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I don't know if this is authentic or not. I would say it is probably at the 95% level. I posted to breaking as if you live near one these bases, rely on it for park of your income, and it closes you could be broke.
1 posted on 09/02/2003 9:21:06 AM PDT by SLB
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Are there any domestic bases left?
2 posted on 09/02/2003 9:23:49 AM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: SLB
not Fort Rich!!!!
3 posted on 09/02/2003 9:27:02 AM PDT by cherry
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Looks like a good list.

Haven't I heard that Sierra Depot in CA was a nuke site? If so, contamination might make that impossible to close.

The Lima Tank Plant is, I think, the only tank production line that we have. I'll be surprised to see it close -- if that's true.

6 posted on 09/02/2003 9:30:43 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning Was the Word!)
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Wow. They're retiring the KC-135Es, which are not so much aircraft as they are a collection of overaged spare parts flying in loose formation. I rode one from Okinawa to the Philippines in 1986. You know how the Pope kisses the ground when he gets off of the airplane? I was doing that, too!
7 posted on 09/02/2003 9:30:50 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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I'm a bit skeptical of the list...not that the originator doesn't have valid information...there are installations listed or unlisted that don't make sense.

Goodfellow AFB is the site for much of the services' intelligence training. If it closes, that mission shifts here to Ft. Huachuca. The enviro-Nazis have been quite litigious in their efforts to stop growth at Ft. Huachuca and will more than likely continue to fight against the closure of any base that increases mission here.

Red River Army Depot is not on the list. RRAD has been sweating closure through the last 3 rounds of BRAC. They are one of 3 army depots that still 'bend iron', and as such, perform a vital mission for the Army. I believe Picatinny and Rock Island are the others. They are both on the list...does that mean that, contrary to the fears of the folks in Texarkana, RRAD is about to pick up the entire mission from the other two? Hard to say...
9 posted on 09/02/2003 9:31:07 AM PDT by HiJinx (The Right person, in the Right place, at the Right time...)
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To: SLB
Personally, I doubt this is authentic. And if it is, I doubt it will carry much weight with the panel that will actually be making these recommendations.

First, I suspect that panel will guard it's work extremely closely. Second, law envisions shutting down as much as 25% of all base capacity in the U. S. (that's more than all the other base closings in the past put together), and this list looks much too short to meet that goal.

11 posted on 09/02/2003 9:31:31 AM PDT by 68skylark
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SPOTREP
13 posted on 09/02/2003 9:35:17 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, New Hampshire

That sucks for my home state - If I recall, Pease AFB was closed some time ago - now this? A lot of memories from those two bases - Pease Air Force Base is where I went on many encampments and OJT stuff with Civil Air Patrol, and Portsmouth is where I learned a lot about submarine history - that was one reason I joined the navy to begin with... bummer

15 posted on 09/02/2003 9:36:25 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (Chad Fairbanks - 1970 Recipient of the Prestigious Y-Chromosome Award)
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Oh so sad (personal note) ... grew up at Fort Shafter and Picatinney Arsenal (we lived on the Arsenal).
18 posted on 09/02/2003 9:42:54 AM PDT by zeaal
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This is not authentic IMHO. They would be closing almost every training base we have in the AF. Not to mention several of the bases listed are storage facilities for material that is not easily transferred. Don't know where this came from but it will never pass!

As far as I know the Air Force has not even come up with a list. Not to mention LA is an AFS not an AFB. I can see LA AFS and Hanscom closing -- some of the others no way!
19 posted on 09/02/2003 9:43:07 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Alpha Omnicon Pi Mom too!)
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"... Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego, California (realign or close)..."

GASP!

21 posted on 09/02/2003 9:43:39 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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I notice a lot of comments on this thread that seem to make base closings sound like a bad thing. I respectfully disagree. It's great when government shrinks. I only wish the non-military part of the government was run so well.

With fewer bases we'll spend less money and need fewer troops for force-protection. That will leave the military with more money and troops for actual missions overseas.

I'm sorry if some of you have sentimental attachment to bases that are closed -- that must be tough. But overall, for the common good, I think this is great news. I'm only sorry that the shut-down process is so slow and expensive.

22 posted on 09/02/2003 9:44:18 AM PDT by 68skylark
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Me thinks the inclusion of Ft. Sam is in error. Medics/docs/nurses train there. Sen. Kay Hutchinson just announced a multi-million dollar upgrade to hospital facilities, base,etc.
23 posted on 09/02/2003 9:44:52 AM PDT by donozark
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If this is the list from the AF, there is going to be an uproar that won't stop. We have taken some of the biggest hits already and cannot see this list ever getting through the Congress. With this list, the chance of a base closure in 2005 is highly remote.

Want to bet this was put out by some DemocRAT right now to try and hurt Bush in 2004 in the States he is most popular in right now. Vance just won an award for its training -- now someone wants to close it and Altus here in Oklahoma -- not going to happen IMHO -- it will never get past Jim Inhofe!!
24 posted on 09/02/2003 9:46:52 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Alpha Omnicon Pi Mom too!)
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"Fort McPherson/Gillem, Georgia"

Damn.

25 posted on 09/02/2003 9:47:01 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Rooooooock Lobster.................)
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Here is an article that expands on the list, but it notes, "This is not an official list, just informed speculation gathered from hundreds of sources over the past year."

http://www.g2mil.com/2005.htm

28 posted on 09/02/2003 9:52:17 AM PDT by MediaMole
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J'ville joins BRAC effort

SCOTT EARP
07-17-2003

(Jacksonville, Alabama newspaper -- 'Jax News')

During their meeting Monday night, council members unanimously pledged their participation in the local BRAC (Base Re-Alignment and Closure Commission) effort. Their efforts were designed to save the jobs of the 4,700 employees at Anniston Army Depot.

“Our share is based on the 2000 census count,” explained Mayor Jerry Smith, responding to a question by council members as to how it was arrived at the amount they would be responsible for, “which we still believe are inaccurate, but nonetheless that is how they determined how much our part in all this would be.

“I believe we will all agree that it is very important that we do all we can to keep the depot off of the BRAC list or, if it gets on there, do all we can to get it off.”

The measure, which calls for the city to pay $13,583 to the Calhoun County Chamber of Commerce, was presented as a resolution stating, “Whereas, Anniston Army Depot is crucial to the economy of Jacksonville and the Calhoun County area and its closing would be detrimental to the quality of life in the area, and;

“Whereas, it is important that the community begin immediately its efforts to prevent the closing of the Anniston Army Depot in the next round of base closings by the Base Re-Alignment and Closure Commission (BRAC) slated for 2005, and;

“Whereas, the local governments, legislators, private businesses and organizations, and the Alabama Governor’s Officer have developed a funding plan for the effort to prevent said closing, each local government’s share of the funding to be based on it pro rata population.”

In their findings, following extensive discussions and research on matter, council members noted “that the effort to prevent the closing of Anniston Army Depot is in the best interest of the City of Jacksonville and its citizens and that the funding plan of said effort is reasonable and just.”

Council members agreed to pledge this amount each year for the next three years in hopes that their efforts, combined with those of their partners in this endeavor, will persuade the Army and federal government to leave the depot off any future BRAC listings.

“We are going to do all we can to make sure we keep it open,” insisted Councilwoman Sandra Sudduth. Sudduth pointed to the severe hit Jacksonville and Calhoun County took from the closure of Fort McClellan in 1999.

“We know what happened to the economy then,” added Sudduth, admitting that no one wants to feel the force of the economic blow that would be delivered if the depot closed on top of all that has already happened.

“The depot is critical for this whole region,” concurred Mayor Smith. It is estimated that the depot contributes close to $1 billion a year to this region’s economy.

During a congressional hearing last year, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, estimating that the domestic base infrastructure is currently 25 percent too large and costs billions of dollars each year, recommended another round of base realignments and closures for 2005. It has been noted that the four previous rounds of base closures have save the military $6.6 billion each year, especially considering the need for heightened base security in the post-911 world.

“The 2005 round will begin in March 2005,” noted a spokesman for the group lobbying to keep Anniston Army Depot off the closure list, “when the President, in consultation with congressional leaders, will appoint the nine-member base closing commission. Two months later, the Secretary of Defense will submit his list of facilities to be closed. It will take seven members to add a facility to that list, but just a simple majority to remove a facility. The President may approve that list and send it to Congress, or reject it and send it back to the commission. Neither Congress nor the President can make changes to the list. If he accepts the list, it becomes law unless Congress votes against it within 45 days. This has never happened since Congressmen from districts spared closures think the list is fair.

The bases currently proposed for closure or realignment in 2005 include: Carlisle Barracks, Pennsylvania; Detroit Arsenal, Michigan; Fort Belvoir, Virginia; Fort Buchanan, Puerto Rico; Fort McPherson/Gillem, Georgia; Fort Monmouth, New Jersey; Fort Monroe, Virginia; Fort Polk, Louisiana (to realign); Fort Richardson, Alaska; Fort Sam Houston, Texas; Fort Shafter, Hawaii; Lima Army Tank Plant, Ohio; Natick Soldier Center, Massachusetts; Picatinny Arsenal, New Jersey; Redstone Arsenal, Alabama; Rock Island Arsenal, Illinois; Sierra Army Depot, California; and Yuma Proving Ground, Arizona.

Naval base closures and realignments include: Ingleside Naval Station, Texas; Naval Postgraduate School, California; Naval Air Station Meridian, Mississippi; Naval Air Engineering Station Lakehurst, New Jersey; Naval Recreation Station Solomons Island, Maryland; Naval Surface Warfare Center Crane, Indiana; Naval Surface Warfare Center, Dahlgren Division, Virginia; Navy Supply Corps School, Georgia; New Orleans Naval Support Activity, Louisiana; Pascagoula Naval Station, Mississippi; Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, New Hampshire; and Saratoga Springs Naval Support Unit, New York.

Marine base closures and realignments include: Marine Corps Logistics Base Albany, Georgia; Marine Corps Logistics Base Barstow, California (realignment); Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, California; Marine Corps Mountain Warfare School, California; Marine Reserve Support Unit, Kansas City; and Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego, California (realign or close).

Air Force base closures and realignments include: Altus AFB, Oklahoma; Beale AFB, California; Brooks AFB, Texas; Cannon AFB, New Mexico; Columbus AFB, Mississippi; Ellsworth AFB, South Dakota; Goodfellow AFB, Texas; Grand Forks AFB, North Dakota; Hanscom AFB, Massachusetts; Kirtland AFB, New Mexico; Los Angeles AFB, California; McConnell AFB, Kansas; Nellis AFB, Nevada (to realign); Seymour Johnson AFB, North Carolina (to realign); Shaw AFB, South Carolina; and Vance AFB, Oklahoma.


29 posted on 09/02/2003 9:52:36 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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A lot of these I could understand. YPG and Ft Richardson really shocked me. Yuma does some work at Schoefield Barracks and I'm sure Richardson's tenants could be garrisoned at Ft. Greely, but these two moves seem to cost more than they save.
30 posted on 09/02/2003 9:53:11 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (More Americans 18-49 Watch The Cartoon Network than CNN!!!)
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To: SLB; Paul Ross
February 3, 2003
Defense budget seeks billions for base closures

The Defense Department’s proposed $379.9 billion fiscal 2004 budget suggests the Pentagon will close or realign as many as 25 percent of all bases during the next round of base closures in 2005.

The proposed budget lays out a six-year spending plan that calls for spending $2.97 billion on base closures in fiscal 2006, $5.26 billion in fiscal 2007, and $2.25 billion in fiscal 2008. Defense budget officials says they arrived at those figures by doubling the combined cost of the last two round of base closings in 1993 and 1995, when about 12 percent of all bases were closed.

Lawmakers approved holding another round of base closures in 2001, but the 2004 budget proposal marks the first time money has been set aside to pay for it.

Raymond Dubois, deputy undersecretary of Defense for installations and environment, said in December that Defense could close or realign as many bases in 2005 as in the previous four rounds combined. In those rounds, 97 bases were closed, 55 major bases were realigned and 235 minor installations were either shut down or relocated. It takes about six years to close or realign bases. The recommendations to do so come from an independent commission appointed by Congress.

Defense budget officials says the hefty price tag for closing bases, which could ultimately reach $20 billion, is justified by a projected annual savings of $6.5 billion. Previous base closure have led to about $6 billion in annual savings, although the proposed 2004 budget includes $459 million for environmental cleanup and maintenance at bases closed over the last decade.

Overall, the proposed budget includes a $15.4 billion increase in defense spending over fiscal 2003. Specifically, the Air Force would see the biggest increase of any of the services with its budget rising $5.7 billion to $113.7 billion, the combined budget of the Navy and Marine Corps would rise $3.5 billion to $114.7 billion, the Army would receive a $3 billion hike to $93.7 billion, and other Defense agencies would receive $3 billion in increases for a total $57.9 billion.

The Defense Department would also continue to trim its civilian workforce, from 680,000 workers in fiscal 2003 to a proposed 673,000 employees in fiscal 2004. Most of those cuts will result from headquarters reductions and retirements, Defense budget officials said. While the cuts continue the downsizing of the civilian workforce that began nearly 15 years ago, they are occurring at a much slower rate than during the 1990s when tens of thousands of civilians were sent packing annually. By fiscal 2009, about 666,000 civilians are slated to be on Defense’s payroll.

Additionally, the budget proposes 10,000 new Defense jobs be opened to federal job competitions, under rules outlined in Office of Management and Budget Circular A-76. Those rules require a competition between federal workers and a contractor before any work is outsourced with the jobs going to the lowest bidder.

Procurement dollars used for developing and buying new weapon systems and replacing old ones would increase $2.7 billion from $70 billion to $72.7 billion, including $7.7 billion for national missile defense; $1.2 billion to develop the Navy’s next-generation of ships and $12.2 billion to buy seven new ships; $1.7 billion for the Army’s Future Combat System and $456 million to field a replacement for the Crusader field artillery system that was cancelled last year; and $1.4 billion to buy and develop a variety of unmanned aerial aircraft.

The Defense Department’s Special Operations Command emerges as a big winner in the budget with an increase of nearly 50 percent over last year’s spending to $4.5 billion. Defense budget officials said the increase is a reflection of the growing role special operators have played in the war on terrorism and expanding roles they will likely have in future operations. The increase will cover the cost of new equipment as well as the construction of more than $80 million in new facilities for special operators.

Military construction accounts are proposed at level funding, $9 billion in fiscal 2004, although Congress traditionally tacks on billions of dollars for construction projects. Defense budget officials said $9 billion is enough money to ensure that Defense will be on track by fiscal 2008 to achieve its goal of repairing and replacing military buildings every 67 years.

31 posted on 09/02/2003 9:53:16 AM PDT by Light Speed
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MCAS Miramar, formerly NAS Miramar, formerly "Top Gun" school, formerly Fort Kerney; surburban creep and enviro-wacko's helps justify this BRAC.
34 posted on 09/02/2003 9:55:31 AM PDT by Tango Whiskey Papa
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