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Gay dads want their son to grow up straight
The Sun-Herald, Sydney, Australia ^ | September 14, 2003 | By Candace Sutton and Larry Schwartz

Posted on 09/14/2003 2:54:25 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie

Two men and a baby... Tony Wood and Lee Matthews playing with baby Alexander.

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An extraordinary documentary about how two gay men flew to America and hired a surrogate mother to have a son is set to rekindle the debate about what constitutes an Australian family.

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In the US they call it the "gayby boom".

In Australia, where laws vary, it is still the centre of emotional and ethical controversy.

Tony Wood, 40, and Lee Matthews, 34, are an upper-middle-class professional couple who decided five years ago they wanted to be parents.

The men each donated their sperm to fertilise eggs donated by a young American woman they chose after studying a catalogue in a process "very cut and dried, like retail shopping".

The resulting embryos were then impregnated into another American woman, who gave birth to a 2.8 kilogram boy, Alexander, in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, last December.

In a process which is banned in most countries around the world, the men used a California-based surrogacy and egg donation firm, Growing Generations, which is dedicated to the gay and lesbian community. The firm's website says it has assisted with the birth of at least 196 babies in cases from around the world.

There is no law prohibiting surrogacy in NSW (New South Wales, Australia’s most populous State.) But no contract between parties to undergo surrogacy would be recognised in the courts and the legal status and the nationality of a child born overseas would be under question.

The Melbourne couple brought Alexander back to Australia and now plan to raise the boy, who Mr Matthews said he hoped would grow up "straight" rather than gay, in a two-father family.

Despite the fact that the woman who carried Alexander, Junoa, is flying to Australia in December for his first birthday, Mr Wood and Mr Matthews do not consider her the boy's mother.

"She is not actually the mother . . . at the end of the day you have two dads, you don't have a mum," Mr Matthews said.

The men, who have been a couple for 14 years, initially encountered some "vehement" opposition from within the gay community to their plans to parent.

But they said increasing numbers of gay couples, particularly lesbians, were opting for parenthood.

"We believe our family is entitled to the same recognition as other families," Mr Wood said.

The men's story is expected to stir up a controversy when it airs as an SBS (government-funded, left-leaning TV network) documentary, Man-Made: The Story Of Two Men And A Baby, on September 30.

Community division on the subject of gay unions was highlighted by Prime Minister John Howard's recent comment that "if the same status is given in our society to gay unions as is given to traditional marriage, we will weaken that bedrock institution".

A spokesman for the Catholic Church said yesterday gay male parents were denying a child its natural right "to the love and nurture of a mother".

"With stolen children (children allegedly taken by Australian government authorities from their aboriginal parents, earlier this century), adoptions and all those things of the past 40 years, we have seen the problems that come with family situations than couldn't be avoided.

"What are we creating with these children? This is a case of adults fulfilling their own desires, but it is the children who suffer."

Bill Muehlenberg, vice-president of the Australian Family Association, said one of several concerns was "the commodification of children, the idea of baby-buying and all that goes with it". He said surrogacy, "with or without homosexual couples", was problematic.

"We may be placating the whims and fancies of adults but too often the very real interests of children are being overlooked in the debate," he said.

But Dr Justin Oakley, director of Monash University's Centre for Human Bioethics, said: "I don't see there's any particular problem with it and I think it's a shame [Mr Matthews and Mr Wood] have had to resort to such means in order to become parents or to become fathers."

Mr Matthews said he believed he and his partner had become parents "for all the right reasons . . . because we thought we could offer . . . a nurturing, protective and supportive environment.

"Parenthood isn't right for everyone. There's a huge lobby that sees surrogacy, and surrogacy in particular for same sex couples, as devil worship."

Mr Wood said they went through with it "because we love kids and thought we'd get a lot out of it ourselves and . . . hasn't it turned out better than you could have imagined".

"We have the perfect child. Every parent probably says that.

"He's an absolute delight, just amazing and he's got the most wonderful nature."

The couple said yesterday they were not necessarily advocating surrogacy and costs would be prohibitive to many gay couples.

Mr Matthews said he knew of "a handful of gay men" in Australia with their own babies. It had become far more common in the US.

In the documentary film, William Halms, of Growing Generations, says costs are so high he calls his own three children who were born in the program, "$75,000 babies". A first- time surrogate mother is paid $US20,000 ($30,130), a second-time one is paid $US25,000 and so on.

Egg donors, mostly college students, received an average $US5000, he said.

Mr Matthews and Mr Wood declined to reveal how much they had spent. The St Kilda men have maintained frequent email, mail and telephone communication with the surrogate mother.

Junoa, herself a mother of two, says in the documentary that she had long wanted to be a surrogate mother.

"I wanted to give someone who really wanted children the chance to parent," she says.

"To imagine not being able to have children destroys me."

After the birth, she says the process has left her with "a little fear, a little heartbreak, but a lot of pride".

"I thought, 'him leaving is going to break my heart', but then I am so proud his daddies will get to take care of him and raise him," she says.

But nevertheless she looks wistful and depressed before parting with the child.

Mr Matthews and Mr Wood have not ruled out having more children.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: austrailia; catholiclist; childhood; documentary; fatherhood; homosexualadoption; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; males; prisoners; surrogates
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To: ChemistCat
it's human nature to hold tighter to your sin rather than give it up because some other PERSON told you to.

I agree wholeheartedly!


It's the Spirit that convicts of sin.
(We don't have to say ANYTHING about their sin, the Devil is already doing a DANDY job, convincing them that GOD is out to get them!!)
141 posted on 09/15/2003 4:49:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: merry10
The ONLY thing I don't like about FR is gay bashing.

Can we bash THIEVES and GREEDY people with impunity then??

142 posted on 09/15/2003 4:50:56 PM PDT by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: John O
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Amen!


143 posted on 09/15/2003 4:54:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: I got the rope
Very late in my post, but good morning to Glory anyway. My post #88 concerning tendency (understatement) of homosexuals to molest was challenged. I an indebted to you and to #118 EdReform, for your scolarly research. This is far better than I could have done, given the time frame.

I would like to remark for all concerned about the hoary old smear of homophobe. Yes, it probably still carries some weight of intimidation. The fact that it was only sparsely used on this thread, might prove it's malignancy is fading.

I do not give a care what these two men do. I would not even give them a glance, even if they held hands in public. Hurt that child and I hope they suffer- in the worst way. Ironically prison only gives the homosexual the ONE punishment- lack of freedom, not that of normal relationships. Just a little homily from me, on this very free wheeling and democratic media- FR.

144 posted on 09/15/2003 9:44:18 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: merry10
He had a lot of STYLE when they were done with him.

I have two sons. I hope I've raised them to fear God and no man.

That's STYLE.

145 posted on 09/15/2003 9:57:48 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: jimt
ChemistCat is a she.

My apologies. I should've checked between her legs.

146 posted on 09/15/2003 10:12:02 PM PDT by Texas Eagle
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
STYLE is as STYLE does. What will you do if one of them comes home and says "Dad, I'm gay?" No matter how you raise them you never know.
147 posted on 09/15/2003 10:45:27 PM PDT by merry10
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To: Peter Libra
Hurt that child and I hope they suffer- in the worst way. Ironically prison only gives the homosexual the ONE punishment- lack of freedom, not that of normal relationships. And on that we agree.
148 posted on 09/15/2003 10:47:52 PM PDT by merry10
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To: Elsie
Well, the only group of people who are frequently bashed are gay. We get lots of responses to gay posts and crimes get a few...unless it is Lacy Peterson.
149 posted on 09/15/2003 10:49:27 PM PDT by merry10
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To: merry10
What will you do if one of them comes home and says "Dad, I'm gay?"

Simple: just reply that the Devil is LYING to him about 'being' gay.


He may have had a 'gay' experience, and it FELT good, but assure him that does not MAKE him gay!

He can have FEEL goods with girls as well.


If he CHOOSES the orientation he finally goes, based on FEELINGS, instead of a RATIONAL judgement........
150 posted on 09/15/2003 11:03:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: merry10
Contrary to Oprah and HBO, parents actually can be sure their kids do not become gay.

It takes constant supervision, loving instruction, a religious foundation, joy in their existence, and lots and lots of time.

Homosexuality is the result of a conflicted gender identity due to sexual abuse before puberty, thus making the switch from same-sex to opposite-sex attraction difficult.

Or you can give your kid over to some baby-sitter, hire a tutor when they struggle in school, foist them off on someone else for their recreation, and make sure they observe your appreciation of "Queer Eye."

They'll soon be ripe for some pervert's attention.

151 posted on 09/15/2003 11:09:33 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: merry10
STYLE is as STYLE does. What will you do if one of them comes home and says "Dad, I'm gay?" No matter how you raise them you never know

Of course you do. The practice of homosexual behavior is ALWAYS a chosen behavior. Take away the reasons for the choice and the whole issue goes away.

(The first law of homosexuality: 'Homosexuals' don't reproduce, they recruit.)

Seven Steps to Recruit proof your Child

The above link will prove very useful to you. I'd suggest reading it, your daughters may still be able to be recruit proofed.

All male 'homosexuals' share one or more of three common causes, being molested, having an absent or insufficient relationship with their father or being relentlessly teased by their peers while in their formative years. Eliminate the causes and you elininate the disease

(I believe that female 'homosexuals' deal with many of the same issues (especially molestation) but since the numbers of lesbians are so few the studies just haven't been done (or at least haven't crossed my path yet))

Unfortunately the child in this article will have to overcome all three of those issues in order to have a normal life. Of course reparative therapy will still be able to cuure him but it's far better not to be exposed to the disease in the first place.

(The third law of homosexuality: Any exposure of children to homosexual behavior is child abuse)

152 posted on 09/16/2003 5:15:47 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
They want him to be straight? They're sure setting a fine example.
153 posted on 09/16/2003 11:28:38 AM PDT by Tabi Katz
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To: Hildy
What's frightening, is that in this day and age, you can still purchase a human being.
154 posted on 09/17/2003 11:03:30 PM PDT by lara
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To: John O
Bump
155 posted on 09/20/2003 8:35:09 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: EdReform
indexing...
156 posted on 09/20/2003 1:28:34 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: Tabi Katz
They want him to be straight? They're sure setting a fine example.

Well at least the "parents" won't have to compete with their kid for the same guys when the kid grows up.

157 posted on 09/20/2003 1:32:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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