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Arnold Schwarzenegger is a Social Conservative
Intellectual Conservative ^ | September 12, 2003 | Bruce Walker

Posted on 09/12/2003 12:19:04 PM PDT by EllaMinnow

Social conservatism means a serious fidelity to those beliefs and traditions which keep us civilized and decent.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a social conservative, despite much rhetoric to the contrary. Social conservatism means a serious fidelity to those beliefs and traditions which keep us civilized and decent without resort to laws, regulations and bureaucrats.

Social conservatism is a respect for tradition and for values which have withstood the test of time. Chinese family members who respect and support one another, even at the cost of personal wishes, are social conservatives whatever their metaphysical beliefs.

This definition of social conservatism as a matter of example rather than profession does not mean we agree on every detail of moral behavior. It means instead that we root ourselves in something permanent, dignified and civic. Even eccentricity can be socially conservative. British and American peoples are famous for producing men who, for want of a better term, are cranks. That is very much a part of the culture of these two nations.

At the heart of social conservatism is fidelity. Often men who are social conservatives are ideologically left of center. Jimmy Carter is a good example. By all appearances, Carter took his marital vows seriously and his religious faith seriously. He stopped serving hard liquor at White House dinners.

That did not prevent Carter from being a petty, spiteful and almost insufferable boor. And it certainly did not prevent Carter from being wrong on almost every issue. But it does mean that Jimmy Carter was a social conservative.

Joe Lieberman is also a social conservative, even if he supports terrible policies. Every indication is that Lieberman is a religiously serious Orthodox Jew. It is impossible to imagine Joe munching a bacon cheeseburger on Kol Nidre. Bill Bradley is another social conservative who loves his wife, gained his wealth and fame through guts and hard work, and sincerely believes in all the bad ideas he proposes.

The beauty of America, of course, is that social conservatism does not require being correct as much as being sincere. It does not require conformity to a particular catechism so much as it means conformity to some catechism. The bewildering variety of religions, sects, and societies in American life is a testament to Americans respecting in social life the same freedom to be wrong that we respect in our economic life. Indeed, social conservatism is another form of market choice which helps, through competition, to elevate cultures and traditions within America.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is made of the "right stuff.” There is no odor of phoniness about him. He loves his wife and family. He worked his way to the top with sweat and diligence. He resembles a number of other social conservative Republicans around President Bush who are not generally recognized as social conservatives.

Who? How about Colin Powell? He turned down the Presidency itself in 1996 out of respect for his wife and family. Does anyone question that what Powell believes, he believes sincerely? How about Tom Ridge, who was too liberal to be the running mate in 2000, but who putters around his home for recreation and grew up in the Marine Corps.

Tony Blair and Rudy Giuliani are social conservatives who we seldom see as social conservatives. Both these heroic figures do what they do publicly and because they believe it is right. Thank goodness both are on our side now--social conservatives dig their heels in very deeply!--but even when Giuliani supports abortion or Powell supports affirmative action, they can do so looking you straight in the eye with a polygraph examiner unable to detect a hint of spin in their answers.

This type of social conservative--guys doing what they think is right because they think it is right--is precisely the sort of man that President Bush has shown incredible skill in using to make America better. Our Texan President, our proudly Cowboy President, does not demand that anyone agree with him on every issue. In fact, such silly boys can be skimmed off the corporate boards of a hundred big companies.

He wants people who are true to themselves. He wants, and we should want, real social conservatives. Rabbis who read Torah as if it were holy writ. Priests who take their vows seriously. Men who honor their parents and are faithful to their wives. Men like Arnold Schwarzenegger or Ronald Reagan or John Wayne, who will fight for what they think is right.

When Governor Schwarzenegger takes office, President Bush will find honor more valuable than agreement and grit more important than obedience. It will be a winning team, perhaps a team that can transform America.


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To: redlipstick
Arnold Schwarzenegger is a Social Conservative

Brought to you by the people who see 2 political forces in this country..."The Far Right Wing fanatics" and "The level headed Centrists"!

522 posted on 09/12/2003 9:13:51 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Kevin Curry
The Arnold supporters have wholly alienated the rest of us.

Yep - I may not often see things the same way you do, but on this we're in complete agreement. They're long on vitriol and redefinition, but short on facts and ideas.

If Arnold refuses to discuss policy or debate the other candidates, California voters may soon come to the same conclusion regarding his lack of firm ideas.

523 posted on 09/12/2003 9:21:56 PM PDT by NittanyLion (Go Tom Go!)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
Amen!
524 posted on 09/12/2003 9:27:17 PM PDT by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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To: NittanyLion
The Arnold supporters have wholly alienated the rest of us.

It does appear that the party in CA has been fractioned by 2. One part voting what is right and conservative and one part that votes to win. Sadly the part voting to win is falling prey to the media and their "liberal" backers.

I am surprised that Cruz is even in the race, for I recall T. MaCauliff saying that they are 100% for Gray and will support him and no other candidate.

Gees, I find it amazing that anyone could keep on track and put faith in anyone instead of focusing on political dogma and forgeting about the person in running.

525 posted on 09/12/2003 9:36:36 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: PhilDragoo
"This thread is nothing more than tires spinning in mud."

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Only "this" thread? LOL

526 posted on 09/12/2003 9:51:17 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
>> Oh.. and what do you think of President Bush 41? He just donated to Schwarzeneggers campaign. <<

BUSH #41: "No new taxes" (unless this slogan works and I get elected!)

ARINOLD #0: "No new taxes" (unless this slogan works I get elected!)

Great minds think alike.

527 posted on 09/12/2003 10:07:24 PM PDT by BillyBoy (George Ryan deserves a long term....without parole.)
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To: Tempest
Actually, back in the REAL WORLD, Jesse Jack@$$ was very pleased when the "pragmatic Republicans" got THEIR way and installed a RINO in office. He was pushing for the "tolerant, inclusive" RINO, not the eeeeeeevil conservative "splitting" the vote with the RINO. Ever wonder why Rainbow-PUSH's funding was NEVER investigated during all those years of a "Republican" governor in Illinois? Well, gee whiz, turns out the RINO they elected was BUDDIES with Jesse and not only order the Illinois A.G. NOT to investigate Jesse, but even HIRED Jesse as the spokesman for "Kidcare". Isn't that nice?

JESSE JACK@$$ THANKS THE 'PRAGMATIC' REPUBLICANS FOR ELECTING RINOS THAT WILL COVER HIS @$$


REVEREND JESSE JACKSON HONORS GOVERNOR GEORGE RYAN (RINO-IL) AT ANNUAL CONVENTION

ELECT MORE RINOS!!! WITH YOUR HELP, MAYBE JESSE CAN OPEN UP A NEW OFFICE IN SACRAMENTO!

528 posted on 09/12/2003 10:21:43 PM PDT by BillyBoy (George Ryan deserves a long term....without parole.)
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To: JesusIsLord
Jesus said: "be smart as a serpent and peaceful as a dove" don't waste your vote. Be a good steward and cast your vote for Arnold. PRAY, and Fast and listing to HIM.
LILY 4 Jesus (A latina)
529 posted on 09/12/2003 10:35:46 PM PDT by AgThorn (Go go Bush!!)
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To: BillyBoy
Oh come now. What type of investigation are you refering to. Tell me and I'll tell you wether or not the governor of the state should have actually called for such an investigation.

I also have news for you. I highly doubt that someone that squares away with your conservative view. Yes McClintock included would actually call for and ENFORCE his call for an investigation of a high profile minority organization. It'd be politcal suicide.

Next example please.
530 posted on 09/12/2003 10:52:12 PM PDT by Tempest (Anyone who accepts the LA Times as the truth has no business calling anyone a RINO)
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To: BillyBoy
What an ignorant response. So, do you think President Bush's raising taxes should have cost him his re-election? Do you think once he made that statement, that there was NEVER a situation where he should EVER have raised them?

That is why I don't think a politician should ever make a carte blanche statement like that. Never say NEVER.

Mr. Schwarzenegger is extremely wise and prudent to not say NEVER. He hasn't. Yet you find fault in that. Now that is rich.

He has said he has no intention to raise taxes. But he has also prefaced it with you cannot account for a serious act of terrorism. A 9-11 situation. How stupid would it be of him to say NEVER like President Bush did? So someone like YOU and what you just said could come back to bite him.

ROFLOL.

You guys just crack me up. Talk about being hypocrites. You can't have it ALL WAYS guys. Common sense dictates that serious situations can happen. Most of us allow for that. You know good and well that Schwazenegger is a fiscal conservative. So quit already.
531 posted on 09/12/2003 11:25:25 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife (CNN: Where " WE report what WE decide!!")
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
You know good and well that Schwazenegger is a fiscal conservative.

Aw jeez... Not until I hear it from Baghdad Bob will I ever believe it!!

[...]

Believe it!

532 posted on 09/12/2003 11:53:10 PM PDT by SteveH (I presume it's too late to DRAFT TED NUGENT?)
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To: SteveH
Yawn... I've only seen this graphic and read these words about 300 times in this past week (boring)... (hitting the snooze button). Get a new graphic and a new line will you?
533 posted on 09/13/2003 12:14:12 AM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife (CNN: Where " WE report what WE decide!!")
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
If Schwarzenegger is "extremely wise and prudent" how come he can't deal with an elected representative from his own party in public debate?

You can't have it both ways... (Arnold! needs more time to prepare... Arnold! is too busy taking his message to the people... Arnold! is really, really smart...) I have yet to hear any excuse that passes the kindergarten reasoning test from Arnold! supporters why Arnold! can't seem to find time to debate Tom...

Face it, Arnold! is not ready for prime time and y'all doggone well know it, cause you're all beating around the bush and coming up with squat in terms of excuses.

536 posted on 09/13/2003 12:24:42 AM PDT by SteveH (I presume it's too late to DRAFT TED NUGENT?)
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To: CyberCowboy777
Don't talk about me behind my back again.
537 posted on 09/13/2003 12:24:43 AM PDT by strela (Does CA need a Governor who can't check a box properly, even after 25 years of practice?)
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To: PhilDragoo
We'll all be deeper in financial mud, spinning our wheels like crazy and just digging deeper, when we have an untested, political newbie governor pulled in 18 different directions by his blue-ribbon panels of out-of-state "experts".

And a guy who at this very moment can't find the time to talk to one of the foremost state government budget experts in his own party, at that.

539 posted on 09/13/2003 12:29:26 AM PDT by SteveH (I presume it's too late to DRAFT TED NUGENT?)
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To: ambrose
"Pitbulls are Dogs of Peace."
540 posted on 09/13/2003 12:30:34 AM PDT by 185JHP ( "This Train don't carry no scammers - no AlSharptons, no midnight ramblers - This Train.")
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