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The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
The Bible - Luke 18 ^
| about 1970 years ago
| Jesus Christ
Posted on 08/28/2003 12:24:49 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector
9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about[1] himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.' 13 "But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.' 14 "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."
TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Alabama; US: Mississippi; Your Opinion/Questions
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I didn't hear him demanding that his critics be silenced or removed permanently.
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posted on
08/28/2003 1:24:17 PM PDT
by
AppyPappy
(If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
To: MEGoody
At the time Rosa Parks made her stand, there were many who thought she was making her perception of a wrong out of whole cloth.Yes, that would be the prevalent view of Southern populist "states' rights" folks of that time. Amazing coincidence how this notion of grandstanding "form over substance" populism always springs from the same soil, isn't it?
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posted on
08/28/2003 1:25:02 PM PDT
by
Chancellor Palpatine
("What if the Hokey Pokey is really what its all about?" - Jean Paul Sartre)
To: MEGoody
It seems that only Moore's monument is being singled out here. Yeh, by Moore.
To: AppyPappy
You know full well his statements that he is required to acknowledge the God of the Bible, and that he simply couldn't remove it (despite the fact that Alabama functioned for about a baker's dozen decades without that monument).
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posted on
08/28/2003 1:27:38 PM PDT
by
Chancellor Palpatine
("What if the Hokey Pokey is really what its all about?" - Jean Paul Sartre)
To: HurkinMcGurkin
Then where is it? It sounds to me like the government removed it.
65
posted on
08/28/2003 1:27:59 PM PDT
by
AppyPappy
(If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
To: Chancellor Palpatine
Is that his right to express his beliefs? Or have we taken that away too?
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posted on
08/28/2003 1:28:40 PM PDT
by
AppyPappy
(If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
To: AppyPappy
As I recall (and we can dig those up), he said he couldn't add any other iconic statury or items to the display because they weren't on the same level as his God (or something to that effect).
That isn't speech, that is establishment.
The other thing is that I don't care who Roy criticizes, and I don't care if people want to criticize government in government buildings. The fact is, though, he doesn't get to do what he tried - whats more important, a conservative appellate court agrees with my position.
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posted on
08/28/2003 1:31:42 PM PDT
by
Chancellor Palpatine
("What if the Hokey Pokey is really what its all about?" - Jean Paul Sartre)
To: AppyPappy
Huh? That makes no sense as a response to my comment.
To: Chancellor Palpatine
Shouldn't we excise all reference to the Deity from ALL courts and gov't buildings, including oral references in oaths?
69
posted on
08/28/2003 1:34:51 PM PDT
by
Taliesan
To: AppyPappy
He can express his beliefs as much as he wants outside that building and away from his official function. Considering that free speech rights are in the same amendment as the establishment clause, it is a simple logical step to balance that out and say "no acts establishing religion". Were we to take your view, the establishment clause would be meaningless, because any government official could try to trump out legal challenges to establishment by saying "I was just engaging in free speech".
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posted on
08/28/2003 1:35:48 PM PDT
by
Chancellor Palpatine
("What if the Hokey Pokey is really what its all about?" - Jean Paul Sartre)
To: Polycarp
Now I have an excuse not to do that silly dance at the next wedding reception.
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posted on
08/28/2003 1:35:58 PM PDT
by
kidd
To: Taliesan
Taking it out of oaths wouldn't bother me in the least, since everybody lies in testimony anyway.
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posted on
08/28/2003 1:36:50 PM PDT
by
Chancellor Palpatine
("What if the Hokey Pokey is really what its all about?" - Jean Paul Sartre)
To: Chancellor Palpatine
Do you think the men who wrote the bill of rights would object to a statue of the ten commandments in a government building?
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posted on
08/28/2003 1:37:45 PM PDT
by
Taliesan
To: Chancellor Palpatine
I didn't ask you if it would bother you. You are apparently making a constitutional argument here. Would that argument, whatever it is, spare the oaths and if so, why?
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posted on
08/28/2003 1:38:53 PM PDT
by
Taliesan
To: Chancellor Palpatine
What an absolute goon. Everybody lies in testimony anyway? You haven't been in court very much, if at all.
You miss the whole point and arguing a straw man. The monument does not express his particular beliefs, but has a historical significance in that the it is the legal foundation of modern law. Don't steal, don't murder, don't bear false witness, all codified in modern law in most civilized countries. We pay homage to the Constitution, and the Magna Charte, Moore was paying homage to something similar. The fact that it has a dual identity, one legal and spiritual, does nothing to diminish its importance in the western world's legal tradition.
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posted on
08/28/2003 1:42:46 PM PDT
by
job
(Dinsdale?Dinsdale?)
To: Taliesan
Whether they would have approved or not doesn't matter.
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posted on
08/28/2003 1:43:16 PM PDT
by
Chancellor Palpatine
("What if the Hokey Pokey is really what its all about?" - Jean Paul Sartre)
To: Taliesan
Considering that people do their oaths in so many different approved forms, its a bit of silly tradition that doesn't matter. If you don't want to make a religious oath, you're not forced to.
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posted on
08/28/2003 1:45:28 PM PDT
by
Chancellor Palpatine
("What if the Hokey Pokey is really what its all about?" - Jean Paul Sartre)
To: job
I'm trying to figure the relationship of the 10 Commandments to ERISA, the Railroad Retirement Act, CERCLA and local zoning ordinances, but I'm drawing blanks. Help a poor guy out, wouldja?
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posted on
08/28/2003 1:48:21 PM PDT
by
Chancellor Palpatine
("What if the Hokey Pokey is really what its all about?" - Jean Paul Sartre)
To: Chancellor Palpatine
If what the words meant to them doesn't matter, then they will mean whatever the majority wants them to mean to mean in any given generation, which means what they mean to you only matters this time.
Which means you aren't really making a constitutional argument; the establishment clause is just a convenient text for making the same argument you would make if the clause had never existed.
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posted on
08/28/2003 1:48:49 PM PDT
by
Taliesan
To: Chancellor Palpatine
The Ten Cmmandments are his god. He meant there was no reason to take them down and they were important to him. You are essentially criticizing him for his beliefs which is fine except the force of law was used to remove those words.
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posted on
08/28/2003 1:49:46 PM PDT
by
AppyPappy
(If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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