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Gay dads want their son to grow up straight
The Sun-Herald, Sydney, Australia ^ | September 14, 2003 | By Candace Sutton and Larry Schwartz

Posted on 09/14/2003 2:54:25 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie

Two men and a baby... Tony Wood and Lee Matthews playing with baby Alexander.

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An extraordinary documentary about how two gay men flew to America and hired a surrogate mother to have a son is set to rekindle the debate about what constitutes an Australian family.

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In the US they call it the "gayby boom".

In Australia, where laws vary, it is still the centre of emotional and ethical controversy.

Tony Wood, 40, and Lee Matthews, 34, are an upper-middle-class professional couple who decided five years ago they wanted to be parents.

The men each donated their sperm to fertilise eggs donated by a young American woman they chose after studying a catalogue in a process "very cut and dried, like retail shopping".

The resulting embryos were then impregnated into another American woman, who gave birth to a 2.8 kilogram boy, Alexander, in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, last December.

In a process which is banned in most countries around the world, the men used a California-based surrogacy and egg donation firm, Growing Generations, which is dedicated to the gay and lesbian community. The firm's website says it has assisted with the birth of at least 196 babies in cases from around the world.

There is no law prohibiting surrogacy in NSW (New South Wales, Australia’s most populous State.) But no contract between parties to undergo surrogacy would be recognised in the courts and the legal status and the nationality of a child born overseas would be under question.

The Melbourne couple brought Alexander back to Australia and now plan to raise the boy, who Mr Matthews said he hoped would grow up "straight" rather than gay, in a two-father family.

Despite the fact that the woman who carried Alexander, Junoa, is flying to Australia in December for his first birthday, Mr Wood and Mr Matthews do not consider her the boy's mother.

"She is not actually the mother . . . at the end of the day you have two dads, you don't have a mum," Mr Matthews said.

The men, who have been a couple for 14 years, initially encountered some "vehement" opposition from within the gay community to their plans to parent.

But they said increasing numbers of gay couples, particularly lesbians, were opting for parenthood.

"We believe our family is entitled to the same recognition as other families," Mr Wood said.

The men's story is expected to stir up a controversy when it airs as an SBS (government-funded, left-leaning TV network) documentary, Man-Made: The Story Of Two Men And A Baby, on September 30.

Community division on the subject of gay unions was highlighted by Prime Minister John Howard's recent comment that "if the same status is given in our society to gay unions as is given to traditional marriage, we will weaken that bedrock institution".

A spokesman for the Catholic Church said yesterday gay male parents were denying a child its natural right "to the love and nurture of a mother".

"With stolen children (children allegedly taken by Australian government authorities from their aboriginal parents, earlier this century), adoptions and all those things of the past 40 years, we have seen the problems that come with family situations than couldn't be avoided.

"What are we creating with these children? This is a case of adults fulfilling their own desires, but it is the children who suffer."

Bill Muehlenberg, vice-president of the Australian Family Association, said one of several concerns was "the commodification of children, the idea of baby-buying and all that goes with it". He said surrogacy, "with or without homosexual couples", was problematic.

"We may be placating the whims and fancies of adults but too often the very real interests of children are being overlooked in the debate," he said.

But Dr Justin Oakley, director of Monash University's Centre for Human Bioethics, said: "I don't see there's any particular problem with it and I think it's a shame [Mr Matthews and Mr Wood] have had to resort to such means in order to become parents or to become fathers."

Mr Matthews said he believed he and his partner had become parents "for all the right reasons . . . because we thought we could offer . . . a nurturing, protective and supportive environment.

"Parenthood isn't right for everyone. There's a huge lobby that sees surrogacy, and surrogacy in particular for same sex couples, as devil worship."

Mr Wood said they went through with it "because we love kids and thought we'd get a lot out of it ourselves and . . . hasn't it turned out better than you could have imagined".

"We have the perfect child. Every parent probably says that.

"He's an absolute delight, just amazing and he's got the most wonderful nature."

The couple said yesterday they were not necessarily advocating surrogacy and costs would be prohibitive to many gay couples.

Mr Matthews said he knew of "a handful of gay men" in Australia with their own babies. It had become far more common in the US.

In the documentary film, William Halms, of Growing Generations, says costs are so high he calls his own three children who were born in the program, "$75,000 babies". A first- time surrogate mother is paid $US20,000 ($30,130), a second-time one is paid $US25,000 and so on.

Egg donors, mostly college students, received an average $US5000, he said.

Mr Matthews and Mr Wood declined to reveal how much they had spent. The St Kilda men have maintained frequent email, mail and telephone communication with the surrogate mother.

Junoa, herself a mother of two, says in the documentary that she had long wanted to be a surrogate mother.

"I wanted to give someone who really wanted children the chance to parent," she says.

"To imagine not being able to have children destroys me."

After the birth, she says the process has left her with "a little fear, a little heartbreak, but a lot of pride".

"I thought, 'him leaving is going to break my heart', but then I am so proud his daddies will get to take care of him and raise him," she says.

But nevertheless she looks wistful and depressed before parting with the child.

Mr Matthews and Mr Wood have not ruled out having more children.


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KEYWORDS: austrailia; catholiclist; childhood; documentary; fatherhood; homosexualadoption; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; males; prisoners; surrogates
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To: OldPossum; ChemistCat
...I thought this was an unusual post by CC, whose comments on other matters are usually very well-reasoned. I don't know what happened this time...

...perhaps because CC has a family member or friend who is gay, and is thereby (creditably) protective of that person? But this thread's about gay adoption and baby selling, not the rights and wrongs of homosexuality. Cheers, By

61 posted on 09/14/2003 4:27:01 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: maxwell
Now, now - we can't think things like that, or you'll be arrested for a hate crime. (But you're exactly right, and my thought about your friend as well).
62 posted on 09/14/2003 4:27:23 PM PDT by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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To: ChemistCat
Just for the record, Kittycat-rejecting the premise that homosexuals are born that way and cannot change their perversion or resist the cravings thereof, does not make us homophobes or haters of homosexuals. In reality we are the best hope these people have. Their worst enemnies, are the self righteous creatures who cater to their weaknesses and delusions and by doing so, deny them any hope of escape from their self designed hell on earth. Loving friends offer hope for the seemingly hopeless and never give up and write them off as a lost cause.

Medical Science has never given up on the other mental and physical conditions that bedevil mortals and have found cures or treatment for conditions that by comparison were far more hopeless than the sickness that ails homosexuals. If we had given up on Polio, humanity would not be concerned about over populating the earth, but finding un-paralized care givers among the smidgen of humanity that remained. Just because the disease of homosexuality feels estactically good to many of those afflicted, does not make it any less an illness, nor an incurable malady that cannot be fixed.

When homosexuality has been eradicated from the earth by healing the sufferers thereof, they will owe a debt of gratitude to us who are called homophobes and an apology from the ilk of yourself Mr. Kitty.
63 posted on 09/14/2003 4:28:39 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Picture nine Dumbocrat Clowndidates exiting a Yugo clown car, as another arrives by broom.)
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To: and the horse you rode in on
That doesn't make you a bad parent. Bringing a child in to the world with the intention not to give it contact with a mother, biological or not, is esentially cruelty. Meaning that if your going to have a child or adopt a child you need to have both a mother and father there to raise the child not just be a sperm or egg donor.
64 posted on 09/14/2003 4:30:27 PM PDT by bitcon
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To: Byron_the_Aussie; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; ...
Ping.
65 posted on 09/14/2003 4:31:08 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: Paul Atreides
I guess I'd better prepare my opus then...
66 posted on 09/14/2003 4:31:34 PM PDT by wardaddy (Roland will be missed by me.)
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To: GreatOne
Most emphatically not a friend-- though related to a dear friend of mine.

Yep, I know my gut reaction was most intolerant. It was the most obvious to me, though. As a conservative (no matter what tpaine says, nyuk nyuk), I can't bring myself to "excuse" what this teen did based on upbringing: I have a fundamental horror of that type of defense. However, that being said: the woman is not without the proverbial blood on her hands, as far as the molestees go. The teen's actions point to deepseated disturbance, and a good bet would be that these disturbances stem from the childhood home life...

67 posted on 09/14/2003 4:33:20 PM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: bitcon
That doesn't make you a bad parent. Bringing a child in to the world with the intention not to give it contact with a mother, biological or not, is esentially cruelty. Meaning that if your going to have a child or adopt a child you need to have both a mother and father there to raise the child not just be a sperm or egg donor.

You can't really be saying that ones intentions are more important than the results, can you?
That sounds like something Bill Clinton would say.

68 posted on 09/14/2003 4:39:15 PM PDT by and the horse you rode in on (Real Texicans; we're grizzled, we're grumpy and we're armed)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
My comments about CC's views were referring to baby selling and gay adoption. I simply disagree with CC, believing that every child deserves a complete family unit, which to me consists of a mother and father.
69 posted on 09/14/2003 4:41:56 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Texas Eagle
I would compare it to being a shoplifter...

That's your opinion. And you are certainly entitled to it, inane as it is.

70 posted on 09/14/2003 4:43:07 PM PDT by Trust but Verify (Will work for W)
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To: Trust but Verify
That's your opinion. And you are certainly entitled to it, inane as it is.

Thank you. That's mighty white of you.

RELAX! It's just a saying!

Hee hee heeeee.....I wonder if it is possible to give someone an aneurism?

71 posted on 09/14/2003 4:49:40 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: and the horse you rode in on
The results are important. Sometimes you don't have control over the result. As much as you try your kids could turn out to be drug addicted criminals. Intentionally depriving your child of something as important as a mother or father only hurts your chances of having a good and productive kid. It's like socialists, they have great intentions but they go about it all wrong and they need to realize that. These "parents" have great intentions but a child needs the love of a mother and father not 2 fathers or 2 mothers.
72 posted on 09/14/2003 4:53:50 PM PDT by bitcon
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To: Texas Eagle
I wonder if it is possible to give someone an aneurism?

You sure are filled with some hateful thoughts, aren't you? How Christian.

73 posted on 09/14/2003 4:56:17 PM PDT by Trust but Verify (Will work for W)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
One would think the fact they have to go to such extraordinary means to have a child would indicate tho them that their behavior is not natural.

Beyond that, there is something especially wrong with someone who intentionally deprives a child of a mother and a father.

74 posted on 09/14/2003 4:57:33 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat (Help us elect Republicans in Kentucky! Click on my name for links to all the 2003 candidates!)
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To: Trust but Verify
You sure are filled with some hateful thoughts, aren't you? How Christian.

LOL ! ! ! My, how I love thin-skinned people.

75 posted on 09/14/2003 5:00:18 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: Republican Wildcat
One would think the fact they have to go to such extraordinary means to have a child would indicate tho them that their behavior is not natural.

LOL ! ! ! I love it ! ! ! "Hey, man, I don't know why we can't get pregnant. Are you sure you're ovulating? Maybe if we tried a different position."

Weee hee hee hee heeeeeeeeeee!

76 posted on 09/14/2003 5:04:44 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: Texas Eagle
Everything you've posted is LOL! A regular comedian you are. BTW, it's aneurysm.
77 posted on 09/14/2003 5:07:38 PM PDT by Trust but Verify (Will work for W)
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To: Trust but Verify
Everything you've posted is LOL! A regular comedian you are.

Hey, what can I say? Unlike some people (I won't mention any names), I didn't have my funny bone violently sucked out moments before registering on FR.

BTW, it's aneurysm.

Oh, yeah. My bad.

78 posted on 09/14/2003 5:25:13 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: ChemistCat
Some straight parents may "get it so horribly wrong," but ALL gay parents are raising a child in an unhealthy, immoral and destructive environment.

Gay adoption is child abuse, sanctioned by the state.

79 posted on 09/14/2003 5:46:40 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: bitcon
Unless of course the second mother and father are loving step parents.
80 posted on 09/14/2003 5:46:55 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Picture nine Dumbocrat Clowndidates exiting a Yugo clown car, as another arrives by broom.)
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