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Can We Afford to Occupy Iraq?
Texas Straight Talk ^ | September 1, 2003 | US Rep. Ron Paul

Posted on 09/03/2003 10:43:24 AM PDT by bc2

Can We Afford to Occupy Iraq?

The recent bombing of the UN headquarters in Iraq has refocused the world’s attention on the dangerous situation in that nation. The Bush administration is now softening its position against UN involvement, and is considering the use of UN military forces to serve as an international peacekeeping coalition in Iraq.

We should not expect any international coalition to help us pay the bills for occupying Iraq, however. American taxpayers alone will bear the tremendous financial burden of nation building in Iraq. We are already spending about 5 billion dollars in Iraq every month, a number likely to increase as the ongoing instability makes it clear that more troops and aid are needed. We will certainly spend far more than the 65 billion dollars originally called for by the administration to prosecute the war. The possibility of spending hundreds of billions in Iraq over several years is very real. This is money we simply don’t have, as evidenced by the government’s deficit spending- borrowing- to finance the campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq to date.

It’s easy for politicians to say, “We will spend whatever it takes to rebuild Iraq,” but it’s not their money. Occupying Iraq is not a matter of noble national resolve like World War II. The cost of restoring order will be enormous, and we need to carefully weigh the supposed benefits and ask ourselves exactly what we hope to get for our money. I doubt many Americans believe Iraq is worth bankrupting our nation or saddling future generations with billions more in debt.

The American public deserves clear goals and a definite exit strategy in Iraq. It’s not enough for our political and military leaders to make vague references to some future time when democratic rule and a civil society somehow will emerge in Iraq. It’s patently unrealistic to expect that nation’s various warring factions to suddenly embrace representative democracy and accept the outcome of a western-style vote. Even if open elections could be held, the majority might well choose an anti-American fundamentalist regime. This puts Washington in a Catch 22: The U.S. clearly will influence the creation of a new Iraqi government to ensure it is friendly to America, yet the perception that we installed the government will create further hostility toward America. There obviously are no easy solutions to the dilemmas we face in Iraq, and the complexity of the political and social realities begs the question: How do we ever hope to get out? If real stability and democratic rule simply cannot be attained in Iraq, are we prepared to occupy it for decades to come?

The Korean conflict should serve as a cautionary tale against the open-ended military occupation of any region. Human tragedy aside, we have spent half a century and more than one trillion of today’s dollars in Korea. What do we have to show for it? North Korea is a belligerent adversary armed with nuclear technology, while South Korea is at best ambivalent about our role as their protector. The stalemate stretches on with no end in sight, while the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of the brave men who fought in Korea continue to serve there. Although the situation in Iraq is different, the lesson learned in Korea is clear. We must not allow our nation to become entangled in another endless, intractable, overseas conflict. We literally cannot afford to have the occupation of Iraq stretch on for years.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; ronpaul; spending; whateverittakes
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1 posted on 09/03/2003 10:43:24 AM PDT by bc2
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To: bc2
WTC attack $150+ billion damage and still mounting.

Can we afford not to occupy Iraq?
2 posted on 09/03/2003 10:46:22 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Coleman 2003!)
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To: thoughtomator
you beat me to it, GWB is trying stop more 9/11, and , whatever the cost, it`s cheap
3 posted on 09/03/2003 10:48:25 AM PDT by bybybill (first the public employees, next the fish and, finally, the children)
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To: thoughtomator
You're right, the 2% of Iraq that we occupy is definitely free of terrorists, except for a couple of truck and car bombers.
4 posted on 09/03/2003 10:51:07 AM PDT by palmer (paid for by the "Lazamataz for Supreme Ruler" campaign.)
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To: thoughtomator
Thank you...my sentiments exactly. Some people just don't seem to understand that if we don't do something now, it will only cost us that much more down the road.
5 posted on 09/03/2003 10:53:08 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: bc2
"About to enter, fellow-citizens, on the exercise of duties which comprehend everything dear and valuable to you, it is proper you should understand what I deem the essential principles of our Government, and consequently those which ought to shape its Administration. I will compress them within the narrowest compass they will bear, stating the general principle, but not all its limitations... peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none..."

Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

6 posted on 09/03/2003 10:54:56 AM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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To: thoughtomator
Can we afford not to occupy Iraq?

My sentiments exactly.

Gum

7 posted on 09/03/2003 10:55:53 AM PDT by ChewedGum (http://king-of-fools.blogspot.com)
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To: thoughtomator
"WTC attack $150+ billion damage and still mounting. Can we afford not to occupy Iraq?"

Bravo! You beat me to it. Thanks!

8 posted on 09/03/2003 10:57:18 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: bc2
Paul's questions are fine, but it's just too early for a useful answer.

The administration asked the congress for 65 billion for two years of war and the congress gave it.
Of course it's going to cost twice as much- everything the government does costs twice as much as they claim it will.

Right now nearly everything is running ahead of schedule. By the anniversary of the war there should be a reasonably clear understanding of what the future holds in Iraq.

10 posted on 09/03/2003 11:06:43 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: bc2
Empire is expensive.

Ron Paul is a man of the Republic, and I respect him enough that I would like to go to his distsrict and get to know the people who elected him.

Think of the Delian league, and the financial problems that plagued and then hamstrung Rome. Think of the English Empire, so recent in time, that collapsed after England no longer had technological and economic supremacy, and could no longer afford the cost of Empire.

An Empire is like grabbing a tiger by the tail, you don't dare let go, and you go wherever the tiger wants.

Me, I'm a man of the Republic, but putting the Republic back together is desired only by a minority. Moving from the present political order to one that rejects Empire would cause economic and political upheaval here in the USA. Israel would be lost, and Arab Nationalism unchecked, and the whole oil zone would be dominated by Saddam Hussein look alikes all in love with their long range missiles, near Earth space systems of offense and defense, and their nuclear weapons.

Iraq will cost more like $100 Billion a year than what is talked about now, and this much money will not be enough to get the job done right. For the "Iraq" program to work, we will have to stay in the Middle East with overwhelming military superiority until we are pushed out by war.

Shucks, guys, I've been laying the cards out on the table for everyone to see about this business for years here on Freerepublic, and to anyone who will listen. There are ways other than Empire, and they are really pretty easy to do, but they are not popular, certain elites and interests are hostile to the existing program changing, "standard of living" would drop badly over the short term, etc.

11 posted on 09/03/2003 11:08:00 AM PDT by Iris7
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To: bc2
Thomas Jefferson was a fool, and infected many with his insane ravings. Study his personal life if you don't believe me.
12 posted on 09/03/2003 11:10:08 AM PDT by Iris7
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To: bc2
"American taxpayers alone will bear the tremendous financial burden of nation building in Iraq."

As I understand it, Iraq will be using the revenues from its oil to fund a substantial part of this. I think people are forgetting this (on purpose?)

13 posted on 09/03/2003 11:11:30 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: thoughtomator
WTC attack $150+ billion damage and still mounting. Can we afford not to occupy Iraq?

Please, please, tell me what Iraq had to do with WTC attack?

14 posted on 09/03/2003 11:13:29 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: moose_madsen
The world is just a little safer for my children and grandchildren. Thank you President Bush and Thank you brave soldiers!!!
15 posted on 09/03/2003 11:13:40 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: mass55th
Some people just don't seem to understand that if we don't do something now, it will only cost us that much more down the road

Conceptual thinking, logical thought, and deductive reasoning are not the LONG SUITS of the typical uneducated socialist/marxist commie/lib red loving dimwitted Democrat.

16 posted on 09/03/2003 11:13:45 AM PDT by PISANO
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To: Iris7
"There are ways other than Empire"

So how would you have solved the problem of Iraq other than 'empire' as you call it?

17 posted on 09/03/2003 11:13:56 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: moose_madsen
I've heard that Iraqi oil reserves are the greatest in the world. Why would the US have to foot the bill, for ten years, when development of these oil wells could be contracted out to private indusrty? Oil revenue from these wells could also pay for some infrastructure improvements in Iraq instead of depending only on US money. In any case, what we are spending in Iraq pales in comparison to the cost of fighting terrorism - I hope we're beyond discussing the NEED to fight terrorism - in the streets of Detroit, New York, San Francisco, etc. I'm not arguing that we spend ourselves into oblivion in Iraq. But, we should consider that it is not all the doom and gloom we read about in the totally biased, election bent, liberal point of view lamestream media.
18 posted on 09/03/2003 11:18:07 AM PDT by caisson71
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To: bc2
Would the author spend all his savings to get a cure for cancer, or would he prefer to go the cheap route and die with lots of money?
19 posted on 09/03/2003 11:19:12 AM PDT by trebb
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To: Iris7
Iraq will cost more like $100 Billion a year than what is talked about now, and this much money will not be enough to get the job done right. For the "Iraq" program to work, we will have to stay in the Middle East with overwhelming military superiority until we are pushed out by war.

Neocons dream about moving on Iran which is three times larger. I guess that if we scrap the Medicare then Iran, Syria will become affordable.

20 posted on 09/03/2003 11:19:15 AM PDT by A. Pole
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