Posted on 09/10/2003 6:25:13 PM PDT by yonif
Edited on 04/22/2004 12:37:07 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
LOS ANGELES
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Oh, from your mouth to God's ear! I wish it were true, but California Republicans, especially conservatives with the exception of the Reagan years, have been cutting their noses to spite their faces for decades.
There are partisans both left and right in California, but the balance of power is held by the moderates. Those people are probably well to the left of most of us on social issues like abortion and gay rights, but with us on immigration and taxation. They're looking for political leadership, not more politicians. Always have, and they've always supported the candidate that appears (not necessary truthfully) to be less a "politician" and more straightforward. They want someone at least reasonably likeable, and the mean-spirited tone of conservative Republicans in California turns moderates off like a cold shower.
A lot of this is bound up in the cultural tension no one talks about between the big central Valleys and the coastal metropolises, the Northern California suspicion of the Southern part of the state's intentions, and some of it is even traceable to a wispy remnant of the hostility of the New England stock intellectuals and business class towards the self-made immigrants, both foreign (e.g. Italians, Armenians, orientals etc.) and domestic (i.e. the poor white stock immigrants who came in the 1930's and continued to come from the South during and after WWII).
Do you think that having a hissy fit over Bustamante will stave off the inevitable Latino majority in California? You had better learn social conservatism because the Latinos will not be interested in Muffy, Skipper, Mumsy, polo lessons or trust fund protection politics for a very long time to come.
In any event, you know that Arnold isn't goin to win. The divisions to prevent that are permanent.
The only thing Arnold is spoiling is the Patsies hope of redemption.
McC has lost and stands to lose much more. I hear WND is hiring.
Bookmarked for later self satisfaction bumping.
Leftists like Planned Barrenhood Wilson must not be allowed to hijack the recall. People can vote McClintock or someone like him now or later. Until they do, there is no relief. No conservative owes Arnold, Wilson or Buffett ANYTHING whatsoever.
Among alternatives are retaining Doofus (this may well happen in any event given California's propensity for voter fraud and the lazy refusal of the Thurston and Lovey Howell wing of the California GOP to do anything but buy TV ads) rahe than ruining the GOP. He is term limited and will utterly bankrupt the state. If Cruz Bustamante is elected, he will prove that no dimbulb Demonrat can govern California any better than Doofus.
If McClintock is elected, relief is immediate. If not, it is not far away in 2004 legislative elections and 2006 gubernatorial elections.
This is not Armageddon and Bustamante is not the Antichrist.
If Bustamante wins and McClintock's vote tally is greater than the margin between Schwarzenegger and Bustamante, then I will work to send McClintock back to the private sector in 2004. If Schwarzenegger winds up getting fewer votes than McClintock, then I will commute every weekend from San Diego to Thousand Oaks to ensure that little Tommy McNasty loses the State Senate primary. When someone deliberately splits the vote in apparent collusion with Bustamante, including receiving large amounts of campaign cash from tribal gaming interests who've already endorsed Bustamante, one is allowed to question the man's true motives, and reward him accordingly.
You know that Arnold will be finished if he does not win this year.
Of course. He's not a professional politician, living on the public's dime for 20 years.
Frankly, in 2006, he will be finished if he DOES win this year. So will California.
If he wins, you'd better pray you're right, because otherwise you're going to look really f***ing stupid.
Do you think that having a hissy fit over Bustamante will stave off the inevitable Latino majority in California?
No, it won't. But Bustamante would be a disaster for this state. Of course, since you live in Illinois, you don't have to suffer the consequences of electing him. Talk is cheap, son.
You had better learn social conservatism because the Latinos will not be interested in Muffy, Skipper, Mumsy, polo lessons or trust fund protection politics for a very long time to come.
Wow. Class-warfare rhetoric from McClintock supporters? They prefer that a Democrat win, they pray for unconstitutional judicial fiat to delay the election, and they now start spouting liberal we-hate-the-rich rhetoric. This does *not* make them sound like they're actually conservative.
In any event, you know that Arnold isn't goin to win. The divisions to prevent that are permanent.
When Illinois manages to actually elect a conservative, we'll take your silly opinions under advisement out here.
Republican Party at loss in California?...you're kidding right?
"Republican Party reputation"...since when do you care about it anyways?
The only thing you care about is YOU and your PRINCIPLES, based on your past postings.
How true that statement is PKM! The TommyMac bots are exactly like their counter parts in the Liberal corner. "You either do what we are telling you to do, or is no go", f&^k the party, it's ME, you need to pay attention to!
How does supporting a candidate like Arnold who is an apostate Catholic just like Bustamante and Doofus for supporting abortion and homosexuality square with Catholic doctrine like Evangelium Vitae? Is it like supporting gay rights? What happens if the Catholics return to take over the Fort Worth Chancery after Delaney is gone?
Bottom line: McClintock has to be the leading Republican on October 7th to get my vote. If he cannot achieve that, then I am not going to split the GOP vote and elect Bustamante.
If McClintock persists and splits the vote, then I will simply seek to pay him back in his own preferred coin. Why do you complain about me treating him in whatever way he decides to treats me?
Why don't you work like a maniac to get Tom elected?
Why the f*** should I have to work like a maniac for Tom, when he's showing no sign of working like a maniac himself? He's hoarding his tribal gaming money (that he got from Bustamante supporters) for another campaign down the road, instead of trying to win this one.
Why are you being influenced by the polls?
Because I am attempting to ensure that Bustamante is NOT elected governor.
How do you know they are the up and up?
Unless you subscribe to the theory of a Vast Austrian-Wing Conspiracy, Hillary, the polls that are usually accurate vis-a-vis election results are fairly consistent showing Arnold in the lead over McClintock.
How can anyone who claims to be a conservative vote for this guy? You people can no longer count on the so-called "base" to pull your RINO chestnuts out of the fire no matter how many names you call us.
You people can no longer count on the real base--the 90% of the GOP you insult, heckle, and spit on for not obeying every whim you get--to actually support anything you want, or to give a damn if you continually choose to get 0% of what you want instead of 50-90%. You want 0%? FINE! That's exactly what you'll get!
The party left us years ago.
Then you had BETTER pray that they never figure out a way to win and then succeed in governance without your fraction of the vote, because if they do, they are NOT coming back, and you're going to spend the next few decades getting nothing from either party.
You are new here. Refuse to be distracted by the liberal trolls. Keep after Job #1: stopping the left Demonrat hijack of the recall and the election and the party by Arnie who is no different from Cruz or Doofus on anything that matters.
Do NOT let the liberal trolls redefine this situation as though Arnie were somehow analogous to Dubya. Arnie is Weicker West or warmed over McGovern in GOP drag.
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