Toledo bar owners jeer smoking ban

The Beacon Journal ^ | 8/26/03 | Craig Webb

[Madame Dufarge]

Good point, Gabz.

[Gabz]

You don't know how much I despise the claim of "level playing field."

A "level playing field" in the hospitality industry would mean the same menu, same prices, same entertainment, and same decor in every establishment. As a consumer I find that to be far more than just distasteful.

We all talk about the devastating effect these bans have on the hospitality industry by the exclusion of some of their primary customers, yet we all miss another segment of the industry that is being harmed by the governmental removal of the market niche they created for themselves.

Bars and restaurants that chose to go non-smoking on their own are losing business because of these bans. Their clientele, that choose smoke-free, can now go anywhere if they choose - and that is what is happening in Delaware.

Establishments that are already smoke-free by choice need to be brought on board to fight these bans. The bans hurt their business.

[Gabz]

I'm talking English language not some piece of music.

I love it that you won't admit your mistake - typical socialist anti-smoker.

[Madame Dufarge]

I love it that you won't admit your mistake - typical socialist anti-smoker.

They don't make mistakes, the rest of us are just too stupid to understand.

Come on, Gabz, get with the pogrom.

[metesky]

Bars and restaurants that chose to go non-smoking on their own are losing business because of these bans. Their clientele, that choose smoke-free, can now go anywhere if they choose - and that is what is happening in Delaware.

Isn't it great to know that even the business owners that tried to find a market niche are getting the bat shoved (in an unmentionable place) by gub'mint?

[cinFLA]

I'm talking English language not some piece of music.

Me too. I fly back to Florida tomorrow! Duh?

[cinFLA]

What mistake?

[cinFLA]

I love it that you won't admit your mistake

What mistake?

[cinFLA]

"Bars and restaurants that chose to go non-smoking on their own are losing business because of these bans. Their clientele, that choose smoke-free, can now go anywhere if they choose - and that is what is happening in Delaware."

Isn't it great to know that even the business owners that tried to find a market niche are getting the bat shoved (in an unmentionable place) by gub'mint?

Let's see. If the non-smokers are now leaving the non-smoking places to go the the formerly smoking places, then the ban is increasing business in those restaurants that formerly allowed smoking.

Why are they now complaining about the increased business?

[Gabz]

Darlin' - I'm so in touch with the pogroms - as you well know.

Thank goodness I no longer live in Delaware, or NYC or spend summers in Florida.

Unfortunately I have to spend time in DE next weekend and possibly a weekend in NYC in October.

[Gabz]

gub'mint doesn't care about the people that pay their wages - didn't you know that?

[Gabz]

had you said you were in CA I would not have made mention.

You didn't - you were wrong, either way.

[Gabz]

When was the last time you were in a restaurant in Delaware?????

[Madame Dufarge]

Let's see. If the non-smokers are now leaving the non-smoking places to go the the formerly smoking places, then the ban is increasing business in those restaurants that formerly allowed smoking.

To indulge you in your fantasy scenario, let's assume that 5 patrons leave the non-smoking place to go to the formerly free place, if only to gawk at the place that the wicked people used to frequent.

To replace the 20 patrons of the formerly free place who won't go there anymore, the 5 show up, once.

Then they go back to their fey little oasis and, sipping white wine and pulling all the stops out by overindulging in vegan dip and organically grown nachos, wonder how anyone would ever have gone to that place to begin with.

This is assuming, of course, that anti-smokers would even consider anything as adventurous as this in the first place.

Has a hazmat team cleansed the place beforehand?

It's in the air, after all.

No, I think not.

[GOPyouth]

No Smoking = No Customers

I just spent a year out in San Diego, California. The night-life there is top-notch. Everytime I went downtown to the clubs, I had to wait in line to get in. Each time I went to restaurants I had to wait to sit down. If I went to the bars down in OB (Ocean Beach to the non-locals) it was shoulder to shoulder packed on almost any given night. I don't think the smoking ban in the state affected the number of people that went to the restaurants/clubs/bars there.

It was pretty dang nice to be able to go out with some friends to a bar and not come out of there smelling like smoke.

[metesky]

Let's see. If the non-smokers are now leaving the non-smoking places to go the the formerly smoking places, then the ban is increasing business in those restaurants that formerly allowed smoking.

Even a freaking moron* could see that the places that banned smoking for business reasons, trying to capture a niche, are now losing business to formerly smoking places. Like I said, play ball with gub'mint and get the shaft.

*You, of course, would have to increase your IQ several points to go from lump of coal to moron.

[Madame Dufarge]

Hey, political science major, was the concept of private property rights ever discussed in your indoctrination sessions... er, classes?

[wku man]

The only law I can see that is needed is one mandating the display of large placards on the bar/restaurant's primary entrances, letting customers know if smoking is allowed inside. At that point, the customer can choose whether to patronize the bar/restaurant, or take his business elsewhere, maybe to a non-smoking establishment.

Unfortunately, too many meddling busybody types, here in FloriDUH as well, think they have some kind of right to go anywhere and not be confronted with smoke. I try to explain the issue of property rights to them, and it goes over their heads. They think that just because an establishment serves the public, it is pubicly owned. Ignorance, abject stupidity, and the inability of our society to think and/or reason has led to this, and many other nails in the cofin of property owners' rights.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[wku man]

Duh! Cofin=coffin.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!