(Michael) Moore alters "Bowling" DVD in response to criticism (& issues libel threat to his critics)

Spinsanity ^ | September 2, 2003 | Brendan Nyhan

[bushfamfan]

Sue him for libel. These liberals rely so much on lies to attack Republicans, conservatives and it needs to be pointed out repeatedly. Just like with Al Franken-claiming there's not one lie in his new autobiography 'Lies and the Lying Liars who tell them', I'm sure someone could document the lies in that one too-though it will take some time. They need to be called on it. Their friends in the media attempt to give them a free pass, but people who know enough to inform themselves learn what lengths those jerks go to.

[weegee]

BUMP FOR TRUTH

[Vigilantcitizen]

"Where is the right's equivelent of Moore and Franken? I rest my case."

I believe TLBSHOW was suspended and now posts on another forum.

[Helms]

Moore hides the serious question:

Is the United States becoming a nation of fledgling antisocials and psychopaths?

First of all, it should be made clear that antisocial behaviors and disorders are not just a symptom of American society, it is equally important to note its pandemic, tragic scope. Noda Masaaki, a psychopathologist from Japan, has commented on the latest rash of psychopathic murders in her country as being indicative of a “perpetrator. . .seeking a sense of magical omnipotence, a feeling of see what I can do!” She also adds that these murders have emerged from the 1980’s, a new type of murderer that “sees human life as something that can be turned on and off at will, just as in an electronic game or a horror video.” (Kaoru & Masaaki, 1997).

The mention of media influence is one of the most important factors in the rise of antisocial behavior. Video games and horror videos, as Masaaki mentioned, were also said to have influenced the Columbine killers. Studies have proven that video games are not only addictive but that children learn to emulate violence. Music with the wrong message, whether it’s Marilyn Manson, Thug Rap, or even Britney Spears, can also have a very dangerous influence on the morality and value system of impressionable young people, for instance, “nothing in the culture wars makes a stronger argument for the defense of conservative values than rap music.” (Fields, 1998)……………………….. http://www.geocities.com/lycium7/research.html

[aruanan]

"Every fact in the film is true. Absolutely every fact in the film is true. And anybody who says otherwise is committing an act of libel."

Well, of course, every fact is true. It's just that not everything that he calls a fact is indeed a fact. Did this guy even make it out of Spin 101?

[DoughtyOne]

So what you want about TBLSHOW, I don't think he lied about liberals from sunup to sundown.

[Vigilantcitizen]

"So what you want about TBLSHOW, I don't think he lied about liberals from sunup to sundown."

You're right. The joke was tasteless.

I apologize TLBSHOW.

[dirtboy]

"if I state something as a fact, I need the viewers to trust that those facts are correct."

Yep, because if folks start looking into those so-called facts, most of them will not stand up to scrutiny.

I doubt that Moore-on meant to be so self-revealing here.

[Alouette]

"Every fact in the film is true. Absolutely every fact in the film is true. And anybody who says otherwise is committing an act of libel."

The definition of "fact" is that it is something which is true. However the film contains many falsehoods. Pointing this out is not "libel" because truth is an absolute defense against libel.

[atomic conspiracy]

Among adolescents, it is commonly thought that lying by implication, innuendo, half-truth, and omission is not lying at all. Of course, these things are lying and Moore's denials simply identify him further as a reckless and juvenile propagandist, appealing primarily to a kind of facetious and debased notion of wit that has its origin in the well-tried techniques of exploiting a gullible audience for commericial gain. It is the equivalent of sticking your tongue out at the teacher when her back is turned.

Moore is probably in it for the money and power, but his work is literal hate-speech, inspiring bigotry and support for terrorism all over the world. The problem comes from the relative credibility assigned to Moore, especially outside the United States. I don't believe that many Americans understand just how seriously this clownish figure is taken in other countries. In Australia, in particular, many regard Moore as the absolute and unimpeachable authority on all things American. His status among Oz leftists has to be seen to be believed, and the same is true to a lesser degree in my native Britain.

Contrary to popular belief, foreigners are generally less, not more, sophisticated in their response to media manipulation. This is reasonable considering that the US invented the saturation media and has had far longer to grow skeptical and cynical about it. The media themselves do not emphasize this, for a variety of reasons, one being the age-old preference of status-seekers for the foreign and seemingly exotic.

[headsonpikes]

Michael Moore...dishonest?

Please, say it ain't so!

[DoughtyOne]

Sorry about that. It was supposed to start out, "Say what you want..." Sheesh. I realized you were attempting some humor there. ;-)

[Vigilantcitizen]

"Sorry about that. It was supposed to start out, "Say what you want..." Sheesh. I realized you were attempting some humor there. ;-)"

; ^ )>

[atomic conspiracy]

"if I state something as a fact, I need the viewers to trust that those facts are correct."

He needs to be taken on authority. This is the entire left-wing propaganda paradigm in a nutshell. When dealing with lefties, always look for the appeal to authority and the presumption of personal authority. It is always there. It is an inherent weakness, one that flows naturally from the agenda being supported. Leftists can no more abandon authoritarian rhetoric than stockbrokers can ignore money. It is a fatal weakness if we just begin to exploit it.

[weegee]

Criswell says:

"Can you prove it didn't happen???"

[Itzlzha]

Somehow I doubt that Mr. Moron's bit of agitprop mentions that Albert Gore Junior was the first candidate to bring up Willie Horton (when he was competing for the Rat party nomination against Michael Dukakis).

Actually, it was Mr. Mafia Mario Cuomo who created and initialy used the Willie Horton angle...AlGore just picked it up and claimed he "invented it"...

[GulliverSwift]

"if I state something as a fact, I need the viewers to trust that those facts are correct."

Translation: If you don't believe every word that flows from my lipid-covered lips, you are a psychopath.

Sorry Mooreon. You can say you're right but until you can prove it with actual evidence, no one will believe you.