Posted on 08/26/2003 8:22:02 PM PDT by ambrose
So all of you RINOs on here who are accusing McClintock supporters of being "DU Disruptors" can kiss my grits.
2 posted on 08/26/2003 8:23 PM PDT by ambrose (Property Taxes are Too Low, Vote for Ahnold!)
Those of you who support McClintock should not be subject to ridicule. Those of you who do the democrat's, socialist's, mecha'ss, communist's, marxist's bidding, by trashing fellow Republicans should.
Simply put (so that even someone with substandard mental faculties can absorb it), Republicans don't trash Republicans during the election process. Operatives working for other groups do.
Those of us who like McClintock and hope he wins, but don't want Schwarzenegger savaged, wonder why it is that those who profess to support him more stridently than anyone else on the forum, would lie and disrupt on his behalf. Are they acting out some character trait of McClintock's that we're unware of? I have seriously begun to ponder this very concept.
Are McClintock's supporters who lie about, tell half-truths about, and slander Schwarzenegger and attempt to ruin any chance of him being elected, doing so at the direction of McClintock, or are they simply too subliminal to understand that their actions are going to be construed to buttress the perception this is reality.
I've been told that McClintock most closely mirrors Ronald Reagan, but that Arnold Guy certainly doesn't. To this point Arnold has lived by the 11th Commandment. Which group hasn't? Well it's those who claim their guy is the most Reaganesque. The irony is lost on the folks who claim to be the brightest political operatives of our time.
I haven't seen a single Schwarzenegger suppoter slam a platform position of McClintock's. They have voiced value assessments regarding his viability and whether he should drop out at some point, but even then the honest ones have said Schwarzenegger should live by the same rules. I only wish the other team would be content to play by these same guidelines.
Above is an example of conduct by what I'm going to start calling the "Black September" faction of McClintock supporters on this forum. Not only is he unable to accurately assess the ramifications of the Black September faction's actions, this person intimates that Arnold will raise property taxes. This is a bald-faced lie.
Proposition 13 was passed over twenty-five years ago. It has now been widely reported on this forum that Arnold voted for it. He not only voted for it then, he was the main speaker at it's 25 year Celebration party. When Warren Buffet made a deragatory remark about Proposition 13, Arnold Schwarzenegger chided him in public and stated that he disagreed with Buffett. Propisition 13 would be safe under his administration.
This is what the Black September faction does. It lies. It causes other McClintock supporters to defend Schwarzenegger instead of spend their time pushing McClintock. It insults even McClintock supporters for wanting for wanting nothing more than to keep Schwarzenegger viable as a fall back position. It disrupts forum harmony. It turns off other McClintock supporters. It drives away support for McClintock. And it does all this even after being told that this is exactly what Davis and Bustamante want.
The Black September faction of McClintock supporters' actions cannot even be distinguised from Bustamante supporters. Their actions are identical.
They've been told this, and still support McClintock with these tactics. Free Republic is too well known in this state for this to have escaped anyone's attention. If this activity is not renounced, what does that say about the major charactors in this election season?
I'm not defensive at all. In fact, I thought I took the offensive in my attempt to clarify your apparent ignorance of the latest poll.
And what have you done? You’ve posted a link to an outdated poll whose results were surely affected by buffet's asinine statement.
As for Survey USA...I think you could have done the research yourself but I’m happy to help you out.
SurveyUSA conducts opinion polls for TV stations. We started in 1992. We have completed 20,000 research projects, and interviewed 20 million Americans. Today, we are the largest and most-active media pollster in the United States. Link
They conducted the poll for ABC TV in LA. Surely you’ve heard of them. They’re part of a larger entity known for having an extreme liberal bias. So, all things considered, I trust that poll far more then I trust one that is outdated and skewed by an erroneous announcement that Arnold might repeal Prop 13. Then again…perhaps ABC’s goal is to undermine Mcclintock’s chances by hiring an incompetent pollster, all which is unlikely as it also said that an overwhelming number of respondents are in favor of ousting davis as well as showing bustamante well behind AS; two things that aren’t exactly on the liberal agenda.
This is all moot, of course, as the only polls that will count are those just prior to the election and the election itself.
Bustamante as governor would not be good news for Bush. As a Democrat in the governor’s chair, he would inherit Davis’s fiscal problems but not his personal baggage. Accordingly, the election of a Republican Oct. 7 suddenly becomes a Bush priority. Nobody gives 2002 nominee Bill Simon a prayer, and state Sen. Tom McClintock is a very dark horse. That is why, on the day after Schwarzenegger nudged aside Riordan to become a candidate, the President declared of the five-time Mr. Universe: “I think he’d make a good governor.”
I think McClintock is the better candidate. If he can't win I will vote for someone else rather than see Davis or worse yet Bustamante hold the office.
Excuse me, billy boy...but television air time for commercials costs MONEY. It is not given away for free. Only Democrats believe that it SHOULD be given away for free.
You seem to believe that Tom won't have to buy air time for his commercials.
Either you're a Democrat, or you're an idiot (and thus a Democrat by default).
Yeah, that stuff I said about letting him get his message out,
Money. Where's it going to come from?
the fact that he's climbed considerably in the polls in a short time already, making a lot of media appearances for exposure...
When you start at the rock bottom, any increase is "considerable." It's just that the increase isn't enough. And the media appearances he's made are the same one Simon made in 2002. That explains why we're recalling Governor Simon.
that was just silly.
I agree with you. Repeating a demonstratably failed strategy in hopes of getting a different result is pretty silly.
Do you realize that you almost described Bill Clinton in 1992 to a tee?
In January of 1992, ten months before the election...you're right.
Unfortunately for Tom, the election is less than five weeks away, not ten months away.
Five weeks before the 1992 general election, Bill Clinton was the man to beat.
Five weeks before this election...Tom McClintock is still "Tom who?"
When the best thing McClintock can say about his last statewide campaign was "I didn't lose by all that much," he's not doing himself any favors.
All very true. If they are affiliated in some indirect way with ABC/USA TODAY/GALLUP that would make sense, but I just don't know about them yet... In any case that poll is old, I am looking forward to the one coming out from them post Simon. I don't think (R)nold eliminated what Buffet said because he only referenced his support of 13 and made fun of Buffet, he didn't fire him like he should have, and certainly refuses to sign a no new tax pledge. I know you don't think that should matter to people, but I think alot of jaded Independents he needs find that very important.
Fresno Freepers sure have a great deal of common sense, don't we Jim :o)
Finding a wise balance between the puristic and the pragmatic ends of the spectrum is a good thing. But in striving for pragmatism, a guy shouldn't go soooo far away from purity that he becomes a political whore. That's what the R.I.N.O.s are in danger of doing by supporting Ahhnold.
If I wanted to be that "pragmatic" I would join the Leftist/communist democrat party.
"God grant me the courage to change the things I can, the peace to accept the things I can't, and the wisdom to know the difference."
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And how does one "eliminate" what others might have said? Schwarzenegger has said through his agents that he stands behind Prop 13 100%. That's pretty clear to me. Link
As for firing him...that's his decision to make. and to be honest..I think he should have also.
Sorry, that was my fault, I wasn't clear. The Field Poll was old, not this one.
As for the statement, I read it, at first I was encouraged, but upon reflection I realized it was more easy populism without hard commitments. After all "things change, disasters can happen" and I think there is a disaster coming the day those debts come due.
Our only hope was an immediate "no new taxes" pledge that Simon and McClintock publicly badgered him about. His silence speaks volumns I'm afraid...this is no Supply Sider.
If Bustamante doesn't win this election, then he remains in office as Lt. Gooberner.
As I've already stated, I think Arnold stands a better chance to win than does Mcclintock. That's unfortunate, but a reality, I believe, in liberal California. That being the case...while he obviously leans left on social issues...Arnold claims to be conservative fiscally. He should back that up in some manner, but I don't know if it should be by making a committment or a pledge. Bush 1 did that and look where it got him.
A person might argue that Jimmy Carter was culturally so evangelical as to drive Massachusetts voters to vote for Reagan in 1980. Certainly Mondale was not to liberal much less too Bible believing for Massachusetts and he lost worse to Reagan than Carter did.
The only stock in trade in the RINO Dry Goods store is pessimism and crepe-hanging. Reject them and they will go away. Their goods are fraudulent.
Wilson is a menace to society and an affront to decent people.
The only reason the RINOs suggest that agreement is to put lipstick on the pig (Arnold). It doesn't work and the pig will come to resent it. It would destroy McClintock with the only constituency that matters: the conservatives. Electing Arnold accomplishes NOTHING conservative. Better to fight another day if Arnold were the only alternative. Happily he is not.
Finally, either you have no principles or you are all too eager to trash the ones you have. You resent those who stick to their principles and, yes, their conscience because they show you up as caring only about money. If and when your money is protected, you will be satisfied. Of course, Arnold is just as bad as Doofus and Bustamante on this score but never mind because you believe what you wan to believe.
Terminate the terminator before he terminates your state, your party and you.
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