Gay couple protests after Catholic school denies daughter's entry

The Olympian ^ | 8/30/03 | AP

[I_Love_My_Husband]

EUGENE, Ore. -- A lesbian couple alleges that O'Hara Catholic School refused admission to their 4-year-old daughter because of their sexual orientation.

The couple has complained to the Eugene Human Rights Commission and the Oregon Child Care Division.

One of the women, Lee Inkmann, said O'Hara Principal Dianne Bert told her in mid-August that having a family with two mothers at the school would confuse other children, and that gay unions are in conflict with Vatican teachings.

[ChemistCat]

Which means you can't refute anything, so you pull out the convenient ad hominem--an irrelevant one to boot.

[ninenot]

Are you posting to THIS thread?

Please explain why LDS-run schools for LDS children would be a "danger to the faith" of LDS'rs--then you can go back to non-sequiturs.

Thanks.

[saradippity]

Go fix your own sect,true charity begins at home.You are such a liberal,busy telling other people how to live their life and how to spend their money.

[Jorge]

Jorge "You can't show me anything "anti-Catholic" about my posts."

You Jorge are first and foremost pro-homosexual.

You GirlShortstop are first and foremost a liar.

My position has always been in agreement with the Bible that homosexuality is a sin, and a violation of God's created intent for human sexuality.

I have NEVER taken a position other than that on this or any other board.

Furthermore I've spend years debating and opposing pro-homosexuals and so called "gay Christians" both here and in the Christianity online forum previously for 5 years.

I know the pro-gay arguments inside and out and am willing to bet I can expose their errors better than you ever could.

Your big problem is that I disagree with the hatemongers who spend their time on FR bashing gays.
And that I don't agree with bigoted hypocrites who call themselves "Christians" while expressing nothing but unChristian hatred.

In anycase I challange you to find anything to support your accusations.
The fact is you can't.

[Jorge]

Reminds me of "They like having their own schools. They're happier that way. That way they don't know any different."

Well said.
Unfortunately there are some on these boards who are so full of malice toward the lesbian mothers, they would rather reject innocent children than recognize this opportunity to do something positive for them.

Oh that's right...in their minds if I want to see anything good happen to the children (of lesbians) I must therefore be pro-lesbian and a Catholic hater.

It is really sad to see how blinded some people have become by hatred and resentment of others whom they look down on as sinners. And they pressume to speak for the faith, much like the Pharisees did of course.

[ChemistCat]

I don't know any such thing--that was only a guess on my part. If it was needful, we'd do it; therefore, for some reason, it is not needful.

[saradippity]

I am trying to figure you out and I think it may be that you are more "progressive" than many of us are. I am responding to a post wherein you responded to chemcat.

It seems you attribute "hate" to those who prefer to look at history,facts and consequences when making decisions.Others,and I believe you may be one of the "others",look only to the here and now,and the effects of the decision made on that basis as the only criteria for the decision.It seems to me that your view places feelings first,and the other puts thinking in the first position.

Did you ever read Thomas Sowell's "A Conflict In Visions"? I think it explains pretty clearly what happens when people with different visions exchange views.

[GirlShortstop]

Your big problem is that I disagree with the hatemongers who spend their time on FR bashing gays.
And that I don't agree with bigoted hypocrites who call themselves "Christians" while expressing nothing but unChristian hatred.

You go right ahead Jorge, rant about some hate, hone your vituperative skills, throw in a few more slurs... that will definitely further your argument.  </sarcasm off>     I will not apologize for identifying what I see as pro-homosexual, and anti-Catholic sentiments.

"My problem", is that you *still* have no answer to the inital question Jorge:
post 88:       Perhaps if you'd like to "side with" the lesbians, you can offer a reason why these two would *want* to foist a Catholic education on the child?

"heads up" ping to those who've taken time to articulate what is wrong with the lesbians demanding that O'Hara Catholic School accept "their" daughter:    you may, or not be a "hatemonger", "bigoted hypocrite" or "gay basher" according to [the very Christian!] Jorge.

[ninenot]

Your big problem is that I disagree with the hatemongers who spend their time on FR bashing gays. And that I don't agree with bigoted hypocrites who call themselves "Christians" while expressing nothing but unChristian hatred.

Hatemongers? Back to name-calling, Jorge-porgy, pudding?

Regrettably, advising someone that they are living in flagrant violation of God's laws is not "hatemongering." It is charity.

Your understanding is seriously deficient--Newsflash!

[ninenot]

Unfortunately there are some on these boards who are so full of malice toward the lesbian mothers, they would rather reject innocent children than recognize this opportunity to do something positive for them.

Wrong again, calumiator/hatemonger.

It is not malicious to point out that someone is on the Royal Road to Hell. It is, in fact, an OBLIGATION to do so.

Compounding the abuse of the kid by forcing her to choose between her parent/?/(s)(?) and God's teaching is decidedly not nice.

Your understanding is seriously deficient. (No longer a newsflash!!!)

[ninenot]

You are the one who made the statement--I only repeated it.

Now--when is your Lutheran school taking this child? Have you persuaded them of the virtue of your arguments?

Until you do, please keep your advice to yourself as to the moral issues involved with administration of a Catholic school.

[Jorge]

Are you too cowardly to state your faith? Guess you're about as Catholic as Luther.

Actually I've stated my faith many times on this board.

I believe all the fundamental tenants of Biblical Christianity, which makes me a fundamentalist Christian..though I probably don't fit the stereo-type.

I am non-demonational and have attended all kind of churches including Pentecostal, Baptist and Catholic.

I don't agree with some things taught by certain churches including some Catholic teachings.
Does that make me anti-Catholic?
I don't think so.

I've also opposed Catholic bashers who reject their faith. In my opinion Catholics believe the fundamentals of Christianity and are genuine Christains.

Never the less I disagree with the decision of this Catholic school to deny this little girl entry.

[GirlShortstop]

Never the less I disagree with the decision of this Catholic school to deny this little girl entry.

Very well then Jorge.
Peace.

[GrandMoM]

....your wrong Jorge. This is a Pandora's Box that should be kept locked, lest our Catholic School's become as gruesome as the public schools!

Soon , in the name of diversity they would have to change religion classes to Mary was a lebo and Jesus a transvestite!(sp). Think about it!!!

[Jorge]

I am trying to figure you out and I think it may be that you are more "progressive" than many of us are.

"Progressive" is of course the nice term for liberal. LOL.
I consider myself generally conservative.
I'm not sure my disagreements with others on this issue come down to a conservative vs liberal thing, but you are welcome to present any examples that you think show otherwise.

It seems you attribute "hate" to those who prefer to look at history,facts and consequences when making decisions.

I'm open to hearing out anyone who disagrees with me based on "history, facts and consequences".
That's reasonable.

What I attribute "hate" to are posts that are hateful.
They not only don't include any of the substance you mention, but don't articulate any consistant or coherant position on anything.

[Polycarp]

Just ignore Jorge. Everybody knows to ignore the pro-homo caucus here.

[Polycarp]

Just ignore Jorge. He's one of the few token professional pro-homo apologists here on FR. I think they let him stay because he's not quite as offensive as, say, your typical NAMBLA member.

[Jorge]

....your wrong Jorge. This is a Pandora's Box that should be kept locked, lest our Catholic School's become as gruesome as the public schools!

Please explain how you think this little girl is going to change the Catholic school system.

Should the Catholic schools also ban the children of divorced parents, since divorce is also prohibited according to Church teachings?

This reminds me of when illegitimate children had to live in shame for their parent's mistake.

I think the Church and Catholic schools should be able to be charitable in these cases without compromising their moral convictions.

Soon , in the name of diversity they would have to change religion classes to Mary was a lebo and Jesus a transvestite!(sp). Think about it!!!

I completely oppose the sort of "rainbow curriculum" we've seen tried in NY that attempted to teach children that homosexuality is a normal and acceptable alternative to heterosexuality.
That was rightfully discontinued after parents protested...
If public schools in NYC rejected this, is no way Catholic schools would accept such a thing.

And again, I don't see how having a child of a homosexual attend a school is a real threat to the school.

[Jorge]

Just ignore Jorge. He's one of the few token professional pro-homo apologists here on FR. I think they let him stay because he's not quite as offensive as, say, your typical NAMBLA member.

Do you actually think you can silence those who disagree with you by calling them "pro-homo apologists"?
And why do you want people to ignore me?
What are you afraid of?

I'm not the only Bible believing Christian who you've thrown your contempt and wild accusations at, simply for disagreeing with you.

I'll paraphrase one of the emails I got from another one;

*While I share the Biblical view and that of the Church on homosexuality, and oppose the pro-gay agenda, I feel that Polycarp's uncritical acceptance for anything that supports his position and his brazen and self-righteous damnation of anyone who dares to question him, demonstrates what he is all about.
Disagreement with Polycarp is akin to heresy, at least in his misguided opinion.

Just wanted to let you know that not all Catholic FReepers adhere to that kind of rank zealotry.
Remember what James says about would-be spiritual teachers who become conceited ... they are to suffer the same penalty as the devil.

Polycarp's biggest problem is that in his worldview, ALL those who disagree with him are not merely wrong but EVIL.
And he thinks this gives him the right to accuse them of anything under the sun. It's very difficult to deal rationally with such people.*

This says it all.
Just because we believe the Bible that homosexuality is a sin doesn't mean that we have to join in your deranged obession with bashing gays.
I really feel sorry for you Polycarp.

[Polycarp]

I really feel sorry for you Polycarp

That's nice. Thanks for sharing your opinion.