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1 posted on 09/03/2003 10:43:24 AM PDT by bc2
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WTC attack $150+ billion damage and still mounting.

Can we afford not to occupy Iraq?
2 posted on 09/03/2003 10:46:22 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Coleman 2003!)
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"About to enter, fellow-citizens, on the exercise of duties which comprehend everything dear and valuable to you, it is proper you should understand what I deem the essential principles of our Government, and consequently those which ought to shape its Administration. I will compress them within the narrowest compass they will bear, stating the general principle, but not all its limitations... peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none..."

Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

6 posted on 09/03/2003 10:54:56 AM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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Paul's questions are fine, but it's just too early for a useful answer.

The administration asked the congress for 65 billion for two years of war and the congress gave it.
Of course it's going to cost twice as much- everything the government does costs twice as much as they claim it will.

Right now nearly everything is running ahead of schedule. By the anniversary of the war there should be a reasonably clear understanding of what the future holds in Iraq.

10 posted on 09/03/2003 11:06:43 AM PDT by mrsmith
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Empire is expensive.

Ron Paul is a man of the Republic, and I respect him enough that I would like to go to his distsrict and get to know the people who elected him.

Think of the Delian league, and the financial problems that plagued and then hamstrung Rome. Think of the English Empire, so recent in time, that collapsed after England no longer had technological and economic supremacy, and could no longer afford the cost of Empire.

An Empire is like grabbing a tiger by the tail, you don't dare let go, and you go wherever the tiger wants.

Me, I'm a man of the Republic, but putting the Republic back together is desired only by a minority. Moving from the present political order to one that rejects Empire would cause economic and political upheaval here in the USA. Israel would be lost, and Arab Nationalism unchecked, and the whole oil zone would be dominated by Saddam Hussein look alikes all in love with their long range missiles, near Earth space systems of offense and defense, and their nuclear weapons.

Iraq will cost more like $100 Billion a year than what is talked about now, and this much money will not be enough to get the job done right. For the "Iraq" program to work, we will have to stay in the Middle East with overwhelming military superiority until we are pushed out by war.

Shucks, guys, I've been laying the cards out on the table for everyone to see about this business for years here on Freerepublic, and to anyone who will listen. There are ways other than Empire, and they are really pretty easy to do, but they are not popular, certain elites and interests are hostile to the existing program changing, "standard of living" would drop badly over the short term, etc.

11 posted on 09/03/2003 11:08:00 AM PDT by Iris7
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"American taxpayers alone will bear the tremendous financial burden of nation building in Iraq."

As I understand it, Iraq will be using the revenues from its oil to fund a substantial part of this. I think people are forgetting this (on purpose?)

13 posted on 09/03/2003 11:11:30 AM PDT by MEGoody
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Would the author spend all his savings to get a cure for cancer, or would he prefer to go the cheap route and die with lots of money?
19 posted on 09/03/2003 11:19:12 AM PDT by trebb
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I said in my #11, "Moving from the present political order to one that rejects Empire would cause economic and political upheaval here in the USA. Israel would be lost, and Arab Nationalism unchecked, and the whole oil zone would be dominated by Saddam Hussein look alikes all in love with their long range missiles, near Earth space systems of offense and defense, and their nuclear weapons."

Actually a more likely scenario is for the Chinese, or even the Russians, or, believe it or not, the Germans and French, to move in to dominate the oil producing regions. Too much power and money is at stake.

23 posted on 09/03/2003 11:22:37 AM PDT by Iris7
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Can we afford to occupy the Balkans?
29 posted on 09/03/2003 11:29:44 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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Why would we want to?
43 posted on 09/03/2003 11:55:06 AM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: bc2
Now consider the cost of not occupying Iraq.
53 posted on 09/03/2003 12:16:22 PM PDT by rudypoot
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Ron Paul is irrelevanating himself.
55 posted on 09/03/2003 12:19:03 PM PDT by Consort
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Since when has the government worried about making decisions based on whether or not we can afford them?
57 posted on 09/03/2003 12:20:23 PM PDT by SaveTheChief
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Can We Afford to Occupy Iraq?

NO. We are just holding the fort until the massive crash-course training of hundreds of thousands Iraqis in American-style template civics, law enforcement, and sociology. And that had better be the plan. AND it had better be sooner rather than later...

If the evidence suggests the Iraqi people themselves can't or won't make personals committments toward maintaining a free Iraq, then why the h#ll should America continue play Mommy and Daddy? We have further "aisle clean-ups" to attend to around the world...

61 posted on 09/03/2003 12:36:22 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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"American taxpayers alone will bear the tremendous financial burden of nation building in Iraq."

Kinda says it all doesn't it................

Americans First

74 posted on 09/03/2003 2:07:41 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (It's now the Al Davis GOP...........................Just Win Baby !!!)
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