("women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness" 1Tim2:15)
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To: Polycarp
It is my wish that in 50 years the most popular tourist attraction in the Middle East will be the "Mecca Crater".
6 posted on 09/17/2003 10:53:40 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Monty22; Polycarp
To find out how it all ends, turn to Zechariah chapter 14.
7 posted on 09/17/2003 10:53:46 AM PDT by Alouette (The bombing begins in five minutes.)
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To: Polycarp
"the victorious Muslims will conquer Europe and destroy the 'idolatrous church in the Vatican.'

But I read in the New York Times that the root causes of terrorism are all of American origin.

Maybe if Bush would sign the Kyoto Agreement and put an end to foreign McDonald’s franchises, these muslims will become our friends.

8 posted on 09/17/2003 10:54:38 AM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: Polycarp
Good thing I didn't have my reading glasses on when I opened this thread.
9 posted on 09/17/2003 10:54:43 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: Polycarp
"Muslim apocalypticists have cited Jeremiah 50:2 and 51:44, where the figure of "Bel" (a Babylonian god) is "punished in Babylon." They connect "Bel" to "Bill" Clinton."

Well.....that got one thing right.... :o

10 posted on 09/17/2003 10:55:22 AM PDT by BossLady (Punch card voting since 1981.......)
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To: Polycarp
The Vatican?


Jack Wheeler Freedom Research Foundation September 15, 2001

The British Prime Minister, Tony Blair, has now publicly warned that Moslem Terrorists may next use biochemical or nuclear weapons against America. The consensus is widespread among Western professional military and geopolitical analysts that this is now a clear possibility. Radical Islamists throughout the entire Moslem world are whipping people into a rabid frenzy of rage against America.

There is absolutely no way to placate or appease or negotiate with these people. There is absolutely no way that America will not militarily assault the bastions of Moslem Terrorism and make every effort to hunt down and kill Osama Bin Laden, his followers, and all those who participated in the atrocity of September 11. Any appeals to not do so because it will not end "the cycle of violence" will fall on deaf American ears, and rightly so. We want these bastards put to death.

We will do this. Yet the threat of a far more murderous next round of terror is fully real. But how could it be stopped? How can you stop people who are willing to die for their evil cause? How can you protect every plane, every building, every place in which a suitcase nuke could be hidden, every water supply that could be poisoned with biochemical agents? The answer is that you can't. So what can we do, how can we possibly protect ourselves from these impossibly insane monsters?

Let's look at it another way. Moslem Terrorists come from different countries. They aren't located in any one place or nation. We are not at war with a nation-state, like Japan or Germany, but a phenomenon, a will-o'the-wisp wraith that's nowhere in particular and could be everywhere. So we can't defeat them geographically. How else can we defeat them? Yes, we can and must send military forces, mostly Special Operations teams, to hunt them down and kill them individually. But let's go deeper.

What do all Moslem Terrorists have in common no matter where they come from? Obviously, they are all Moslems. Hunting them down and killing them individually will take time. And they are not afraid to die, as they are convinced by dying in a Jihad against America they will go to Moslem Heaven. Is there, then, a threat we could quite credibly make to all of them as a whole, a threat so terrifying and horrible that they might cease any further attempt to attack America and civilization?

Yes, there is - a threat to utterly obliterate for all time the sacred center of their religion, the Holy City of Mecca.

The one and only thing that would shake a Moslem Terrorist's soul to the core, that would cause him to abandon his activities, that would pour ice cold water on the boiling rage against America emerging throughout the Moslem world, is if the President of the United States went on world television and gave the following speech:

"My fellow Americans and fellow citizens of the civilized world: I have today ordered the targeting of our intercontinental nuclear ballistic missiles on the city of Mecca in Saudi Arabia. It is not that the Holy City of Mecca will be targeted if there is another terror attack upon America as bad or worse than that of September 11. It is that Mecca is now already targeted.

"Military officers in the most secure bunkers in the world have their fingers on the nuclear button as we speak. If there is another terrorist attack on America that kills thousands of Americans, that button will be pushed. Once that button is pushed, the missile is on its way, and there is no power on earth nor beyond that can stop the complete and total obliteration of the sacred center of the Moslem religion - forever.

"I realize what a terrible threat this is. But America is faced with the most evil and incomprehensibly monstrous threat such that only the most incomprehensibly monstrous threat to those that threaten us will protect us. So let me now speak to those in the world who wish to destroy our civilization. America is the only nation that has used nuclear weapons, and we make no apologies for it. We were attacked at Pearl Harbor and we put an end to it at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So you know we are capable of doing what we say.

"You attacked us in New York and Washington, slaughtering thousands of innocent civilians - and we will put an end to it in Mecca if you attack us again, so help me God.

"I also realize that the vast majority of Moslems in the world do not support terrorism and will be horrified by my pronouncement. I must be frank with you. The people who threaten us claim to be Moslems, claim to be motivated by the teachings and beliefs of your religion. Moslem Terrorism is a sickness, a moral disease within the Moslem community. It must be your job, then, to rid and cure your community of this disease. We want peace. That is all we are asking for, not to be terrorized. If the threat I am instituting today is what it takes to achieve that, so be it. Get this poison out of your community, cure the sickness within the souls of your fellow Moslems, and our fingers will come off the button - but not until.

"The attack on America on September 11 was an attack on civilization itself. As your President, I vow that I will do whatever it takes to protect our country and our civilization. My decision today should be seen in that light. May God Bless America."

What makes this threat so credible is not only our history but that public opinion polls are showing that over one-third of Americans are in favor of using nuclear weapons to go after Osama Bin Laden. Now - let's take a deep breath at this point. It was the threat of thermonuclear war that prevented the Cold War from becoming hot. The threat was so horrific nukes were never used. This is the purpose of the threat to nuke Mecca. No threat to nuke or flatten any other place, Baghdad or Afghanistan, would remotely do as much good. Only the threat - the believable threat -- to destroy the one place utterly sacred to the Moslem Terrorists will be effective. The terrorists must understand that when left alone, Americans are peaceful. But when Americans are attacked like at Pearl Harbor or New York, we become the meanest, nastiest, most ruthless sons-of-bitches on the planet. While we are engaged in hunting them down and killing them, the terrorists must understand that if they attack us again we will wipe Mecca off the face of this earth.

Thus the threat to Nuke Mecca may result in a kind of Cold War standoff - don't kill us in a germ war attack, we don't vaporize the Kaaba. So the threat just gives us a breathing space. What has to come after is a comprehensive geopolitical plan to bring Islam in general and the Arab world in particular into the civilized world. One of the most important is to launch a serious demand for Arab Democracy.

The Arab world is a morass of fascism and dictatorship. While history demonstrates that democracies very rarely fight each other, the West refuses to demand the democratization of dictatorships like Syria and the Palestinian Authority for the demand is a slippery slope to the democratization and possible resultant destabilization of Saudi Arabia, the world's great supplier of oil.

Yet there is no other path to peace in the Middle East, either regarding Israel or Islam vs. America, other than the democratization of the entire Middle East including Saudi Arabia. Couple this with the fact that the threat to nuke Mecca would drive the Saudis around an apoplectic bend as Mecca is in their country. This means we have to move quickly to secure major alternatives to the supply of oil:

* Saddam Hussein has to finally be assassinated and Iraq - a make-believe country in the first place, created by the Brits after World War I - dismembered. Turkey would get the Kirkuk oil fields on the condition to give the Kurds regional autonomy. Iran would get Basra on the condition to abandon radical Islam, whereupon its pipelines could carry Caspian Sea oil to its port at Bandar Abbas. A pro-West Iran would flourish. Baghdad would end up a city-state, to either democratically and capitalistically prosper or end up like the abandoned ruins of Babylon.

* Nigeria must be secured, with President Olesegun Obasanjo assisted in truly ending rapacious corruption, instituting the rule of law, providing regional autonomy, and stabilizing his country.

* The rule of Castro-wannabe Hugo Chavez in Venezuela must be terminated. The US imports more oil from Venezuela than from Saudi and Chavez is destroying both its economy and political institutions.

* A joint military task force from the armies of Brazil, Argentina, Chile, and Peru must be formed with US cooperation to militarily eradicate the FARC and other narco-marxist guerrillas from Colombia.

* Obviously ANWR in Alaska must be drilled, and a crash program to develop methods to safely and efficiently extract the two trillion (yes, with a 't') barrels of oil presently locked into tarsand deposits in the US and Canada.

With no resultant need for dependence upon Saudi oil, the Arab democratization can proceed apace. In tandem with the democratization of Islam would be the worldwide promotion of "Jadidism" as the Islamic alternative to "Jihadism." The Jadid ("New") Movement arose in Central Asia 100 years ago, and was snuffed out by the Soviets. It's revival is the means by which a modernized Islam embracing and flourishng in the civilized world can end envious Jihadism.

These are all medium and long-range goals. The immediate goal for America right now, in addition to physically liquidating the perpetrators and sponsors of September 11, is to do something so shocking, make a threat so stupefyingly outrageous, to Moslem Terrorists that they would abandon further attacks upon us. A clear and credible threat to Nuke Mecca is that something. It will undoubtedly cause a good many Moslems around the world to indulge in all kinds of anti-American spasms - riots, attacks on embassies, and the like. But this is full out war. We've got to risk casualties and unpleasantness. Riots don't mean a thing compared to tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans being killed in a germ or biochemical attack. This is what must be prevented at all cost.

Besides, the threat to Nuke Mecca is not the only threat that would stop the terrorists in their tracks, To show them we mean business, we could offer to blow the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem to smithereens. It wouldn't even take nukes - a handful of Tomahawk cruise missiles with conventional warheads would do the job quite easily. After the second most sacred spot in Islam is a pile of rubble, it would dawn on them that we really do have the chutzpah to nuclearize their holiest of holies. Once the Moslem Terrorists, their supporters and sponsors and apologizers, are faced with the systematic destruction of all that is sacred to them, we stand the chance of being left alone in peace.

Jack Wheeler Freedom Research Foundation (c)copyright 2001 Dr. Jack Wheeler and the Freedom Research Foundation.

11 posted on 09/17/2003 10:56:26 AM PDT by StriperSniper (The slippery slope is getting steeper.)
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"This disaster will be the destruction of New York by a terrible flood after a terrifying series of explosions nearby makes the surrounding waters swallow it up as if it is an ant inside a terrifying star of heat and water."

You still have plenty of time to take out flood insurance. Does the rate go down the higher up you are?

12 posted on 09/17/2003 10:58:04 AM PDT by NYer (Catholic and living it.)
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To: Bikers4Bush
Tours. Lepanto. Constantinople. Vienna. New York. Washington. Mazar e-Sharif. Baghdad. Anyone who doesn't see that these are all battles in the same war we're been fighting for 1400 years is wilfully blind.
13 posted on 09/17/2003 11:00:59 AM PDT by j.havenfarm ("Stoke of the pen, law of the land. Cool." - Blumenthal, 1997; 9th Circuit, 2003.)
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To: Semper Paratus
Make that 5 years.
14 posted on 09/17/2003 11:02:25 AM PDT by MCRD
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To: Dajjal
15 posted on 09/17/2003 11:02:38 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: dead
Many Moslems, like Christians, see the signs of the end times in recent events. These terrorists are the Islamic version of the "Left behind" people. The only difference is that in Islam--they can battle there Satan directly. Unfortunatly--Their Satan is the USA and the Vatican.
16 posted on 09/17/2003 11:04:48 AM PDT by Hollywoodghost (Let he who would be free strike the first blow)
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To: StriperSniper
To show them we mean business, we could offer to blow the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem to smithereens.

They'd never believe we were serious if we didn't first destroy the Dome of the Rock or Medina to prove we mean it.

Once we destroy the Dome of the Rock, can we then also give the real estate to Israel?

18 posted on 09/17/2003 11:05:35 AM PDT by Polycarp ("women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness" 1Tim2:15)
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To: Polycarp
"Ad was an advanced civilization, according to Cook, who has studied the Muslim apocalyptic interpretations and quotes Abdallah as seeing Ad as a civilization that "could predict weather and possessed other advanced technology."

Bear in mind: To Muslims a tribe of Indians living in the rain forests of South America would be considered "an advanced civilization." They possess blow guns, and other "advanced technology."

19 posted on 09/17/2003 11:10:31 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: StriperSniper
Why don't they do this??
20 posted on 09/17/2003 11:13:55 AM PDT by DooDahhhh
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