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Tale of the Gun (Chicago gunman being blamed on original purchaser of gun!)
The Spoons Experience ^ | 9.3.2003 | Spoons Experience

Posted on 09/05/2003 12:46:12 PM PDT by Terriergal

September 03, 2003

TALE OF THE GUN

Chicago reporters and pols are obsessed with the gun used in last week's workplace shooting. From the Sun Times:

[Acting Chicago Police Superintendent Phil] Cline said Tapia had a Walther .380-caliber semiautomatic pistol and "at least one extra clip.'' Cline described it as "an older model gun.'' The weapon is small and easily concealed, designed for plainclothes officers.
According to later stories, the weapon was a Walther PP (not the PPK/S I originally guessed).

The Walther PP is one of the older members of a very well-known family of small, German-made semiautomatic pistols. The .380 caliber (aka 9mm kurz), is a mediocre round, at best. Pretty much the only reason people use it is because the guns tend to be very small and easily concealable. Today, the rationale for carrying a gun in .380 is getting weaker, as manufacturers are coming up with some truly tiny semiautos in 9mm, such as the Kahr PM9 or the Taurus Millenium. The .380 is a less powerful round than the 9mm (little loved by the blogosphere's rezident armorer, who refers to it as the 9mm wussy Europellet). It is less powerful than the .38. It is much less powerful than the 40 S&W, much less powerful than the .45 ACP, and much much less powerful than the .357 Magnum or .44 Magnum -- and those are just the most common calibers.

There. Even if you knew nothing about firearms before today, you now know more than the entire staff of the Chicago Sun Times. To wit:

A gun made for plainclothes cops because of its big firepower and small size was the weapon Salvador Tapia brandished Wednesday.
Big firepower. I doubt most reporters would recognize big firepower if it shot them in the ass.

The Chicago media's obsession with the gun used in this case would be amusing if it weren't so tragic. As it turns out, the last two known owners of the pistol were both Chicago police officers. Neither of the officers (both of whom are now dead) bothered to register the weapon pursuant to Chicago's handgun ordinance. Ironic, since as police officers, they were among the only people who could register a newly acquired handgun in the Chicago Reich. It's unclear how the gun passed to Tapia.

A lot of so-called "moderates" on gun control say that only paranoid gun nuts could possibly oppose gun registration. "You have to register your car, after all...." Law abiding citizens have "nothing to worry about."

Oh yeah?

The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives traced the weapon to the Blue Island Gun Shop, which received the gun from the manufacturer in 1966 and sold it to Milton R. Beuck. The last official record of the gun was 1983, when Beuck registered it legally in Chicago. [Before the Chicago gun ordinance went into effect later that same year--Ed.]

Beuck told police he had sold it to a Chicago police officer, identified by sources as Schott, at a bar in 1994, Bayless said. The police officer sold the gun to a second officer sometime between 1994 and 1997, according to a friend of the first officer. The second officer died in 2002 and it is unclear what became of the gun, Bayless said.

"It was not registered and it should have been," he said.

On Thursday, police charged Beuck, who is 58 and homeless, with a misdemeanor for failing to keep records of the gun, authorities said. In Bond Court Friday, Cook County Judge Marvin Luckman ordered him held on $100,000 bond and assigned him to the Cermak Hospital division of Cook County Jail.

The high bond was ordered because of the seriousness of the eventual crime in which the gun was used and because there was an outstanding drunken driving warrant for Beuck, said Jerry Lawrence, a spokesman for the Cook County state's attorney's office.

There is an 18-month statute of limitations on the misdemeanor charge, Lawrence said, but because the law requires a gun owner to maintain records for 10 years, Beuck was currently violating the law by not maintaining a record of the 1994 sale through next year.

Got that? This poor mope, Beuck, legally buys a gun, probably some time around 1966-67. He keeps the gun for 15 years or so, without incident, at which time he promptly complies with Chicago's unconstitutional gun ordinance and registers his gun with the City in 1983. He keeps the gun for another decade or so, until 1994, at which time he legally sells it to a cop. Nine years later, and after at least two police officers have ignored the gun ordinance, a career violent criminal (in violation of a half dozen state laws and City ordinances) somehow gets ahold of the gun and kills several coworkers. The cops track down Beuck, now homeless, and ask him about the gun. Beuck cooperates, tells the police what he knows, but because this homeless man cannot now produce records regarding the sale of his gun nine years ago, Beuck gets sent to Cook County Jail on $100,000 bond!

You gotta wonder what would have happened if the authorities had shown as much interest in locking up the murderer, Tapia, after any of his more than a dozen arrests as they did in locking away a 58 year old homeless guy who couldn't come up with the paperwork documenting a gun he sold nine years ago.

Also in response to the shooting, the Chicago Police have also set up a hotline for people to call in anonymous tips about Chicago citizens who may have unregistered guns in their homes. (No, I'm not going to link to it).

This story illustrates three important lessons:

1. Pro-gun "moderates" often say that the answer to gun-crime is to enforce the laws already on the books. Unfortunately, that includes a lot of horrible, unconstitutional, evil laws. Let's prosecute people who commit crimes with guns: not people whose only "offense" is exercising their Constitutional and natural law right to own guns;

2. Only a fool would ever purposely comply with a law requiring gun registration; and

3. Mayor Richard M. Daley is a festering canker on the putrid shit-encrusted bunghole that is the City of Chicago. Good people should live somewhere else.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: chicago; chicagoshooting; guncontrol; gunregistration; handgun; il; illinois
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Sorry if this was already posted -

Here is at least part of story the article is commenting on since the link they provide in the first paragraph no longer seems to be operating:

Firm's president gripped by guilt


"Blessed are the peacemakers..."

1 posted on 09/05/2003 12:46:13 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal
Just read the story, are these reporters really that stupid.

If they had pulled over Tapia with a sub machine gun in 1989 as stated in the story, he should still be in jail for a felony weapons charge.

2 posted on 09/05/2003 12:54:37 PM PDT by dts32041 ("Moderate Arab" he's the one who detonates his bomb via remote control.)
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To: Terriergal
I'm working just across the Indiana border from Chicago. The mentality there is unbelievable to a Texan like myself.
3 posted on 09/05/2003 12:54:37 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente
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To: dts32041
well you know, the criminals never *really* get the law laid down on them, just the good 'law' abiding people that don't bother anyone or at worst, make a little typo or paperwork error.
4 posted on 09/05/2003 12:59:28 PM PDT by Terriergal ("multipass!")
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To: El Laton Caliente
yep I'll bet.
I wish Texas wasn't so darn hot, I'd move there. :-)
5 posted on 09/05/2003 1:00:11 PM PDT by Terriergal ("multipass!")
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To: Terriergal
We got air conditionin'.
6 posted on 09/05/2003 1:01:57 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: ladtx
Yeah but that don't do nothing for the bugs and other *offensive* critters outside...where I'd rather spend most of my time hunting the *tasty* critters! At least here in MN we get a few months of no bugs... and very few poisonous snakes etc...
7 posted on 09/05/2003 1:03:50 PM PDT by Terriergal ("multipass!")
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To: Admin Moderator
thanks for fixing the title! :-)
8 posted on 09/05/2003 1:05:10 PM PDT by Terriergal ("multipass!")
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To: Terriergal
It's a big state and most of the "offensive" critters are so spread out we don't see too many of them. Most of them stay hid anyway, it's too hot for them too.
9 posted on 09/05/2003 1:05:57 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: Terriergal
Hey! Rattle Snakes are tasty! :^)
10 posted on 09/05/2003 1:06:35 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente
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To: El Laton Caliente
Heh heh heh!
11 posted on 09/05/2003 1:06:58 PM PDT by Terriergal ("multipass!")
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To: Terriergal; Admin Moderator
Sorry if this was already posted.



Don't be sorry, but please search next time, because it was indeed posted under the exact same title.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/975833/posts
12 posted on 09/05/2003 1:08:02 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: ladtx; Terriergal
He thinks I'm joking!

Try the Freer Rattle Snake Round Up one year. It is a Jaycee (sp?) benefit held in S. Texas every year. My father grew up there.
13 posted on 09/05/2003 1:10:18 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente
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To: Terriergal
Liberals are MUCH more offensive than snakes and spiders and such.
14 posted on 09/05/2003 1:10:41 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: El Laton Caliente
They have a big one in Sweetwater too every spring. Rattlesnakes not bad, (dare I say it --- tastes like chicken.)
15 posted on 09/05/2003 1:11:53 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: Terriergal
Especially thiose who don't have the money to defend themselves. Isn't it convenient that the second cop is dead and can't make his own statement regarding the gun? I'll bet $20 that the first cop didn't sell it to the second at all but sold it to some street thug instead. Hell, he could have sold it to the perp himself.
16 posted on 09/05/2003 1:13:35 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Terriergal
Bumporama!
17 posted on 09/05/2003 1:37:21 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (when times are bad and everything is at its worst, it takes a brave man to kick back and party)
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To: Terriergal
Gosh ,

2 chicago cops with a throw away & now this homeless man gets to make bail . Lovely . The way the laws are written it never made sense for me to register my firearms .

I never will either .

18 posted on 09/05/2003 2:03:44 PM PDT by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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To: wingnuts'nbolts; AAABEST; Fearless Flyers
Just another example ..
19 posted on 09/05/2003 2:05:38 PM PDT by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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To: Terriergal
Good grief! Who would own any gun in Illinois now, knowing that years after you sell it (or God forbid, lose it) some unknown wacko who somehow nicked your old, now long forgotten gun could commit a crime, and you'd be dragged in to jail to answer for his crime? What a freakin' bunghole to live in! (and to think I was born there)
20 posted on 09/05/2003 2:41:50 PM PDT by Sender
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