NBC's Law & Order: Anti-White Propaganda in the Culture War

Middle American News/A Different Drummer ^ | 7 September 2003 | Nicholas Stix

[BeAllYouCanBe]

"When I watch the mainstream media(news or entertainment) I go into it assuming I'm going to see some bias."

You say this matter-of-factly, while it is true, do we have to put up with it? Some of us are older and remember when the assult of the left started and thought it would pass.

It has ben mentioned in this thread earlier that some people aren't as perseptive as you knowing its biased and accept this garbage as the truth!

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NYPD Blue was always the better show. The "relationships" and "personal life" side of it has gotten pretty hokey (just repeating the same neurotic patterns over and over again with new -- or the same actors), but the crime side is more realistic, more varied and livelier. Plus, they solve two crimes instead of one (though they leave out all the courtroom stuff, which may be a plus or a minus). Stix doesn't deal with the real questions: How did "Law and Order" get to be such a "chick" show? How'd Wolf manage to make a cop show that guys can't stand?

[handk]

"FYI"

OPERATOR: Hello?

MRUSTOW: Yeah, what's the number for 9-1-1?

[mrustow]

"A few years ago, JAG, got really PC."

It is interesting that almost all military dramas have to end in a court room. Military action is almost always a crime!

My understanding of the criminalization of military action in entertainment, is because of not only Hollywood leftwing politics, but because so few Americans under the age of 50 have any military experience.

This ain't really new though; when I got home from Vietnam TV had 3-4 programs a week where "crazed vets" went psycho and went on a killing spree. I remember the TV series Manix had 1/2 the episodes on psycho vets and my family really expected me to go haywire.

My point here is that hollywierd does have power to shape opinion just ask and Vietnam vet!!

The demonization of the Vietnam vet was a tagteam job. Hollywood wouldn't have been half so effective, if not for Uncle Walter and his comrades in the "news" business.

[rockfish59]

He's a riot!

[mrustow]

Interesting date 1964, that was the beginning of the hatred of our military by the left wing now in control of the Rat party and media.

It sure was an interesting year! Hadn't noticed that connection til you pointed it out.

[rockfish59]

I remember in Platoon the part where Oliver Stone was in a tent that got hit with a mortar or rocket!

We should all be so lucky!

[rockfish59]

They're BAAAaack!

[mrustow]

NYPD Blue was always the better show. The "relationships" and "personal life" side of it has gotten pretty hokey (just repeating the same neurotic patterns over and over again with new -- or the same actors), but the crime side is more realistic, more varied and livelier. Plus, they solve two crimes instead of one (though they leave out all the courtroom stuff, which may be a plus or a minus).

I watrched NYPD Blue religiously until about three years ago, whne its creative genius, writer-producer David Milch left the show. Tried watrching it after tha, but it was pc city, and Bochco started substituting affirmative action casting for good writing, which made it doubly bad.

Stix doesn't deal with the real questions: How did "Law and Order" get to be such a "chick" show? How'd Wolf manage to make a cop show that guys can't stand?

Since Stix failed to deal with the real questions, why don't you give it a shot?

[mrustow]

Thanks for the good news!

[mrustow]

Count also how frequently the whites in NYC (New York!!!!) are protrayed as racist and antigay.

Also count how many times the evildoer is a businessman. White of course. Compare with NYPD Blue which has a more balanced (realistic) representation of criminals race.

The funny thing is, NYPD Blue's realism is still only relative. Even a pc TV critic at the New York Daily News, David Bianculli, noted about seven years ago, that NYPD Blue seemed to find every white criminal on the Lower East Side, where it's set. The joke is, that there are virtually NO violent white criminals on the Lower East Side!

[mrustow]

I love it!

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I get the impression, NYPD Blue is written by people who really understand something of what it's like to be a detective in New York. The cops aren't always portrayed in flattering terms, but the perps are worse. Indeed the cops have to be tough and wily and a little shady themselves to crack the cases.

I never had much interest in Law and Order, but it seems to be further from the "realities" of day to day police life. It looks like they just take stories out of the newspapers and dramatize them, rather than look at what actually goes on in police work. This means they'll be more "high profile" crimes with political or class overtones, more opportunities for scandalizing and preaching.

Also, are the main characters White? There are certain conventions in these shows you can't get around. If you have Black and Latin cops or lawyers they can go after Black and Latin crooks. If your stars are White, the villains are going to be White as well. Even if you have token Black, Hispanic or Asian characters, the villains will still tend to be White.

[handk]

You left out the other Hollywood rule. If a character in a script is a "computer genius", the role must be played by a black. Examples: "Die Hard" (the guy who hacks through seven layers of security to get the German bearer-bonds), "Terminator 2" (Miles Bennett Dyson, creator of "Skynet"), and so on.

[Timm]

Anyone who watches L&O regularly knows the show goes out of its way-- way, way out its way-- to portray blacks and other minorities in a positive light. There are few black defendants, and when there are they are not poor and wretched. They're baseball players, political activists, or other successful people.

There's nothing wrong with some variety in story line. Who really wants to watch McCoy prosecute a typical crackhead killer every week? But the show does take place in Manhattan, and the range of defendants over many years is not at all realistic. It's obviously true the show is trying to make a political point.

If you compare L&O to NYPD Blue, you notice a much more realistic range of defendants on NYPD Blue. Of course, NYPD Blue is a more of a boot-licking pro-police show than L&O. It's supposed to be fine with the audience when the cops get frustrated enough to want to beat a man in custody, when Sipowitz's relatives die we're supposed to understand his desire to see the killers dead (but not that of civilian vigilantes), etc.

Anyway, L&O also loves to introduce characters to stump for big, big liberal government. This characteristic was worse in the mid- to late nineties, but you still see it now and then. Whenever the detectives go to check the records of some state agency-- Child Services, Parole, whatever-- you know you're going to hear some poor, conscientious, overworked government employee explain to the detectives how he's got 4 million clients, inadequate time to investigate, etc. New York just doesn't give its bureaucracies nearly enough money, you see.

[mrustow]

Interesting observations. Yes, NYPD Blue has always had a producer who is a retired veteran NYPD detective (can't recall his name offhand).

There are certain conventions in these shows you can't get around. If you have Black and Latin cops or lawyers they can go after Black and Latin crooks. If your stars are White, the villains are going to be White as well. Even if you have token Black, Hispanic or Asian characters, the villains will still tend to be White.

Those conventions have increasingly taken hold in real life too. Racist black police officials, working together with the media and anti-police activists, have made it harder and harder for white cops to arrest black criminals. Thus, now the unwritten rule is that only black and Hispanic cops are "permitted" to really do The Job in minority neighborhoods. However, many of the new breed of affirmative action minority cops are so racist, that they are criminal sympathizers, and refuse to do The Job.

[Valin]

I say it matter-of-factly because it's true and for now there is nothing that I can do about it. And I'm not willing to withdraw from the world.

Back in my hippie(god I've always hated that term) days I was always getting in trouble for "selling out to the corperate food establishment of amerika by eating at Mc Donalds, I've never bought into the "politics is personal" argument then or now.

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No cop show will ever be entirely realistic, particularly if it's set in an urban, "multicultural" setting, and doesn't wish to incite one part of society against another. I think if you imagine that the city isn't really New York, but Calgary or Omaha the ratios of white to non-white criminals on NYPD Blue will make more sense. It's still a better, more realistic show than Law and Order.

You won't find absolute accuracy in series television. A sense of "believability" -- shows that don't outrage viewers with their implausiblity -- is the desired quality.

If there's distortion in NYPD Blue, it's more of the white lie that we need for society to function, while Law and Order seems more overtly propagandistic, or at least, more manipulative and cavalier.

For the "real story" about Law and Order, go here (and understand that the "real story" behind the "real story" is how there ever came to be a "Mrs. Michael Kinsley" to begin with.

[LouD]

The best crime show on TV was Homicide: Life on the Street - It struck me as real and believeable, not contrived indoctrination like Law and Order. I've given up on the genre since it's been off the air, except for an occasional rerun on Court TV.

[Mark17]

You mind my asking which one?

I just about have it narrowed down to Ilo Ilo, Cebu City, Butuan City, or Samal Island, east of Surigao Del Sur.