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Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a complaint against Judge Greer:
Various ^ | August 28, 2003

Posted on 08/28/2003 5:20:42 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl

Freepers, we may be able to help Terri:


I made some phone calls today and have the ULTIMATE PHONE CALL for registering a Complaint against Judge Greer. I can't reveal my sources but this is the phone number for a few pay grades above J. Greer.

Call the: Judicial Qualifications Commission at

#1-850-488-1581. I am complaining to them tomorrow that J. Greer isn't God, that he's been in the husband's corner since Day One, he doesn't care a wit about Terri's parents or her husband's attempt at medical neglect, and I'd like to know if Greer can be recalled or impeached.

HE SHOULD HAVE OR COULD HAVE HONORED GOV. BUSH'S REQUEST TO ASSIGN A GUARDIAN AD LITEM to represent Terri's interest instead of once again, taking the side of the husband. Judge Greer is from the Sixth Circuit Court, Pinellas County.

Oh, and ping everybody you can think of.

72 posted on 08/27/2003 5:06 PM EDT by floriduh voter


From summer:

"..do a separate thread asking people to call this phone number FV provided. This could get a guardian appointed if the judge is tossed off the case for BIAS."


Background:

8 Jeb Bush intervenes for Schindler-Schiavo -   WND | 8/26

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has asked a judge to delay setting a date for removal of a feeding tube sustaining the life of a brain-disabled woman, Terri Schindler-Schiavo.

In a letter, Bush asked Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Judge George W. Greer yesterday to keep her alive until a court-appointed guardian can "independently investigate the circumstances of this case and provide the court with an unbiased view that considers the best interests of Mrs. Schiavo."


8 From JEB to FR: Full text of Gov Bush's letter to Judge Greer re: Terri Schiavo. Email from Gov Bush to summer, for FR | 8/27

 ----- Original Message -----
From: [Governor Bush's office]
To: [summer's email]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:06 AM
Subject: Letter regarding Terri Schiavo

> August 26, 2003

> The Honorable George W. Greer
> Judge, Sixth Judicial Circuit
> 315 Court Street, Room 484
> Clearwater, Florida 33756

Dear Judge Greer:

> I appreciate the challenging legal and ethical issues before you in the case > of Terri Schiavo. As I have expressed over the course of the past several > weeks, our system of government has committed these decisions to the > judicial branch, and we must respect that process. Consistent with this > principle, I normally would not address a letter to a judge in a pending > legal proceeding. However, my office has received over 27,000 emails > reflecting understandable concern for the well being of Terri Schiavo. > Given that there is no procedural avenue available for these views to be > expressed to you in the normal course of the proceedings, I feel compelled > to write in the hopes that you will give serious consideration to > re-appointment of a guardian ad litem for Mrs. Schiavo before permitting the > removal of her feeding tube or other actions calculated to end her life.

> This case represents the disturbing result of a severe family disagreement > in extremely trying circumstances. Emotions are high, accusations abound, > and at the heart of this public and private maelstrom is a young woman > incapable of speaking for herself.

> I am disturbed by new rumors about the guardian's actions related to the > current care of Mrs. Schiavo. It has come to my attention that Mrs. Schiavo > has contracted a life threatening illness, and that she may be denied > appropriate treatment. If true, this indicates a decision by her caregivers > to initiate an "exit protocol" that may include withholding treatment from > Mrs. Schiavo until her death, which would render this Court's ultimate > decision moot. While the issue of Mrs. Schiavo's care is still before the > Court, I urge you to ensure that no act of omission or commission be allowed > to adversely affect Mrs. Schiavo's health before the September 11th hearing > you have set. No one involved should be permitted to circumvent due process > or the Court's authority in order to achieve personal objectives in this > case.

> Even discounting these rumors, there are a number of factual disputes > regarding Mrs. Schiavo's medical condition, past and current care and > therapy, and her prognosis. Given the contradictory positions of her > guardian and other family members, I respectfully ask that you re-appoint a > qualified guardian ad litem to independently investigate the circumstances > of this case, and provide the Court an unbiased view that considers only the > best interests of Mrs. Schiavo.

> It is a fine balance between Mrs. Schiavo's right to privacy and her right > to life, both of which are co-equal in our Constitution. To err on one side > is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes, and continue the > debate. To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no > remediation. I respectfully ask that you give Mrs. Schiavo's family the > opportunity to present any new evidence as to her wishes. Evidence as to > her wishes should be reweighed as often as necessary to take into account > the effect of any new evidence, that is, to determine whether "clear and > convincing evidence" still exists that Mrs. Schiavo would now choose > withdrawal of life-prolonging procedures. While this process may delay the > surrogate's exercise of Mrs. Schiavo's privacy rights, it is necessary to > avoid denying her right to life. I urge you to err on the side of > conservative judgment to ensure that all facts can be uncovered and > considered before her life is terminated.

> I appreciate your compassion for Mrs. Schiavo's plight, and that of the > family members locked in dispute in these tragic circumstances. In light of > the ongoing contention related to so many issues in this case, I hope you > will consider appointing a guardian ad litem to ensure that the ultimate > decision is based on facts presented clearly, unclouded and uncolored by > personal interests of litigants.

> Sincerely,

> Jeb Bush

> cc: Patricia Fields Anderson, Esq.
> George J. Felos, Esq.


(WND article excerpts, cont.:) "On Friday, the Florida Supreme Court refused to intervene in the case, clearing the way for a Sept. 11 hearing in which Greer would set a date for removal of the feeding tube.

Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler of Gulf Port, Fla., have been locked in a decade-long legal battle with their son-in-law over the care and custody of their daughter, who suffered massive brain damage when she collapsed at her home 13 years ago under unexplained circumstances at the age of 26.

***The bitter dispute over Terri's lack of care became a major euthanasia battle five years ago when her husband Michael Schiavo petitioned the court for permission to have her feeding tube removed, claiming she is in a persistent vegetative state and would not want to be kept alive "artificially." The Schindlers and a number of doctors and therapists believe she could be rehabilitated, but the courts have consistently sided with Schiavo and his lawyer, right-to-die advocate George Felos.

~~~~

The article is on CNSNews.com.

Florida Judge Rejects Governor's Bid to Help Terri Schiavo
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Congressional Bureau Chief
August 27, 2003

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - Florida Circuit Judge George Greer Tuesday rejected a plea from Governor Jeb Bush to appoint a guardian ad litem to represent the best interests of Terri Schindler Schiavo, a 39-year-old disabled woman who suffered a brain injury in 1990 under questionable circumstances. Bush had intervened Monday after receiving 27,000 email messages asking for his help on Terri's behalf.

"I read [Gov. Bush's letter] because it came from the governor and I respect his position," Greer told the Tampa Tribune. "Beyond that, it is going in the file."

As CNSNews.com previously reported, Bush wrote Greer Monday asking him not to remove the disabled woman's feeding tube until a new guardian ad litem could "independently investigate" her condition. In the letter, Bush referenced the "fine balance between Mrs. Schiavo's right to privacy and her right to life," which Bush noted are co-equal under the Constitution.

"To err on one side is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes and to continue the debate," Bush wrote. "To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no remediation."

But Greer told the Associated Press that he no longer has a choice in the matter.

"Frankly, I think I'm operating under a mandate from the 2nd District Court of Appeals," Greer said, "and frankly I don't think I can stray from that mandate."

In that same interview, however, the judge contradicted his own assessment of the limitation on his authority by stating that he was "not inclined" to appoint a guardian ad litem.

Michael Schiavo called Gov. Bush's intervention on behalf of Terri "crazy."

"The governor has deliberately twisted the facts in this case in an apparent effort to kowtow to his right-to-life political supporters," Schiavo told Tampa Tribune reporter David Sommer. "This has nothing to do with him. He should stay out of it."

Schiavo - who, for five years, has been seeking judicial approval to end his wife's life by denying her nutrition and hydration - also accused Terri's parents of manipulating their Catholic faith to keep their daughter alive.

"I believe in God and so did (?) Terri," Schiavo said, speaking of his still living wife in the past tense, "but they are out to push it on people... suddenly they are on a religious kick."

Judge refuses motion for hearing to set 'death date'

Greer also denied a motion Tuesday to hold an immediate hearing to set a date for the removal of Terri's nutrition and hydration tube. The hearing will be held, as previously announced, on Sept. 11. At that hearing, Greer will also rule on whether Schiavo may legally prohibit Terri's priest from visiting her.

Schiavo's attorney, George Felos, had also petitioned the court Monday to prohibit doctors from caring for Terri's current fever, labored breathing, vomiting, diarrhea and a "substantial infection."

"Given the imminence of the ward's death, further treatment (other than comfort care) for the ward's infection and other medical problems is unnecessary, unwarranted, inappropriate and futile," Felos said in an emergency motion, adding that Terri, "should be put back in hospice and receive comfort care and die in a peaceful setting."

Greer denied that motion, as well.

55 posted on 08/27/2003 5:29 PM EDT by yhwhsman ("Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small..." -Sir Winston Churchill)


Michael Schiavo is using "privacy" as an excuse for denying Terri every contact from the outside world, even flowers. "One sign of the case's nastiness is the Schindlers' complaint that Schiavo limits their visits with their daughter. They also say he has refused to allow doctors to examine her, refused her antibiotics and needed dental work, refused to replace a broken wheelchair so she could be taken outdoors and refused the delivery of flowers from a friend to her room on her birthday."

"Her teeth are fine; she doesn't eat," Michael Schiavo said. "Why take her to a gynecologist? She was supposed to die months ago. I don't want her room filled with flowers from strangers or right-to-life activists. Even though she is vegetative she has a right to privacy."

17 posted on 08/27/2003 10:14 AM EDT by I still care

***

I thought Gov Bush very eloquently made his case here, in this part:

To err on one side is to prolong her existence, perhaps against her wishes, and continue the debate. To err on the other is an irrevocable act that affords no remediation.

18 posted on 08/27/2003 10:14 AM EDT by summer


***

..this judge is going to look really bad if this part is ignored by the judge:

Even discounting these rumors, there are a number of factual disputes > regarding Mrs. Schiavo's medical condition, past and current care and > therapy, and her prognosis. Given the contradictory positions of her > guardian and other family members

21 posted on 08/27/2003 10:17 AM EDT by summer

***

HE SHOULD HAVE OR COULD HAVE HONORED GOV. BUSH'S REQUEST TO ASSIGN A GUARDIAN AD LITEM to represent Terri's interest instead of once again, taking the side of the husband. Judge Greer is from the Sixth Circuit Court, Pinellas County.

That is one thing that floors me .. This Judge should have long ago appointed an independent Guardian Ad Litem and not left her husband as her sole guardian .. especially since there are questions about her husband with abuse and the fractured bones that were reveled in xrays of Terry.

Everything I have read .. this Judge seems hell bent on having her killed

73 posted on 08/28/2003 2:45 AM EDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)

***

I know that Mr. Schiavo has tried to ban Terri's mother and family and priest from seeing her.

But, I don't know how a court could prevent doctors from ordering therapy, speach therapy (which is often actually swallowing therapy) and most especially oral nutrition.

27 posted on 08/26/2003 7:34 PM EDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)

***

Judge Greer has been with the husband since day one. A guardian ad litem would have been fair for Terri and her parents. Her parents love her but they are treated as the enemy. I'm ashamed this is happening in Pinellas County.

31 posted on 08/26/2003 7:41 PM EDT by floriduh voter


Judge Greer will not appoint a guardian ad litem. I have phone numbers from the phone book for the Clearwater Courthouse and all the guardianship phone numbers. He husband held a presser today and was very flippant about Jeb's letter and called the emailers a "bunch of right to lifers."

Hubby is looking a little nervous but with a pal like Judge Greer who is no Judge Moore, Terri has until the September 11 hearing to decide the date her starvation begins.

Here are the phone numbers: courthouse - 727-464-3000, guardianship numbers: 727-582-7563, 727-582-7771, and 727-464-8700. We can at least call as friends of Terri and voice our concerns.

25 posted on 08/26/2003 7:34 PM EDT by floriduh voter


Freepers, please call the Juducial Qualification Commission regarding Judge Greer:  1-850-488-1581.

***

Contact friends, thank those have been fighting on Terri's behalf, including Glenn Beck, Lars Larson, CNS News.com, WND, and Bill O'Reilly.

*** Terri Schindler Schiavo's website - background and news updates: www.terrisfight.org ***

8 Terri Schiavo's website Media Contacts

Governor Jeb Bush (R)
Office of The Governor
Florida Capitol Building, PL-05
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0001
(850) 488-7146
(850) 488-4441
jeb.bush@myflorida.com

The Honorable(?) George W. Greer
6th Judicial Circuit
315 Court Street, Room 484
Clearwater, FL 33756
(727) 464-3933
ggreer@co.pinellas.fl.us

Attorney General Charlie Crist
Office of Attorney General
State of Florida
The Capitol
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1050
(850) 487-1963
Fax: (850) 487-2564
ag@oag.state.fl.us



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To: agrace
Given the mini-bio at the bottom of the text, I'd presume she's his current item.
461 posted on 08/31/2003 1:36:03 PM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Don Joe
I missed the bio at the bottom, and you're right, it does say husband as in current, however, earlier on this thread, someone posted an article about George Felos that said he's twice divorced. Then I saw that her article was from the fall of 99, so she must be one of his exes.


462 posted on 08/31/2003 1:49:49 PM PDT by agrace
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To: agrace
"Michael Schiavo: I feel wonderful. She's my life and I wouldn't trade her for the world. I believe in my wedding vows. "

If he believed in wedding vows he wouldn't be shacked up with another woman and having kids with her. He's obviously a liar based on that comment alone.
463 posted on 08/31/2003 1:52:31 PM PDT by honeygrl
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Yes, he was allowed to pay legal fees with it!

Thanks! I hadn't seen that.

There's little to no mention of the costs of the nursing home and/or hospice.

I just finished reading the complaint filed yesterday. It mentioned that nothing has been to paid to Woodside yet. Here's what the complaint says (see page 19):

#52. It is believed that co-conspirator George J. Felos combined and conspired with defendant Michael Schiavo to arrange for Terri's "free" stay at Hospice Woodside as part of an "exit protocol" designed to advance Felos' self-perceived messianic mission of "helping" incapacitated people to die by categorizing them as "terminal", warehousing them, and depriving them of therapy and rehabilitation services.

Here's the link: Complaint

This is a must read! There are quotes from Felos' book "Litigation as a Spiritual Practice". He is a total nutcase! The complaint covers everything we've been talking about here. Violations of her civil rights, ADA laws, the suspicion of abuse, Felos' pro-euthanasia agenda... everything!

Also mentions that the guardian ad-litem, Pearse, was gotten rid of because Felos didn't like what he had to say in his affidavit!

464 posted on 08/31/2003 3:25:49 PM PDT by iowamomforfreedom (Why is it illegal to starve an animal but not a human being?)
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To: Don Joe
A cynical man might interpret that as a hope that she dies over the long holiday weekend, sparing them all the "trouble."

I fear you are correct.

465 posted on 08/31/2003 3:36:28 PM PDT by iowamomforfreedom (Why is it illegal to starve an animal but not a human being?)
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To: agrace
In all fairness to the FEDERAL Judge, these affidavits were filed Saturday and are new to the "case"...to the best of my knowledge.
466 posted on 08/31/2003 3:40:10 PM PDT by kimmie7 (I need more time, more coffee, and more bandwidth.)
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To: iowamomforfreedom
Thanks.. I gotta type this up and include in the text I typed up from the PDF's.

Thank you!
467 posted on 08/31/2003 3:42:53 PM PDT by pc93 (Murder of Terri Schindler by Michael Schiavo sanctioned by Jeb Bush and the Florida Supreme Court)
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To: floriduh voter
I'm painting my bathroom today. I think I saw a timeline on Terri's official page. Maybe my recollection is wrong. Anyway, riddle me this. 1. How long was George Felos on the Board of Hospice? Begin & End Date. 2. When did George Felos first have knowledge of Terri Schiavo? 3. When did Michael Schiavo hire George Felos?

1. He was Co-Director or on the board from '97 (pretty sure) until at least 1-16-01 (positive) -- that's when the paperwork was filed to have him removed. 2. I would think that, considering where his interest lie, he would have sought Terri out immediately upon appointment as chair, if not before. Perhaps that's why he enlisted. 3. I'm not sure. I don't believe Felos was his atty. during the malpractice suit, and he was in '01. Therefore '97 - '01 at least.

468 posted on 08/31/2003 3:48:13 PM PDT by kimmie7 (I need more time, more coffee, and more bandwidth.)
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To: RedRidingHood; yhwhsman; TheSpottedOwl; pc93; dandelion; GHCubana; iowamomforfreedom; Lovergirl; ...
Check this out from the Office of the Health & Human Services Inspector General. It appears there are others like Terri in that Hospice. Since this report is old -- who knows whether they have been "allowed to die" or not? Is Terri just another in a long list?

I got this review of Terri's facility from HHSIS' website. I would think (read = hope) that they would be interested in this action. And yes, they have a HOTLINE!!! The number follows at the end of my post.

This was in .pdf format, and I will e-mail it to anyone who wants it. I'm doing some comparison research that I think will be very telling and will post the results when I have it.

This is what the executive summary of the study/review of Suncoast had to say:

Our review included a medical evaluation of Suncoast's eligibility determinations for 364 beneficiaries who had been in hospice care for more than 210 days. Of the 364 cases, 237 were active in hospice at the time of our review and represented 26 percent of the total active Medicare hospice beneficiaries at Suncoast as of April 30, 1995. The review showed that:

176 of the beneficiaries were not eligible for hospice coverage; and,

for 118 beneficiaries, we were unable to conclusively determine their terminal illness.

and further down....

We believe the identified problems occurred for the 176 beneficiaries because hospice physicians made inaccurate prognoses of life expectancy based on the medical evidence in the patients' files. FOR THE 118 BENEFICIARIES, the evidence in the patient's medical files was not sufficient to determine that the beneficiary was terminally ill.

Disturbing, huh? Perhaps they would be interested in knowing just how disturbing that is to us. They have a hotline -- Contacting the HHS OIG Hotline

By Phone: 1-800-HHS-TIPS (1-800-447-8477)

By Fax: 1-800-223-8164

By E-Mail: HHSTips@oig.hhs.gov

By TTY: 1-800-377-4950

By Mail: Office of Inspector General Department of Health and Human Services Attn: HOTLINE 330 Independence Ave., SW Washington, DC 20201

All HHS and contractor employees have a responsibility to assist in combating fraud, waste and abuse in all departmental programs. As such you are encouraged to report matters involving fraud, waste and mismanagement in any departmental program(s) to the OIG. To assist you, the OIG maintains a hotline which offers a confidential means for reporting vital information.

INFORMATION IS FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY (For information on confidentiality please contact the hotline and ask about our confidentiality source program).

Each caller is encouraged to assist the OIG by providing information on how they can be contacted for additional information but CALLER MAY REMAIN ANONYMOUS.

469 posted on 08/31/2003 4:04:35 PM PDT by kimmie7 (I need more time, more coffee, and more bandwidth.)
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To: kimmie7; Don Joe
Thanks, my bad, Don Joe pointed that out to me as well. My confusion was a result of my brain disconnecting between how you headed the post and the content which told of events from years ago. Hopefully these will make the necessary difference.
470 posted on 08/31/2003 4:25:18 PM PDT by agrace
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To: kimmie7; windchime
IMO when he was on the Hospice Board, he had a fiduciary and oversight responsibility extended to each client-patient of the Hospice program. Did he breach that oversight responsibility when he became involved with Michael Schiavo? I think so because he sided with Michael when Atty Rep papers were signed. But, he and hubby were able to convince J. Greer that Terri wished to die. There is absolutely no way they could know that for certain.

Terri's existence shouldn't depend upon opportunitists' biased positions.

O' Reilly knows. John Kasich knows. CNS news - Jeff Johnson knows. World Net Daily knows. Drudge knows. Hannity knows. Columnist Mary Jo Melone knows. Columnist Debra J. Saunders knows. All Florida newspapers know. I know I've left out some media because this is snowballing.

I think that when Judge Greer put Gov. Bush's letter in the file, that was the beginning of the end of Judge Greer's career. Felos should have a Bar Complaint registered against him and Hospice should be investigated by 60 Minutes and I'll watch it for the first time in years.

471 posted on 08/31/2003 4:31:51 PM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: syriacus
Since this is not a state's right's issue. What difference does it make if some doc shows up from Ohio to render an "utterly impartial" opinion? Expert witness ARE PAID HIGH FEES TO APPEAR AS SUCH.

What does being from Ohio have to do with being utterly impartial? This is not about Florida as a whole. It's about one disabled woman. Their arguments and spin is weak and hopefully, they'll be all spun out soon if Federal Judge Richard Lazzarra puts a stop to this madness this coming Tuesday.

472 posted on 08/31/2003 4:37:50 PM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: iowamomforfreedom
Help! Any idea why I only get a blank page when I click on your complaint link? Obviously it works for you...anyone else have this problem? PDF files usually open just fine for me.
473 posted on 08/31/2003 4:42:04 PM PDT by agrace
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To: agrace
It's a rather large file, and it opened very slowly for me -and I'm on cable. Try it again and wait a couple of minutes and see if it works.
474 posted on 08/31/2003 4:46:44 PM PDT by iowamomforfreedom (Why is it illegal to starve an animal but not a human being?)
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To: iowamomforfreedom
Thanks, will just leave it open and see if it loads.
475 posted on 08/31/2003 4:47:32 PM PDT by agrace
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To: EricsMom
The lesson here is that even at a young age, we need to get our Wills and Living Wills that specify without a shadow of a doubt, what our last wishes are.

Dying with a Living Will means that someone like Attorney Felos has J. Greer's blessing to ship disabled spouses to hospice care to end their life. Felos is taking advantage of a young person who didn't take the time to draw up a proper Will, etc.

It reminds me of the Wizard of Oz after Dorothy throws a bucket of water on the Wicked Witch and she melts away. The Witches' Honor Guard wanted to make sure she was really dead & and then they celebrated.

Terri is not really in a vegitative state but they want to make sure that she's really dead. Nothing less will do unless Judge Greer or the 2nd DCA has a change of heart. Let's hope Greer sees the light of day and comes out of the darkness.

476 posted on 08/31/2003 4:49:26 PM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: Don Joe
The same Fla. Supreme Court who wanted Algor to be POTUS.
477 posted on 08/31/2003 4:57:04 PM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: Don Joe
Is this his current wife or one of the two who divorced him? Nice cottage industry they've got going. If wife's dad had better care, he wouldn't not have died from gangrene-sepsis. Felos and the female Felos don't seem to care for anti-biotics or intensive care. They are pro-death and "no coders". Sometimes, a no code is okay if the person is really suffering but other people's dying is their bread and butter.

There could be kickbacks flying all over the place the way they've set up their "industry".

478 posted on 08/31/2003 5:03:15 PM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Let us not forget that if Terri could be placed under the care of her loving parents, she wouldn't have nursing home expense, would probably have a home health care worker drop by to check on her every day. That's a lot more economical. But, noooooooo. The parents can't even offer.
479 posted on 08/31/2003 5:05:06 PM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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To: agrace
His 2nd divorce was ongoing in 2001. So, the blonde wife, you'd have to check the date of that page that you went to to try and tell if she's ex-wife or current. The guy is from another planet but managed to father a son.
480 posted on 08/31/2003 5:06:55 PM PDT by floriduh voter (TO JOIN TERRI PING LIST CONTACT kimmie7)
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