Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a complaint against Judge Greer:

Various ^ | August 28, 2003

[syriacus]

I omitted the 'L" in html for the link above which should be

Board members of Hospice of the Florida $uncoast,

http://www.hospicepatients.org/is-the-hospice-A-faithful-Steward-of-Donations.html

[kimmie7]

I wonder whether Terri's parents and their supporters are planning an Action if it becomes necessary?

I would LOVE to see that.

What connections does Judge Greer have to the Hospice where he has sent Terri? It seems that the sister of one of Greer's fellow judges sits on the board of that Hospice, which may have some ethical lapses of its own (diverting non-profit funds to for-profit division)

Am I the only one smelling something perhaps even larger than we all initially thought?

Some further investigative reporting just may be in order here. Let me know what I can do. I am at work now, but can devote all night to online research if need be. I'll be checking in quite often during the day today.

Let's keep this bumped and keep those prayers rising like incense to the Lord.

[Tax-chick]

New story just on e-mail:
by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
August 28, 2003

Clearwater, FL (LifeNews.com) -- The tenuous and stressful situation in the Terri Schiavo case may be getting the best of Michael Schiavo.

In reacting to a letter written by Florida Governor Jeb Bush (R) in an effort to appoint an independent guardian for Terri, Michael lambasted Bush for playing politics with Terri's life.

"The governor has deliberately twisted the facts in this case in an apparent effort to kowtow to his 'right-to-life' political supporters,'' Michael Schiavo told the Tampa Tribune. "This has nothing to do with him. He should stay out of it.''

However, the verbal tirade didn't end there.

Michael also accused Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, of engaging in religious hypocrisy and using religion to raise money.

"Suddenly, they are on the religious kick. They never went to church a day in their lives,'' Michael said. "I believe in God and so did Terri, but they are out to push it on people.''

Michael says the Schindlers orchestrated a campaign to send e-mail to the governor through a Web site that also raises money from right-to-life supporters. He accused the Schindlers of using his wife's Catholic faith to their own ends.

Bob Schindler says their Catholic beliefs and long-standing. He said Michael is forgetting he and his wife sent Terri and her siblings to Catholic schools and that the Schiavo's wedding was performed by a priest.

"It [Michael Schiavo's comment] is really upsetting to my wife because she is a better Catholic than I am,'' he said.

The Web site has drawn a good response, Schindler said. Any donations it generates are going to family attorney Pat Anderson, who had been working for free.

Father Frank Pavone, the director of Priests for Life, told LifeNews.com that the values needed to address Terri's case properly have already been "pushed" on people.

"Catholic Faith in this case requires understanding that this case is about more than Catholic Faith," Pavone explained.

"It's about the dominion of God over our lives, our laws, our courts, our attorneys, and our judges. If Michael Schiavo is worried that some people are trying to impose God's authority on the situation, I have news for him: It's already imposed."

Related web sites:

Terri's Parents - http://www.terrisfight.org

[Tax-chick]

And my comment: Why aren't the Bishops calling on people to ACT? (Admittedly, you don't want to start a major physical resistance until it's necessary and useful, which would be when the actual execution starts) but still ... this is why 6 million Jews and others died in the Holocaust, because everyone just followed the *law*. What does it take for people to realize the authorities would have THEM killed, too, just as easily?

[Theodore R.]

Did I see on a post that Michael Schiavo will collect $9 million or $7 million when the feeding tube is pulled? Earlier, I had thought that he was in line for $750,000. From where are the extra millions coming?

Can someone post a picture of Michael Schiavo on the forum?

[Tax-chick]

I haven't seen those numbers. $750,000 is the one usually mentioned. It's hard to believe those millions - no insurance company would sell a life policy under the conditions since the (accident, assault, incident, whatever).

And I doubt one would have been sold in those amounts even when she was healthy. Benefits out of proportion to the financial situation of the insured are an invitation to fraud or murder. For example, my policy is for $250,000 - roughly the cost of investments that would provide income to pay for housekeeping, education, child care, etc., until my children are grown. I doubt an insurer would write me an individual policy even for $1,000,000 - although you can sometimes get larger policies with employers' group coverage. Companies don't want their insureds to be worth more dead than alive!

His picture's been with some of the articles ... ugly mug!

[floriduh voter]

My email to the 2nd DCA. Everyone can email the 2nd cda and ask that their email be placed in the Amicus Brief's file supporting their position. I am playing hard ball today.

To 2nd DCA: Please place this in the file of the Amicus Brief by Ms. Andersen supporting the parties that she represents in it.

I am pleased that Ms. Andersen has filed an Amicus Brief on behalf of Terri Schiavo-Schindler and her loving parents.

There is so much reasonable doubt in this matter but one thing is certain. Terri Schiavo-Schindler is a disabled woman who is an inconvenience to her husband who has a live-in girlfrield and a child. We must have a higher standard than that before we start offing the vulnerable. We have higher standards for death row inmates.

I am for Governor Bush's suggestion that Terri be put under the control of a guardian ad litem, an independent party who will not SHOW THE BIAS THAT JUDGE GREER has engaged in.

There is arising a belief that Michael Schiavo may have been responsible in the first place for battering his wife. If he harmed her which may have led to her present physical condition, he would have the court order her starvation than be facing a possible charge of attempted murder, domestic violence or manslaughter. Getting a court order to have Terri killed would only erase Terri. It wouldn't erase growing concerns that husband Michael Schiavo was a wife batterer and should be held accountable for that. If Terri is a burden to him, to you and to Judge Greer, BURDEN is a subjective term. Surely, Terri would never be a burden to her parents but they haven't been given a chance in the kangaroo court.

The local and national news media is covering this story and they're just begining. The spotlight is on all of the good old boys and activist judges together who are on the same page as Judge Greer. He blames you but you were only agreeing with his lame order. I blame all of you.

You aren't facing starving in a matter of weeks but Terri is. What kind of society starves a human being to death who hasn't been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that she's in a vegetative state? We have seen the videotapes and if I was as responsive as she still is, I would not anyone starving me to death. If she experiences "life" on a level science has yet to understand, we don't have a right to kill her. She can see and she can breathe. Are you going to pull Christopher Reeve's life support next? No, and why not? Because he's a celebrity. Terri is becoming a celebrity in her own right. She deserves proper medical care and loving parents. She does not deserve a death sentence.

Err on Terri's side, not on the husband's side. If we err on the husband's side, Terri dies. Please tell the 2nd DCA that they are all spineless and uncaring jurists in cahootz with the spineless J. Greer. How dare you find against the vulnerable? You are violating the Constitution and numerous of God's laws. Why isn't TERRI SCHIAVO guaranteed life and liberty? You have no answer because you are making up the rule of law as you go along.

PLEASE PUT THIS IN THE AMICUS BRIEF FILE RE: TERRI SCHIAVO as evidence of what I view as misconduct by Florida's Circuit Civil and 2nd DCA for bias and finding against a disabled woman. This is my opinion but it is shared by many Floridians.

FV

[floriduh voter]

Good point re: hospice. You know as soon as Judge Greer ordered the execution of Terri, hubby placed her in a hospice instead of a nursing home. He wants her rubbed off by hospice staffers who are in the business of letting people go. Well, I'm sure Terri is ready.

This is the kind of thing that needs to get to the media about possible conflict of interest between J. Greer and Hospice of Suncoast or Suncoast Hospice. A conflict of interest would mean that Judge Greer would have to withdraw from the case. That's the rule of law. So, how do we connect Greer to the Suncoast Hospice beyond that it's part of his job to refer people there? That would be the smoking gun.

[floriduh voter]

There's the outside chance that like when Elian Gonzalez was kidnapped by Janet Reno Easter Sunday, they will start starving Terri without telling the public to avoid demonstrations. I wouldn't put it past this Judge to attempt to keep the start date confidential "Terri's wishes, you know," as per her loving husband (sarcasm).

[Jened]

i remember something fishy with the doctor exams so i don't 100% trust their opinion. glenn beck has been following this nationally on his radio show and there is a lot of info at glennbeck.com regarding this attempted murder.

[RedRidingHood]

Go to National Catholic Partnership on Disability. Article dated July 10,2003. Michael had asked for $20 million. Sorry I don't know how to link yet. Fran

[Theodore R.]

This is a good point, in fact Glenn Beck had said the feeding tube would be removed Sunday, Aug. 31. Therefore, she would be dead by September 11. The national media won't touch this story, nor will be established conservative columnists. Could this be that most conservatives now support euthanasia too if there is money involved?

[floriduh voter]

I visited sptimes.com to email columnist mary jo. She thought Jeb should mind his own business and her column on that is on her page there. I checked her archives and found this interesting column about the killing of a pig by a shock jock.

© St. Petersburg Times published February 28, 2002

Like it or not, and I don't, but Bubba's probably going to walk.

On Wednesday, the defense in his animal cruelty trial called two experts. One was a Gainesville veterinarian. The other was a former state game official.

Both testified that the method used to kill that now celebrated pig on Bubba's radio show last year was routine and used regularly by hunters. The pig's throat was slit, after the animal was castrated.

But for the radio shock jock to be convicted, state law requires that the animal's death be cruel, or the result of the infliction of unnecessary pain. The experts saw nothing cruel or unnecessary about what happened.

The prosecutor, Darrell Dirks, failed to budge the experts. He produced no witnesses to contradict them.

The silence was loud and discouraging. For even if the means of killing the pig were routine, the death itself was needless.

Plenty of other means exist to boost radio ratings.

Who knows this better than the pathetic man himself?

Bubba testified Wednesday about other stunts he's pulled. He has one gig called Drink Your Pee, and another dedicated to men talking about their penis problems, and still another called Milk Challenge, in which people in his studio drink so much milk that they end up vomiting.

You could argue that these promotions, as Bubba calls them, are as awful, if not worse, than what happened to the pig. He said with all seriousness that these things are done to educate and inform the public. When Dirks asked what the educational objective was in killing the pig, Bubba answered that he wanted to show his listeners where their food came from.

"So," said Dirks with unconcealed sarcasm, "you're going to explain that pork comes from pigs?"

"Not necessarily," Bubba replied.

But he was not all bob-and-weave on the stand.

He acknowledged that the animal was castrated so that one of the other men participating in the stunt could eat the testicles raw.

That is not a misprint.

At the end of Bubba's testimony, the prosecutor asked him if he enjoyed the killing of the pig, which took place in the radio station parking lot while he was in his radio studio. "I didn't do it," Bubba said. "I broadcast it. I really have no feelings either way."

That's no misprint either. He apparently believes he was not responsible for what happened to that animal. The jurors are expected to deliberate today. I would hate to be one of them. It would be too frustrating.

The law has no room to take into account the outrage Bubba's conduct creates. It has no room to consider his motives, the drive for ratings and revenue, and the cynical -- that was the word he used -- way his show operates. His goal, he said, is to keep his audience "riveted," no matter what.

Lawyers would tell me never to guess at a verdict. Juries are unpredictable, except in this regard -- they take their job very seriously. I'm hanging what little hope I have on their seriousness of purpose.

Bubba and his three co-defendants are charged with felony animal cruelty, but the jury could reason its way into finding them guilty of misdemeanor animal cruelty instead. It bars the unnecessary death of an animal, and if ever there was such a case, this one is it.

I have heard from a lot of readers -- and Bubba listeners -- who call this prosecution a waste. I disagree now, and will continue to even if he is acquitted.

This hasn't just been a trial involving animal cruelty. It's a test of community standards, what we in Tampa Bay will tolerate, and what we will not.

-- You can reach Mary Jo Melone at mjmelone@sptimes.com or 226-3402.

"THE DEATH OF A PIG IS A TEST OF COMMUNITY STANDARDS." Please email her and copy her pig story back to her at your convenience.

[Theodore R.]

This "Mary Jo" is the FL voter of the future. Maybe that's why the Republican majoity there is paralyzed with fear to act. They are afraid that the liberal "Mary Jos" will rise up and slit their throats, just like the men did to the poor pig. So they try to be nice to the liberals, thinking the liberals will let them stay in office if they don't rock too many boats.

[Joe Brower]

Got news for ya. "Mary Jo" is many of the voters now, especially in the liberal strongholds of Tampa and Miami.

As for "paralyzed with fear", I don't know what TV show you're watching, but it's on the wrong channel. Yeah, they sure tried to get uppity in 2000 and 2002, and on the streets there were a few occasions where I almost had to crack some skulls. If they hadn't retreated, I would have.

Looks like 2004 will be more of the same. I'm looking forward to it. And so are a lot of other Republicans I know.

[floriduh voter]

FYI: your post may get deleted because of "throat..." language. Just so you know if it disappears. The admin mods are just doing their job.

[Theodore R.]

Well, I will have to watch the language more closely. I don't think I have ever had a post deleted, but I may have and not known it. "Slitting a throat" is a pretty strong expression, isn't it? Even if it was referring to a pig

[TheSpottedOwl]

What a great letter Kimmie! I hope that Governor Bush keeps the pressure on Judge Greer.

[floriduh voter]

Yeah, and the word terrorize used as a verb can get deleted too. I emailed malone her pig column and told her she had no core values yada yada yada.

[TheSpottedOwl]

Well I don't know if you'll get flamed, but there are two sides to every story. Her bone scan results made me suspicious. Why didn't Terri's husband just divorce her years ago if he doesn't want to deal with the whole situation. That way he could marry his live in gf. Why is he so insistent that she die?