McClintock on H&C(Says He's Still In, Its Early, But Will Back Arnie if Otherwise Cruz Would Win)

hannity & combes | 9/10/03 | Me own ears

[fieldmarshaldj]

"Texas USED to be a RAT state---until Republican Bill Clements won the Governorship and became the FIRST Republican Governor of Texas in OVER 100 YEARS! Now, Texas is a REPUBLICAN state. Sometimes, it just takes TIME to get EVERYTHING we want!"

This is like comparing apples to oranges, though. The dynamics of CA and TX are quite different. If Clements had been an ultraliberal like Ah-nold, I can confidently assure you that the GOP would be as irrelevent in TX now as it is in Massachusetts.

[Tamzee]

(and kick it she did, beat his ass, took his gun and shot him 3 times with it).

I wanna be like HER when I grow up ;-)

[fabian]

Being pragmatic and taking part of the pie rather than none of it isn't the same as selling one's principles.

[ambrose]

Texas USED to be a RAT state---until Republican Bill Clements won the Governorship and became the FIRST Republican Governor of Texas in OVER 100 YEARS! Now, Texas is a REPUBLICAN state. Sometimes, it just takes TIME to get EVERYTHING we want!

And McClintock would be the FIRST Republican Governor of California in LESS than 5 YEARS!

[Tempest]

"And McClintock would be the FIRST Republican Governor of California in LESS than 5 YEARS!"

If it weren't for the stubborn fact that liberals out number conservatives in California. And that he has no mainstream support. Oh and that 2+2 still equals 4. Oh and that darn sky is still blue. Oh and he's still #3 in the polls. Oh and that he's scuttling his political career by insisting upon being a spoiler. Oh and,... darn it all. To many reasons why he's just can't win this time around.

Sorry Tom, not this time. But you're still young and if you play nice maybe next time.

[Reagan Man]

I thought you went to bed.

>>>I'm not going to debate with you, I've gone around in circles with you before.

This isn't about circles. This is about supporting the conservative movement in America today and the future of the GOP. The reason you're unwilling to debate, is because you know you can't win the debate on the issues. Not with a candidate so far left of center and not with a candidate who holds such liberal positions on so many critical issues.

>>>You are one of the folks that just brushes aside anything you don't like to hear and just keeps reiterating that Arnold is a "liberal".

No I'm not. I'm one of those folks who can't understand why you "Arnoldnauts" are so willing to surrender your principles for a candidate whose proven he's not a conservative. Hence my use of the term liberal, in referencing Arnold's basic politcal ideology.

>>>I can show you a quote where Arnold states clearly that he will tighten the borders to keep out illegals and you select group of folks just flatly insists you don't believe it.

Oh really. Well, here's what Arnold said tonight, when O'Reilly asked him a similiar question on militarizing the borders.

"O'REILLY: Would you be opposed to militarizing the border, putting the National Guard in California down there, to back up the border patrol? Would you be opposed to that?

SCHWARZENEGGER: Well, I'm not opposed to that, but I'd really have to check it out and really become much more an expert on how to protect the borders in order to make the -- to stop that from happening.

And this guy is running for the California governorship!That's not the answer of a conservative. Someone running for governor of California should have a better answer to the issue of illegal immigration.

>>>The bottom line is that CALIFORNIA has shown repeatedly in the past few elections that they WILL NOT VOTE in the majority for a 100% pro-gun, pro-life, anti-gay candidate.

Don't play games with me. You know very well, I was willing to give Arnold a pass on his social liberalism, but he had to prove he was a fiscal conservative. I'm still waiting. If that's what California really wants, then they can have a liberal governor, Bustamonte or Arnold.

>>>Educate the voters and increase our numbers of conservatives and THEN we can change the types of candidates we offer them. As a matter of fact, I think Arnold will also prove to be a leg up in that direction and make groups of new voters comfortable with voting Republican.

Educating the voters is fine. But California has been headed in the wrong direction for years. Arnold doesn't agree with the conservative agenda of the GOP. If he brings in voters to the Republican Party, they won't be conservative. This is pointless.

The GOP is the conservative party in America. Why do you want to see a liberal Republican elected governor of California?

[Reagan Man]

>>>Arnold was personable and had good answers.

Arnold was very stiff, he spoke in generalities and was obviously coached by his "political handlers". Arnold won't debate his opponents, but he will go on The Factor and let O'Reilly give him a softball interview. Pathetic!

[Quix]

I think he'd be a much safer bet in the Senate than as head of a State or anything else very large. I would not want him head of the Senate or any hazardous oversight committee.

There's just too many red flags about the persistent undercurrent from the nonverbal cues. Have seen enough of such political animals do enough damage.

Only his stated and seeming track record of values would make him kosher enough for me to accept into the Senate given the worrying nonverbals. A less conservative person would not make the grade . . . though I wonder . . . sometimes it's the "TRUE BELIEVERS" who are most rabid, irrational, narrow, rigid and megalomaniacal.

[Quix]

I WHOLESALE AGREE WITH YOU.

Curious goings on.

Sad as well.

Thanks,
D

[Tamzee]

No, I didn't say I was going to bed, I said I wasn't going to debate Arnold's positions with you. You want him to be a pure liberal so bad it hurts and I'm sorry you are suffering so much at everything conservative he DOES believe in.

I'm in very good company with those folks listed above and I'm sticking with it... and sticking by my principles which includes voting for the most conservative-leaning candidate the electorate will accept.

You and I disagree both about Arnold's conservative positions AND we disagree about political strategy. The end.

[ambrose]

I should add that your abortion talk is a strawman argument. Abortion isn't even really an issue in this campaign. The three big issues are:

1.taxes
2.spending
3.illegal immigration

Arnold is horrible on all 3 counts.

[Tamzee]

Thank you so much for all that... I really appreciate your experience in this area!

I'm going to be looking for you when it comes to future primaries, that type of insight and experience is invaluable :-) And can I Freepmail you when my daughters start dating??? LOL

His Senate run is a bridge to cross in the future, so I won't worry about it quite yet. I'm really curious what he's going to do when he loses this race, though, it might reveal a great deal more about his character, too.

Thanks again, you are most kind to share your perceptions :-)

[Reagan Man]

>>> ... I said I wasn't going to debate Arnold's positions with you.

I know. You'd lose. LOL Arnold's positions are indefensible, at least for a conservative Republican. If Arnold wins the recall election, California conservatism and the GOP are the real losers.

>>>I'm in very good company with those folks listed above ...

Supporting or voting for Arnold is bad judgment. Bad judgment doesn't make you a bad person, just a person who employs bad judgment.

The end.

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[Quix]

THANK YOU.

They are usually just that--my perceptions. I strongly encourage people to check it out with The Lord and their own horse sense.

I think a lot of people have such sensitivities. My just happen to have been tweaked up by my mother's relentless examples shoved down my throat; my PhD and The Lord's own training.

The boyfriend thing brought a smile. Chinese students would often bring me photos for such evaluations. They seemed to consistently indicate I was 80-100% accurate according to the people who knew the person in the photos best.

BTW, I'll FREEPMAIL you my email if you ever have a more serious concern you want prayer for or some such.

[SierraWasp]

"If Ahnold(or McClintock) can't win the race unless someone else drops out, that person deserved to lose anyway."

I don't really know why I keep lookin at these dumb threads, but once in awhile somebody interjects some genuine wisdom and you most certainly did with that astute comment!!! Bravo!!! Encore!!!

[Tamzee]

Wonderful and thank you! You are kind and generous and I've really enjoyed chatting :-)

[Tamzee]

Nope, you lose... but still get a consolation prize ;-)

[Concerned]

AMBROSE RESPONDED TO ME WITH: "And McClintock would be the FIRST Republican Governor of California in LESS than 5 YEARS!"

TEMPEST RESPONDED TO AMBROSE WITH: "If it weren't for the stubborn fact that liberals out number conservatives in California. And that he has no mainstream support. Oh and that 2+2 still equals 4. Oh and that darn sky is still blue. Oh and he's still #3 in the polls. Oh and that he's scuttling his political career by insisting upon being a spoiler. Oh and,... darn it all. To many reasons why he's just can't win this time around."

BINGO!!! As I said in an earlier post, this is essentially a GENERAL election. Now, is NOT the time for McClintock to stay in to prevent ANOTHER REPUBLICAN (even THOUGH he is a RINO) from winning the election.

Even THOUGH Arnold is a LIBERAL RINO REPUBLICAN, he is still "OFFICIALLY" a REPUBLICAN! And he DOES support Bush! Just having a REPUBLICAN (of ANY kind) as Governor---helps the overall REPUBLICAN national agenda.

Remember (1) LIBERAL RAT Patsy Mink from Hawaii who was artificially kept on life support just until after it was "too late" to remove her name from the ballot, (2) LIBERAL RAT Paul Wellstone who died in a plane crash and whose name was kept on the ballot just until after it was "too late" to remove his name from it, (3) REPUBLICAN Sonny Bono who allegedly "ran into a tree" on skis and whose WIFE replaced him, etc.?

As I recall, GOVERNORS played a part in who and/or how their replacements were made. If the Governor is of a certain Party, the Governor can/will choose HIS Party!

Even though he is a LIBERAL RINO, Arnold is still listed as a REPUBLICAN! And ARNOLD CAN WIN!!! McClintock CANNOT!

On a side note, the fact that Arnold is a SELF-MADE MULTI-MILLIONAIRE due to his SMART BUSINESS SAAVY, greatly eases my concern about him. He may just be the ONLY guy that could have ANY chance of getting California back in the black.

[Walkingfeather]

my point about the jury is you must convict on the evidense,did the state prove their case? in your heart you know the SOB is guilty but do you vote to convict even though you know the state didn't prove the case?