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Movers Haul Away Ten Commandments in Montgomery
FOXNews.com ^ | Wednesday, August 27, 2003

Posted on 08/27/2003 8:59:09 AM PDT by NWO Slave

MONTGOMERY, Ala. — A chorus of demonstrators joined an irate man in screaming "Put it back!" Wednesday morning after a monument of the Ten Commandments was wheeled away from the rotunda of the Alabama Judicial Building.

"Get your hands off our God, God haters!" yelled the wildly gesturing, red-faced man who initiated the chanting.

Workers used a dolly to move the 5,280-pound granite marker from the rotunda to another, undisclosed place in the courthouse building.

Meanwhile, a Wednesday afternoon hearing to consider a lawsuit to keep the monument in the rotunda was canceled.

The lawsuit, filed Monday in federal court in Mobile on behalf of a Christian radio talk show host and a pastor, says forced removal of the monument would violate the constitutional guarantee of freedom of religion.

Christian Defense Coalition Director Patrick Mahoney told the crowd of demonstrators that he wasn't told where the monument had been taken.

Because of its size and weight, the marker was presumably moved to another location on the ground floor of the building.

Mahoney said the monument would not be covered, and that he would be allowed inside to see it once it was moved. Mahoney said he was informed of the plans by building manager Graham George.

Mahoney didn't know whether the monument's new location would be accessible to the public.

The federal court had said the monument could be in a private place in the building but not in the highly visible spot in the rotunda directly across from the building's entrance.

Protest organizers asked the crowd outside not to rush the building or do anything else except pray. Some people seemed to be listening, with dozens kneeling, bowing or lying face-down in prayer in front of the judicial building and on the steps before and after the monument's removal.

The marker was wheeled away in a matter of minutes.

A federal judge in Montgomery ruled last year that the monument, which Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore (search) installed two years ago, violates the Constitution's ban on government promotion of religion and ordered its removal by Aug. 20. The U.S. Supreme Court last week declined to hear Moore's appeal.

But Moore refused to comply. Eight associate justices voted Aug. 21 to remove the monument, and Moore was suspended the next day.

Attorney General Bill Pryor, defending the associate justices, filed a motion Tuesday afternoon to dismiss the latest lawsuit, saying the Mobile court lacks jurisdiction and the complaint lacks merit.

About 150 monument supporters marched on Pryor's office Tuesday, demanding he resign for supporting the associate justices' decision. Seven representatives were allowed inside to meet with Pryor's chief deputy for about 20 minutes. The rest remained outside, chanting, "Resign now! Resign now!"

Gatherings of pro-monument demonstrators outside the judicial building have grown each day in the past week to at times number in the hundreds.

People seeking removal of the monument from its public site had said they were grateful that it was finally being moved, a week after the deadline set by a federal judge.

"This is a tremendous victory for the rule of law and respect for religious diversity," the Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said before the monument was rolled out of the rotunda. "Perhaps Roy Moore will soon leave the bench and move into the pulpit, which he seems better suited for."

Lynne's organization was among groups suing to remove Moore's monument, which he installed without telling the other eight Supreme Court justices.

Demonstrators promised to keep up their protests of the removal.

"If it takes 75 years to reclaim this land for righteousness, God find us and our children and our children's children ready," said the Rev. Rob Schenck, president of the national clergy council.

Affirmative Action Judge Opposing Judge Roy Moore


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: noothergods; purge; shallyouhave; tencommandments
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
That, my dear, is the funniest thing I've seen in a long, long time! Congratulations! I stand in awe.
282 posted on 08/27/2003 11:59:26 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: NWO Slave
Stalin, Mao, Lenin & Marx are laughing!
283 posted on 08/27/2003 12:00:13 PM PDT by rockfish59
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To: MineralMan
Opps, sorry MineralMan, I didn't notice your tag line. In your case, I guess there is no Bible for the Seculofascists to take away.
284 posted on 08/27/2003 12:00:57 PM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: My2Cents
"I know of some cities that have come after home Bible studies by enforcing some obscure traffic laws regarding parking in residential areas. If they haven't taken your Bible, it's because they haven't figured out a way to do it yet."

Obscure traffic laws, eh? We have some of those in my community, like forcing folks not to double-park or block the driveways of residents. That kind of obscure laws?

But, if you _know_ of these cities, please tell me their names. I'd like to look into this.
285 posted on 08/27/2003 12:02:28 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: keats5
"That's a popular argument going around regarding this subject, but it's very weak. Nobody worships Greek and/or Roman gods and goddesses anymore, at least not in the United States."

If you really believe this You May Want to Check This Out.

286 posted on 08/27/2003 12:04:20 PM PDT by keats5
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To: f.Christian
Knock it off
287 posted on 08/27/2003 12:04:51 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: My2Cents
Taking away other people's rights - freedom gives atheist their freedom and rights ...

tyranny of the secular - loon - fascist --- rag heads !
288 posted on 08/27/2003 12:05:02 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I don't get it.
289 posted on 08/27/2003 12:05:17 PM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: My2Cents
"Opps, sorry MineralMan, I didn't notice your tag line. In your case, I guess there is no Bible for the Seculofascists to take away."

Actually, I have a couple of Bibles, and they're well-read. I'd be ticked if someone wanted to take them away, especially my old leather-bound KJV. I've had it for 48 years. I'd give away my NIV though. Don't like the translation all that well.
290 posted on 08/27/2003 12:05:22 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: RoughDobermann
Since I'm not an atheist or a Christian, perhaps I'm not qualified to comment. That being said, I find attempts on either side to convince me to join up to be annoying, particularly when they come to my door.

Why should that be so unless you are convinced you either already possess conclusive knowlege of the metaphysical, or you just don't think it worth considering. That being said, why would you oppose the efforts of others to spread their beliefs to still others who may hunger for said ideas? I may not like cats, but I don't expect them to say anything other than meow.

291 posted on 08/27/2003 12:06:16 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: NWO Slave
Ten Commandments Moved
Wednesday, Aug. 27, 2003 10:55AM

The Ten Commandments monument has been moved to a non-public location in the Alabama judicial building. Also, the federal court hearing scheduled for today has been suspiciously postponed to an unspecified date. Despite the removal of the monument from public view, rallies will continue in Montgomery through next week.

293 posted on 08/27/2003 12:08:17 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR (Don't tread on me!)
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To: MineralMan
These people weren't double parked or blocking driveways, but your effort to find a pretense to go after these Bible studiers speaks volumes. They were parked legally. The police weren't able to break up the gatherings (which, again, were for the purpose of studying the Bible together, something which I'm sure offends you greatly), but there was the intimidation factor, on the basis that the cars "took up all available parking" on the street -- a huge inconvenience, I'm sure, since the study gatherings last all of 90 minutes to two hours.
294 posted on 08/27/2003 12:09:42 PM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: talleyman
"which foreign religion is being practiced in front of your face now that the monument has been moved from the lobby of the Alabama state courthouse?

Atheism."

Boy is this silly. Atheism is NOT a religion. Even if it were it was already here. Christianity was brought here from a foreign country (England).
295 posted on 08/27/2003 12:10:23 PM PDT by kegler4
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To: thoughtomator
Adonai Echad: God is One. (Not three.) Thou shalt have no other god before Me. (Yet God's command is often ignored in interpretation of Jesus' teachings.) Thou shalt make no graven image of the Lord thy God. (Christ on a stick, anyone?)

Molester priests and gay bishops are merely symptoms of the larger separation of Christians from God.

That which you speak of is not TRUE Christianity...not the Christianity of my Bible. God IS One, and I make nor use any graven image of Him. Molester priests and gay bishops and the system through which they function are NOT representative of the TRUE Christian church, although countless many think otherwise.

Messiah prophecy is frankly irrelevant to sincere Judaism. That Jews do not accept the Christian belief that Christ was the Messiah does not prove that he was.

This sounds like your opinion, and as such, is only that--an opinion. I do not agree with this. Messiah prophecy is as relevant to Judiasm as it was since before Abraham...only they've been looking, watching, waiting for a Messiah to come, instead of accepting the One who already came. My opinion? Then so be it...some are blind and just don't want to see.

296 posted on 08/27/2003 12:11:16 PM PDT by nfldgirl
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To: My2Cents
"These people weren't double parked or blocking driveways, but your effort to find a pretense to go after these Bible studiers speaks volumes. They were parked legally. The police weren't able to break up the gatherings (which, again, were for the purpose of studying the Bible together, something which I'm sure offends you greatly), but there was the intimidation factor, on the basis that the cars "took up all available parking" on the street -- a huge inconvenience, I'm sure, since the study gatherings last all of 90 minutes to two hours."

I have no objection to home Bible study. Why do you suppose I would? But, apparently, nothing happened to any of these folks, then? They continued their Bible study? Where's the beef? Did a neighbor complain or something. You aren't providing much detail here, so please give me a link or something so I can investigate.
297 posted on 08/27/2003 12:12:04 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Woahhs
Why should that be so unless you are convinced you either already possess conclusive knowlege of the metaphysical, or you just don't think it worth considering. That being said, why would you oppose the efforts of others to spread their beliefs to still others who may hunger for said ideas? I may not like cats, but I don't expect them to say anything other than meow.

For the same reason why I don't like getting calls from telemarketers during dinner...

298 posted on 08/27/2003 12:13:50 PM PDT by RoughDobermann (Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.)
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To: Woahhs
Why should that be so unless you are convinced you either already possess conclusive knowlege of the metaphysical, or you just don't think it worth considering. That being said, why would you oppose the efforts of others to spread their beliefs to still others who may hunger for said ideas? I may not like cats, but I don't expect them to say anything other than meow.

For the same reason why I don't like getting calls from telemarketers during dinner...

299 posted on 08/27/2003 12:13:51 PM PDT by RoughDobermann (Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.)
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To: rwfromkansas
Thomas Jefferson wouldn't have.

"I am for freedom of religion, and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendency of one sect over another." --Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1799. ME 10:78

"To suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles on supposition of their ill tendency is a dangerous fallacy which at once destroys all religious liberty, because he being of course judge of that tendency will make his opinions the rule of judgment and approve or condemn the sentiments of others only as they shall square with or differ from his own." --Thomas Jefferson: Statute for Religious Freedom, 1779. ME 2:302, Papers 2: 546

"Our Constitution... has not left the religion of its citizens under the power of its public functionaries, were it possible that any of these should consider a conquest over the consciences of men either attainable or applicable to any desirable purpose." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to New London Methodists, 1809. ME 16:332

Next opinion?

300 posted on 08/27/2003 12:14:38 PM PDT by jimt
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