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Calif: Worst Laws I Have Ever Seen - What You Should Have Been Watching Instead of Boring Debate
JillStewart.net ^ | September 4, 2003 | Jill Stewart

Posted on 09/06/2003 1:29:45 PM PDT by John Jorsett

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To: South40
The question is how many illegal voters is Bustamente going to use to win? Any talk of watching the voting places?
21 posted on 09/06/2003 2:45:39 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: FITZ
Amnesty for Mexican prisoners!!

I love it.
22 posted on 09/06/2003 2:47:59 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (`)
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In the city where i work, 80% of Mexicans work off the books.

Its a town of 60,000 with no major corporations.
23 posted on 09/06/2003 2:52:00 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (`)
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To: unixfox
Great! thanks! what did you do?
24 posted on 09/06/2003 3:00:24 PM PDT by Burlem
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To: Timesink
But if the recall fails or "N*****" Bustamante wins, I think the game is over, and the best thing for you and your family will be to move elsewhere until after the inevitable collapse of the state and its equally inevitable rebuilding

There's another strategy that some have started using: appear to live elsewhere. I know of someone who set herself up as a Nevada resident - car registration, voting, etc. She actually spends most of her time in California, but she doesn't pay state income tax nor the recently boosted vehicle license fee. It's not a walk in the park - she doesn't dare use her credit cards in California, for example - but it's an approach that looks more and more attractive. Myself, I might check out what it would take to become a virtual resident of Mexico.

25 posted on 09/06/2003 3:12:06 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett
Dan Burton isn't just a liberal, he's a flaming liberal. What is needed to balance things out is a flaming conservative in the state senate. Absent that and a conservative governor, this state is screwed.

As to Indian burial grounds, when did they stop frying loved ones on a rack? I'd like to see the shovels used, if they did bury their kin. Dotting the landscape with dead bodies hardly equates to what is commonly referred to as a 'cemetary'.

They'd better revisit the term 'sacred', as their hold on a gambling monopoly in this state will surely get them a visit from the liberal 'revenuers' at some point, forked tongues and all, as the socialist utpoia doesn't come cheap.

26 posted on 09/06/2003 3:13:40 PM PDT by budwiesest (Gladly: The cross-eyed bear.)
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To: John Jorsett
that illegal immigrants pour $1,400 more into California's economy than they get back

So they earn $20,000, pay no taxes, spend $15k to live, receive $13.6K in aid (Net $1400 into economy) and send $5k to Mexico. Oh yeah, they are just pouring money into the California economy.

27 posted on 09/06/2003 3:18:27 PM PDT by evolved_rage (Davis is a POS!)
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To: budwiesest
Outside of the driver's licenses for illegals, that Indian proposal is the most dangerous one I've ever seen. Anyone wanting to build anything anywhere is going to be shaken down by the tribes. You want a hotel? Then you're going to have to build a new cultural center for the Sycuan. Golf course? Barona needs an administration building. It'll make the California legislature look downright honest by comparison.
28 posted on 09/06/2003 3:20:49 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: South40
Are you saying those 11 million conservative Republicans are getting what they deserve?

No. Not any more than I, as one of 3 million conservative New Yorkers got what we deserved. We were simply outnumbered by wimpering Liberals, both the Republican and Democrat kind.

What have they done, other than try and overcome the rampant puke liberalism that infests the state?

Probably the same I did. I gave money, I campaigned for the best people, I wrote letters, I worked in the Party organization, I ran for office myself. But, in the end I moved to a more conservative state. There is now less wear and tear on the wallet and psyche.

However, "moving" is not always the same as "escaping". The same pathology is slowly moving here, so the struggle goes on. However, nowadays I spend more money on gun oil and sincerely hope it is ultimately only for fun.

29 posted on 09/06/2003 3:21:24 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: John Jorsett
California polititians are doing everything they can to bankrupt California.
California voters keep believing the polititians are honest.
None of them are honest.
None of the candidates, running for Governer, will be able to fix California, even if they truly wanted to.
30 posted on 09/06/2003 3:35:17 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: budwiesest
I don't think you mean Dan Burton, he is a very conservative senator in the Federal Congress.
John Burton is the flaming liberal senator from San Francisco
31 posted on 09/06/2003 4:07:09 PM PDT by Burlem
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To: John Jorsett
Anyone wanting to build anything anywhere is going to be shaken down by the tribes.

Very true. What's insane is that they owe whatever prosperity they now enjoy to 'developement', casinoes in particular. Those who want to continue to play the race card will one day wish they hadn't.

32 posted on 09/06/2003 4:11:35 PM PDT by budwiesest (Gladly: The cross-eyed bear.)
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To: FITZ
My numbers are a little old, but DEA estimates about $4 billion per year.
33 posted on 09/06/2003 4:13:34 PM PDT by SSN558 (Be on the lookout for Black White-Supremacists)
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To: John Jorsett
Anyone wanting to build anything anywhere is going to be shaken down by the tribes.

Alternatively, this could result in a drop in demand for property and improvements (new stuff). A freeze on new development will drive up demand for existing stuff. More improvement in existing property values. Higher property tax revenues from the population that chooses to hang around.

34 posted on 09/06/2003 4:34:25 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: South40
Approximately 11 million of California's 30+ million population are conservative Republicans.

Are you saying those 11 million conservative Republicans are getting what they deserve?

Actually they are getting what they deserve. To round off numbers, let's say that CA has 30 million. The Conservatives need to attract 15 million + 1 to the polls on election day. That means that they have to find a way to get 4+ million non-Conservatives to get out to the polls and vote with them.

But all I read are rants about how "Conservatives should stick to their principles", usually in connection with some issue, like abortion, which isn't even under state control.

It's going to take a heck of a lot longer to get a majority of conservatives in the state (esp. since the laws encourage most of them to leave) than it would take to set priorities (like fiscal restraint and pro-business rregulations) and start on the path to conservative gov't.

People who insist on all or nothing most often wind up with nothing.

35 posted on 09/06/2003 4:59:46 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: speekinout
Actually, they/we are not getting what we deserve.

Republicans are the minority in the lib-controlled state of California. The "all or nothing" crowd you refer to (11% at last count) are minorities as well.

And, sure, *some* are willing to vote for mcclintock even though THEY KNOW HE STANDS ZERO chance of getting elected because, hey...they've got principles!

It's just too bad for the rest of us they have no sense.

We don't deserve the ramifications of THEIR stupidity.

36 posted on 09/06/2003 5:45:52 PM PDT by South40
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To: South40
And, sure, *some* are willing to vote for mcclintock even though THEY KNOW HE STANDS ZERO chance of getting elected because, hey...they've got principles!

It's just too bad for the rest of us they have no sense.

Yes. It's so frustrating that people will vote for some obscure principle instead of a sure improvement in status. Arnold could win, and he has a good chance of improving the financial status of CA. Why isn't that good enough?

37 posted on 09/06/2003 9:19:10 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: South40
Approximately 11 million of California's 30+ million population are conservative Republicans.

In California, polls taken just days before the election showed an unprecedented number of voters unwilling to choose either Democrat Gray Davis or Republican Bill Simon as the state's next governor. In the end, only about 30 percent of the state's 21.7 million eligible voters even bothered to go to the polls.

Proof that if conservatives want to they can take their state back.

38 posted on 09/06/2003 11:25:54 PM PDT by Nephi (Compassionate conservativism: Sure it's socialism, but what are you gonna do, vote for Nikita Dean?)
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To: John Jorsett
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39 posted on 09/07/2003 9:20:22 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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