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The RIAA sees the face of evil, and it's a 12-year-old girl
The Register ^ | 09/09/2003 at 13:54 GMT | Ashlee Vance in Chicago

Posted on 09/09/2003 8:04:18 AM PDT by jgrubbs

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To: jgrubbs
F*** the RIAA!
41 posted on 09/09/2003 8:47:53 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: jgrubbs
OK, let's go directly to the source. This British article is terribly written.

MUSIC PIRATE

September 9, 2003 -- The music industry has turned its big legal guns on Internet music-swappers - including a 12-year-old Upper West Side girl who thought downloading songs was fun.

Brianna LaHara said she was frightened to learn she was among the hundreds of people sued yesterday by giant music companies in federal courts around the country.

"I got really scared. My stomach is all turning," Brianna said last night at the city Housing Authority apartment on West 84th Street where she lives with her mom and her 9-year-old brother.

"I thought it was OK to download music because my mom paid a service fee for it. Out of all people, why did they pick me?"

The Recording Industry Association of America - a music-industry lobbying group behind the lawsuits - couldn't answer that question.

"We are taking each individual on a case-by-case basis," said RIAA spokeswoman Amy Weiss.

Asked if the association knew Brianna was 12 when it decided to sue her, Weiss answered, "We don't have any personal information on any of the individuals."

Brianna's mom, Sylvia Torres, said the lawsuit was "a total shock."

"My daughter was on the verge of tears when she found out about this," Torres said.

The family signed up for the Kazaa music-swapping service three months ago, and paid a $29.99 service charge.

Usually, they listen to songs without recording them. "There's a lot of music there, but we just listen to it and let it go," Torres said.

When reporters visited Brianna's home last night, she was helping her brother with his homework.

Her mom said Brianna's an honors student at St. Gregory the Great, a Catholic school on West 90th Street.

Brianna was among 261 people sued for copying thousands of songs via popular Internet file-sharing software - and thousands more suits could be on the way.

"Nobody likes playing the heavy and having to resort to litigation," said Cary Sherman, the RIAA's president. "But when your product is being regularly stolen, there comes a time when you have to take appropriate action."

At the same time, the RIAA offered amnesty to file-swappers who come forward and agree to stop illegally downloading music over the Internet.

People who already have been sued are not eligible for amnesty.

Brianna and the others sued yesterday under federal copyright law could face penalties of up to $150,000 per song, but the RIAA has already settled some cases for as little as $3,000.

"It's not like we were doing anything illegal," said Torres. "This is a 12-year-old girl, for crying out loud."

Additional reporting by Tim Arango

42 posted on 09/09/2003 8:48:25 AM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: jjm2111
Seems to me her parents ought to be the ones served the supoena not her. They contributed to her evident delinquency.
43 posted on 09/09/2003 8:49:52 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Protagoras
So since she THOUGHT it was paid for, then it clearly isn't theft, right?
44 posted on 09/09/2003 8:49:56 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: cajungirl
I do not understand why so many FReepers side with the ugly, price-fixing, artist squeezing Recording Industry.

With regards to file sharing, the law IS ambiguous. If I copy my music and SELL them to others it is against the law, because I'm profiting from someone else's work (or at least someone else's copyright). But giving the copies away is not against the law. The fair use law is eventually going to fry the RIAA.

They could change with the times and profit from the change or they can play Gestapo. We all know which tack they're taking.
45 posted on 09/09/2003 8:55:45 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Thanks for posting the other article; it has much better information.
Usually, they listen to songs without recording them. "There's a lot of music there, but we just listen to it and let it go," Torres said. ...

"It's not like we were doing anything illegal," said Torres. "This is a 12-year-old girl, for crying out loud."

The kaaza fee allows them to listen to the songs online. As long as they did what they "usually" did (listening to the songs without recording them), they were complying with the law. But when they DOWNLOADED the songs, making an unpurchased copy, they violated the law. So Ms. Torres, I'm sorry but it is exactly like you were doing something illegal, regardless of the girl's age, for crying out loud.
46 posted on 09/09/2003 8:57:42 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Physicist
"So was her purpose education, or public service?"

Try not to shoot from the hip...

A 12 year old kid listening to music or sharing it with her friends could very well fit into "free use".

See below:

Sec. 107. - Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include -

(1)

the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

...Her use was clearly nonprofit, and to a kid, educational

(2)

the nature of the copyrighted work;

...work that is given away free on the radio

(3)

the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

...not downloading the whole work, just one song of an arangement

(4)

the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

...Since she would probably not be in a position to buy it, she did not effect the market

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors


So there!
47 posted on 09/09/2003 8:58:20 AM PDT by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: VRWCmember
So since she THOUGHT it was paid for, then it clearly isn't theft, right?

No since she is twelve and reasonable people can conclude that she would believe her mother when told it was paid for she should be left out of it altogether and if anyone is to be sued, let it be the adult responsible. And come to think of it, if you thought you paid for something and then found out you didn't, it's not theft, it's a MISTAKE.

My children never did it because I told them it was wrong. Alternately they would have happily downloaded with complete confidence if I told them it was paid for.

Perhaps your children, if you have any, wouldn't trust you.

48 posted on 09/09/2003 9:00:58 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: VRWCmember
See #47
49 posted on 09/09/2003 9:02:03 AM PDT by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: CGTRWK
The problem is that she is "sharing" music that does not belong to her. That is theft.

As for the wired generation, I fear that the Marxists in our schools have convinced these kids that anything is OK so long as it only hurts the "corporations"

50 posted on 09/09/2003 9:02:31 AM PDT by BenLurkin (Socialism is slavery)
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To: jjm2111
But giving the copies away is not against the law.

But swapping isn't giving. It's value for value trading. It is precisely like selling them.

51 posted on 09/09/2003 9:03:10 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: jjm2111
If I copy my music and SELL them to others it is against the law, because I'm profiting from someone else's work (or at least someone else's copyright). But giving the copies away is not against the law.

If you give the copies away, then people have copies of the music that were not paid for. Take your argument one step further: Don't even buy the music in the first place; check it out from the library and make your copies; then you don't have to pay for your music and neither do your friends. It really isn't that ambiguous -- it is simply stealing.

52 posted on 09/09/2003 9:06:00 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Skooz
Many paths indeed!

Cue echo chamber:

"Mwa-hooa-ha-ha-ha!"

53 posted on 09/09/2003 9:06:34 AM PDT by BenLurkin (Socialism is slavery)
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To: babygene
...Her use was clearly nonprofit, and to a kid, educational

So you really believe this was for education and not for entertainment? It really must have galled her to do that much homework.

54 posted on 09/09/2003 9:11:07 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: jgrubbs
According to the RIAA news release, people who were going to be sued were sent "cease and desist" letters in June and continued to download and share despite the warnings. They also said that they were targeting the worst offenders. Apparently this little girl wasn't just downloading a couple of songs. Her computer terminal was set up to allow sharing by other people who were in turn sharing "substantial amounts of copyrighted music".
55 posted on 09/09/2003 9:12:11 AM PDT by mbynack
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To: babygene
Since she would probably not be in a position to buy it, she did not effect the market

But she was distributing the files to people who likely were in a position to buy it. She undoubtedly did affect the market.

56 posted on 09/09/2003 9:14:09 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: GunnyHartman
She's not nearly so cute:
57 posted on 09/09/2003 9:15:36 AM PDT by BenLurkin (Socialism is slavery)
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To: Protagoras
But swapping isn't giving. It's value for value trading. It is precisely like selling them.

Your analogy would apply if it were actually swapping; but it's not. For example, if you buy George Strait's latest CD, and I buy James Taylor's latest CD, and we swap them, then I will have George Strait's cd and you will have James Taylor's cd, and both cd's were legally purchased (i.e. paid for). That would be a true swap.

But if I make a copy of James Taylor's cd and you make a copy of George Strait's cd and we swap those copies, now you have George Strait's and James Taylor's cd's and I also have George Strait's and James Taylor's cd's, but each of us only paid for one cd. James and George each have been denied their rightful royalties for their work. The fact that each of them are wealthy and won't miss the royalty from the measley one CD that we stole from them is completely irrelevant.

58 posted on 09/09/2003 9:17:11 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: VRWCmember
You missed the point. I was addressing a particular posters comment. Go back and read it if you want a proper context.
59 posted on 09/09/2003 9:20:01 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: VRWCmember
"Don't even buy the music in the first place; check it out from the library and make your copies; then you don't have to pay for your music and neither do your friends. It really isn't that ambiguous -- it is simply stealing."

Whether file-sharing is morally right or not is irrelevant to my point. The LAW is ambiguous.

60 posted on 09/09/2003 9:21:30 AM PDT by jjm2111
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