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cksharks

Posted on 08/31/2003 12:24:03 PM PDT by cksharks

I remember that Sen McCain and one of the Kerrys were deep into pushing for normalization of Vietnam.I also seem to remember that McCains wifes co was the first to get a contaract in nam (Budweiser Dist. ). What did the Kerrys get in return?


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2004; johnkerry; mccainkerry
Can anyone help me out?
1 posted on 08/31/2003 12:24:03 PM PDT by cksharks
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SEN. JOHN KERRY ON PASSING A TRADE AGREEMENT WITH VIETNAM. WASHINGTON
 
SEN. JOHN KERRY ON PASSING A TRADE AGREEMENT WITH VIETNAM

WASHINGTON - 05.31.01 | "Building a workable, normal, modern trading relationship with Vietnam is in many respects one of the final battles we must fight to end the War in Vietnam. Over the years many of us who fought there worked to win benefits for those who served, from recognition of post-Vietnam stress syndrome to treatment for victims of Agent Orange, and for the accountability John McCain and I sought on our committee on the POW/MIA issue. But there's always been another front on which we've fought, starting with our efforts to have normalized diplomatric relations, to make it possible for the first American President since the end of the War to visit Vietnam, and year in and year out John McCain and I have testified and made our case for a Jackson-Vanik waiver. Now we have an opportunity to really move beyond those annual, short term decisions and build a long term relationship with Vietnam that's in the interests of both nations, and which will continue to secure the United States as a world leader in the global economy, particularly in Southeast Asia."

-- Senator John Kerry

Jackson-Vanik waiver


2 posted on 08/31/2003 12:47:15 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: cksharks
What did the Kerrys get in return?

Exclusive rights to all Ketchup imports....< snicker/>

3 posted on 08/31/2003 12:48:46 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (Get your "" NO 2 CLINTON #2 "" bumper sticker....coming soon)
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googling for, kerry senator vietnam normalization

turned up "John Kerry wanted to have normalized relations with Hanoi so that real estate associates could do business in Vietnam and make money."

"Kerry and McCain: Liars," By John Leboutillier on 04/08/03

www.americandaily.com/nucleus/plugins/print/print.php?itemid=206

There were about 600 hits not all of them with this kind of info but there was a very interesting Jacoby article and comments from Vietnamese who are more patriotic Americans than Kerry now-a-days -- just in case no one has mentioned it in the news media or the Democrat Party, Kerry is a Vietnam combat veteran.

4 posted on 08/31/2003 12:57:22 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: cksharks
 This is what Kerry did.....

Kerry (D-MA) Inaction Kills Human Rights Legislation

Sen. KERRY / Communist Vietnamese Killing Off Christians in Central Highlands...Green Berets for Human Rights ^ | 4-18-2002 | JOHN

Kerry (D-MA) Inaction Kills Human Rights Legislation
http://www.gb4hr.net/Pages/Kerry%20Stalls%20Human%20Rights%20Legislation.htm

NEVER FORGET

From JOHN HANSCOM - Green Berets for Human Rights @.. www.gb4hr.com ..

KERRY (D-MA) Kills Human Rights

WASHINGTON - Despite growing calls from human rights groups, US Army Special Forces veterans, and pleas from homeless refugees fleeing genocide Senate JOHN KERRY (D-MA) has successfully stalled the Vietnam Human Rights Act (Senate Bill HR-2833) for over half a year. http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c107query.html#billno  Fetch, then enter H.R.2833

There are 3 versions of Bill Number H.R.2833 for the 107th Congress

H.R.2833.EH Viet Nam Human Rights Act (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House)

H.R.2833.IH  Viet Nam Human Rights Act (Introduced in House)

H.R.2833.PCS Viet Nam Human Rights Act (Placed on Calendar in Senate)

...The stalled Bill would have sanctioned the communist Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV) against further racially based sterilization, terrorism and genocide of the Christian hilltribe Degar peoples living in the Central Highlands region of the country.

...Why is Senator KERRY stalling this vital human rights legislation?

...The Degar tribes people, commonly known to westerners as the -MONTAGNARDS-, are ethnically unrelated to the Vietnamese. The Central Highlands region was never a traditional part of Vietnam. The region has been the home of the Degar tribes for at least a ..1,000.. years.

...With HR-2833 stalled by JOHN KERRY of Massachusetts, the DRV is free to continue without restriction its ethnic cleansing of the Degar Christians in the Central Highlands region in an attempt to gain control of the Degar land and resources.

...As recently as 1970 there were an estimated ..3,000,000.. Montagnards in various tribes living in the region but as a result of Vietnam's ongoing campaign of ethnic terror and extermination, the total population of Montagnards is now ...BELOW 650,000...!!!

...Nearly two thirds of the Montagnards have died in only 32 years, including more than half the male population. This is undisguised genocide.

...This is why HR-2833 was passed without delay through the House of Representatives last summer by a margin of 411 to 1 to bring an immediate halt to this tragic situation. The Bill was then rushed to the Senate where immediate passage was expected due to the urgency of the current situation.

...Then JOHN KERRY entered the picture and people kept dying.

...For over 7 months now, since early September 2001 Senator JOHN KERRY of Massachusetts has deliberately thwarted all attempts to bring HR-2833 to the floor for a vote.

...KERRY deliberate sabotage of the most urgent human rights legislation since the 1950's has caused grave concern in the human rights community, especially because there is no explanation for his position and all attempts to contact the Senator on this issue have been ignored by his office.

...JOHN KERRY needs to do some explaining before this gets worse.

...The Daily Catholic is listing JOHN KERRY as a .."HEROD's HERO".. for having the second worst human rights record in the US Congress.

...A Montagnard source informed us it was common knowledge in the mid-1970's Degar community that there were serious business dealings involving KERRY and the late Secretary of Commerce RON BROWN with the new incoming communist DRV government. Windfall profits of more than ..$500,000.. each for both RON BROWN and JOHN KERRY were reported by this source. A source outside the Degar community relates that KERRY has proposed future business dealings with the communist Democratic Republic of Vietnam.

...Several sources within the US military recall how JOHN KERRY was given a questionable medal for heroism for shooting a man who was already dead or dying in exchange for Kerry's recommending a paper medal in return for another Navy 'hero' who was anxious to get a decoration before his tour was over.

...Has Senator JOHN KERRY been pressured by the DRV to kill or stall Bill HR-2833 in exchange for silence and future favors? Is this why Senator KERRY is so eager to grant Most Favored Nation (MFN) trade status for the DRV?

...Kerry's inaction on HR-2833 allows the DRV's genocide and sterilization programs in the Central Highlands region to continue today. Is Senator KERRY going to stall HR-2833 until the region is under complete control of the Vietnamese, all the Degar Montagnard peoples driven out or killed, before KERRY allows the Vietnam Human Rights onto the Senate floor for a vote?

Copyright 2002 Green Berets for Human Rights www.gb4hr.net

 


5 posted on 08/31/2003 1:00:17 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: cksharks
KEEP YOUR HEART STRONG..!!!
6 posted on 08/31/2003 1:03:04 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: cksharks
Did a Google search on Jackson-Vanik Waiver. It appears one of its provisions is implementation of PL480, which promotes sales of U. S. agricultural products.

Heinz?

PL480

8 posted on 08/31/2003 1:07:00 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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These waivers will allow programs such as those of the EX-IM Bank, Maritime Administration Title II, and PL-480 to operate in Vietnam.
9 posted on 08/31/2003 1:10:00 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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Ð&#7843;ng C&#7897;ng Hoà California &#7910;ng H&#7897; D&#7921; Lu&#7853;t Nhân Quy&#7873;n


Thông tin Nhân quy&#7873;n

American Vietnamese Republican Assembly
Hoi Cong Hoa Viet My
A Unit of California Republican Assembly chartered by California Republican Party

Press Release

For contact: Gwen Dyrud @ (949) 863-9442 or BachLien T. TranBatdorf (714) 533-2669

Without a dissenting voice the California Republican Assembly State Convention in Pomona passed a Resolution on Sunday April 21, calling on Senator John Kerry (D-MA) and all other the U.S. Senators to allow the Vietnam Human Rights Act. H.R. 2833 to go to the floor for ratification.

This Resolution was requested by the American Vietnamese Republican Assembly of Orange County (AVRAOC) to be drafted by Alfred Borbon, member of the Resolution Committee, where it was presented and adopted unanimously by the whole AVRAOC on April 14. Borbon then carried the Resolution to the Convention where it was eagerly ratified.

The Vietnam Human Rights Act has been introduced by Rep. Christopher Smith (R-NJ), the Vice Chairman of the House International Relations Committee and was overwhelmingly approved by the U.S. House of Representatives with a vote of 410/1 on September 6, 2001.

This Human Rights Act was created as United States Policy with the objective of promoting the development of freedom and democracy in Vietnam, including programs of educational and cultural exchanges. The Human Rights Act was received by the Senate on September 10, 2001 and was placed in the Legislative Calendar for ratification. However Senator John Kerry (D-MA), Chairman of the Asian Pacific Affairs Committee has refused to allow this legislation to go to the Senate floor for debate and vote. That legislation is pending in the Senate.

H. R. 2833 authorizes assistance to nongovernmental organizations committed to promoting freedom and democracy in Vietnam. Co-sponsors of the H! .R. 2833 include Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, Ed Royce, Loretta Sanchez, Tom Davis, Joe Lofgren, Frank Wolf, Ben Gilman, Ileana, Ros-Lehtinen, Dan Burton, Cynthia McKinney and Mark Souder. STATUS: (color indicates Senate actions)

On 9/5/2001 the H.R. 2833 was Referred to the House for ratification and passed by a vote of 410 Yeas and 1 Nay: (Roll no. 335). (text: CR H5413-54! 15, then received in the Senate on 9/10/2001, read the second time and placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders.

Calendar No. 160 on 9/13/2001.

BachLien T. TranBatdorf, Founding President of the AVRAOC and long-time human rights activist in Southern California for Viet Nam, strongly endorses this Resolution. Previously, she has collected thousands of petitions demanding human rights and religious freedom for the people of Vietnam. For instance, on October 11, 2001 she joined with other human rights activists to submit 12,000 petitions to Senator Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein urging Senator John Kerry to allow a vote on H.R. 2833 and asking other Senators to support this legislation. In May 1999, TranBatdorf presented 8,000 petitions to Rep. Edward Royce (R-CA), which then moved him to go to Viet Nam to meet with the courageous dissident the Venerable Thich Quang Do, who has been under house arrest for many years. In addition, she had joined with Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA), and some religious leaders of the Unified Buhddist Church of Viet Nam and confronted Bill Clinton's staff demanding human rights and religious freedom for Vietnam with 10,000 petitions on July 8, 1999 at the Marriott Hotel in Anaheim, California during Clinton's speech at the Digitally Challenged Convention.

The American Vietnamese Republican Assembly joins the 12,000 members of the California Republican Assembly in the strongest of pleas that Senator John Kerry and other Senators to endorse the Resolution in support of the H.R. 2833 approved just last Sunday.

In addition to these specific lobbies, the American Vietnamese Republican Assembly encourages all concerned citizens to go to their Senators Offices for a rally asking for their votes on the Human Rights Act soon before it becomes invalid. Remember to bring signs saying Please vote on Vietnam Human Rights Act -- HR 2833.

For the address/phone/fax numbers of your Senators, please click on this link: http://www.senate.gov/contacting/index_by_state.cfm

VIETNAM HUMAN RIGHTS ACT - H.R. 2833

WHEREAS, the communist ruled government of Vietnam has been regularly criticized for decades by international human rights groups for its brutal repression of political and religious dissidents;

WHEREAS, this Human Rights act will establish as policy of the United States, programs of educational and cultural exchange with Vietnam that actively promote progress toward freedom and democracy, and;

WHEREAS, this Human Rights Act mandates that the Communist government of Vietnam make substantial progress toward releasing all political and religious prisoners from imprisonment, house arrest, and other forms of detention;

WHEREAS, this Human Rights Act will require the President to determine whether Hanoi has made substantial progress in the release of political and religious prisoners, before approving aid;

WHEREAS, this Human Rights Act will require measures be taken to overcome the jamming of Radio Free Asia by Communist government of Vietnam;

WHEREAS, this Human Rights Act was introduced by Rep. Christopher Smith, R-NJ, on September 5, 2001 and passed on September 6, 2001 in the U. S. House of Representatives by a vote of 410 to 1;

WHEREAS, this Human Rights Act was received in the U.S. Senate on September 10, 2001, read for the second time and placed on the Senate Legislative Calendar for ratification;

WHEREAS, U.S. Senator John Kerry, D-MA, has refused to allow this Human Rights legislation to go to the Senate floor for a debate and vote;

BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED that the California Republican Assembly calls upon the Democratic Senator from Massachusetts to allow this Human Rights Act to go to the Senate Floor for debate and vote;

BE IT FURTHER THEREFORE RESOVED that the California Republican Assembly urges all U.S. Senators to support this legislation and to join with the Vietnamese people in their quest for freedom.

Adopted - April 21, 2002

California Republican Assembly Convention Pomona, California

Submitted by: Alfred Borbon, AVRAOC Resolution Committee
BachLien T. TranBatdorf, Founding President American Vietnamese Republican Assembly of Orange County (AVRAOC)


10 posted on 08/31/2003 1:35:16 PM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (Get your "" NO 2 CLINTON #2 "" bumper sticker....coming soon)
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Don't fail to mention the disastrous influence this pair had in preventing MIA/POW issues from being raised with Congressional committees and Vietnam.
11 posted on 08/31/2003 1:35:55 PM PDT by meenie
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Did I mention the disastrous influence this pair had in preventing MIA/POW issues from being raised with Congressional committees and Vietnam?

How's that?

12 posted on 08/31/2003 1:39:06 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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Right after I Posted this I was forced at gunpoint to take my wife to Red Lobster for dinner lol :-}}.Thanks for the info. This still doesnt say what Kerry or his cronies received for payback. We know McCains was blantant payback for his favor.
13 posted on 08/31/2003 5:21:34 PM PDT by cksharks
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Pure conjecture on my part, of course.

Heinz states on its website that 60% of its business is foreign. Since the French-looking Senator's wife is Theresa Heinz, a new market for the company in Viet Nam could only enhance the family fortune and war chest.

14 posted on 08/31/2003 5:56:35 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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I did not read the entire article I referenced in my post above. However, I did include the author's comment that some friends of Kerry's would profit from normalization. I just guessed that the author would explain. If not there was enough info to google for more spedific info. I thought that is what you were lookihng for.
15 posted on 08/31/2003 6:55:20 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael
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