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Free trade's victims turning against Bush, GOP
The Herald Sun ^ | August 25, 2003 | associated press

Posted on 08/25/2003 2:05:47 PM PDT by snopercod

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- This year's highly publicized job losses in North Carolina manufacturing, including the Pillowtex bankruptcy, could mean trouble next year for President Bush in a region that was a stronghold in 2000.

Bush won more than 56 percent of the vote in both North Carolina and South Carolina in 2000. But his strong support of free trade has turned some against him in the South, where U.S. trade policies are blamed for the loss of jobs in textiles and other manufacturing sectors.

Andy Warlick, chief executive officer of Parkdale Mills in Gaston County, said he doubts he will repeat his 2000 vote for Bush next year.

"He made a lot of promises and he hasn't delivered on any of them," Warlick said. "I've had some firsthand experience of him sending down trade and commerce officials, but they're just photo ops. It's empty rhetoric."

Fred Reese, the president of Western N.C. Industries, an employers' association, said executives are beginning to raise their voices against Bush and are planning education and voter drives.

"We're seeing a new dynamic where the executives and employees are both beginning to see a real threat to their interests. You're going to see people who traditionally voted Republican switch over," Reese predicted.

The hard feelings were on display days after Pillowtex's July 30 bankruptcy filing, when Republican U.S. Rep. Robin Hayes walked into a Kannapolis auditorium to meet with former workers.

"Thanks for sending the jobs overseas, Robin!" shouted Brenda Miller, a longtime worker at the textile giant's Salisbury plant.

In December 2001 Hayes -- who is an heir to the Cannon family textile fortune -- cast the tie-breaking vote to give Bush the authority to negotiate "fast-track" trade agreements, trade treaties that Congress must vote up or down with no amendments.

At the time, Hayes said he won promises from the Bush administration that it would more strictly enforce existing trade agreements and pressure foreign countries to open their markets to U.S. textiles.

"Are we pleased with the way they responded? Absolutely," Hayes said. "Are we satisfied with where we are? Absolutely not."

Jobs in many industries have fled overseas since 1993, when Congress passed the Clinton-backed North American Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA. About half the textile and apparel jobs that existed in 1994 are gone.

Since Bush took office in January 2001, it is estimated North Carolina and South Carolina have lost more than 180,000 manufacturing jobs.

And even more textile jobs could be out the door once quotas on Chinese imports expire at the end of next year.

Republican U.S. Rep. Cass Ballenger voted for NAFTA and fast-track, and has seen his 10th District lose nearly 40,000 jobs, primarily in the textile and furniture industries.

"Certainly, there's a political cost to any controversial vote no matter which side you take," he said. "People are casting stones, but we're trying to pick them up and build something."

Democratic U.S. Sen. John Edwards voted against fast-track in 2002 after voting for an earlier version. In 2000 he voted for permanent normal trade relations with China.

Recently, though, while campaigning for the Democratic presidential nomination, Edwards has attacked Bush's trade policies and called for fairer trade measures.

Robert Neal, vice president of the local chapter of the Pillowtex workers' union, said Hayes has worked to try to ease the impact of job losses in his district.

"Though he (Hayes) voted for fast-track, he is really concerned about the workers and their conditions in the state of North Carolina," Neal said.

Not everyone feels that way.

Reese is organizing 1,500 manufacturing companies across North Carolina in an effort to leverage what he calls a new voting bloc.

In South Carolina, voter drives are planned for the first time at Milliken & Co., which has about 30 plants in the state. Mount Vernon Mills of Greenville, S.C., is forming a political action committee.

The company's president Roger Chastain, a one-time Bush voter, doesn't expect to support the president or Jim DeMint, a Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Democrat Ernest Hollings.

"We're basically liquidating our whole middle class, polarizing people on the two extremes, have and have-nots," Chastain said of the manufacturing job losses. "We'll be a Third World country."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: economy; fasttrack; jobs; manufacturing; nafta; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; pillotex; treetrade
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To: Poohbah
The 16th Amendment was not properly and Constitutionally ratified.
161 posted on 08/25/2003 6:24:52 PM PDT by Cacophonous
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To: snopercod
I bet that all those men who have died keeping America free and making it a secure place for business to prosper slumber peacefully tonight knowing that American CEO's can hire non-citizens in order to make it their companies look profitable that quarter and therefore get a big fat bonus.

I know the argument about not being my brother's keeper.

Sometimes you have to think about what is good for America in the long run instead of what is good for you right now.

What if American soldiers get a better offer from another country? Hey, it's free trade.

162 posted on 08/25/2003 6:25:25 PM PDT by DragonflyX
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To: Texas_Dawg
We all live in the streets and eat mush out of dumpsters... all because of those damn free traitors.

Is this a bad time to mention that I've been "between jobs" for a year, next week? I'm 3 mortgage payments from living on the street. Savings gone.

Yeah. I'm doing lots better than in the previous 30 years of full employment...

163 posted on 08/25/2003 6:26:05 PM PDT by null and void (<----- Will micromachine for food. Seriesly)
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To: KevinDavis
Life was meant to be tough, not easy.

Now THAT's a campaign slogan for Bush! But can they at least have some cake?

164 posted on 08/25/2003 6:27:33 PM PDT by jammer
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To: Texas_Dawg
"...all because of those damn free traitors."

(Rasies hand) Here sir!

165 posted on 08/25/2003 6:28:01 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
WOW!

Bingo, unfortunatly.
166 posted on 08/25/2003 6:28:03 PM PDT by null and void
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To: Poohbah
You realize that you sound like a typical 1960s hippie?

You seem to be under the impression these morons would care. They repeatedly say they'd rather be with those hippies than "The Man" (that greedy CEO!).

167 posted on 08/25/2003 6:28:24 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (Proudly posting without the </sarcasm> tag for at least a few months.)
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To: Cacophonous
The 16th Amendment was not properly and Constitutionally ratified.

Then the 2nd Amendment wasn't properly and Constitutionally ratified, either.

You SURE you want to go with this argument, or would you prefer to apply the Supreme Court's longstanding doctrine that ratification is a POLITICAL (not LEGAL) matter between the several states and the Congress?

BTW, not ONE state--hell, not even ONE legislator from any of the states--raised any objection to the 16th Amendment being declared ratified at the time.

Not ONE.

Maybe every legislator in every state at the time was a complete idiot.

Or maybe your interpretation of the matter is wrong.

168 posted on 08/25/2003 6:29:38 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: A. Pole
Why should I limit what I make to what my employees make? That is the most moronic thing I have ever heard.
169 posted on 08/25/2003 6:29:51 PM PDT by jern
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To: jammer
Now THAT's a campaign slogan for Bush! But can they at least have some cake?

Unbelievable. I bet you complain all the time about politicians who pander and promise handouts to people too.

170 posted on 08/25/2003 6:30:16 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (Proudly posting without the </sarcasm> tag for at least a few months.)
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To: jern
Why should I limit what I make to what my employees make? That is the most moronic thing I have ever heard. Welcome to FRed.
171 posted on 08/25/2003 6:30:51 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (Proudly posting without the </sarcasm> tag for at least a few months.)
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To: jammer
I'm just speaking the truth...
172 posted on 08/25/2003 6:30:53 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: KevinDavis
But you're not CARING more than these people do!

Why, they tell us how much they care, so they really are better than us, right?
173 posted on 08/25/2003 6:32:06 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: A. Pole
The cure for outsourcing is simple. Congress should pass a law saying that no CEO of any US company can make more than 15 times the average wage of his employees.

Include bonuses and that works for me. Write it up and I'll sign it.     =;^)

174 posted on 08/25/2003 6:32:10 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: null and void
Yeah. I'm doing lots better than in the previous 30 years of full employment...

You are in the small minority.

1 year without a job? Something tells me I could at least find a McDonald's or restaurant near you that has a job opening.

175 posted on 08/25/2003 6:32:53 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (Proudly posting without the </sarcasm> tag for at least a few months.)
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To: Poohbah
Poobah, I think you're attributing something to me that I didn't advocate. I do not support tariffs on exports. Besides, would that be an export fee? I don't think those are also called tariffs. Course you might know more than that I regarding the exact phrasiology.

Unions. Who said we need unions? They're history.

There's no more trading off. We're bringing in immigrants to handle all those jobs. In fact I propose rapid rail service to deep in Mexico. Anyone that wants to come can come on it. Borders no longer exist. Anyone who wants to walk across can.

All corporate executive positions will be handled from Asia. They no longer exist in the US. Conferencing and the occasional on site visit will suffice. Those jobs pay between $10k and $20k over there.

Why Poobah, disagreements... we had a hundred million people who thought outsourceing, open borders, H1-Bs were a problem. That didn't stop anyone. We have a rich history of f-ing over anyone who objects. Please, let's be friends.

Again, what's to argue about Poohbah. Our government knows what's best for us. And under this new system, we don't worry about governments. We have open borders and each nation doesn't need a government. Trade entities like NAFTA and the WTO have set the model for the future. International courts and the UN will take care of this stuff. It's totally harmonious.

Well we do have a ballot box, but anyone walking into a polling booth can vote. We did away with citizenship since it was so unfair to immigrants. Today everyone is equal.

We all have service sector jobs. We all make $7.50 an hour, no overtime, no vacations, no medical plans. It really works out great. There's four regional service centers in Equador. They do direct deposit from there.
176 posted on 08/25/2003 6:34:08 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: 1rudeboy; Texas_Dawg; madd dawg; Tokhtamish
You didn't get the memo. It is permissible to call a free-trader a traitor, or Marxist. Just don't call Buchanan a Nazi, or government intervention in the markets socialism.

Now let us all be civil. madd_dawg was the first to use the "Free Traitor" Tokantamish you were teh second and unless you count references to the term without trying to apply it to anyone and deploring its use Rudeby1 is number three I think or it ccould be you Texas_Dawg. do find on the term in thius thread and you will see the who used what exactly where. may we please be more civil ad stick to issues without calling each otehr socialists and traitors off the top.

I freely admit to this in teh past but lets move on and deal with issues regarding our economy.

177 posted on 08/25/2003 6:36:37 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: luckystarmom
The same thing happened to a friend of ours, he actually trained the Indian guys who took his job! Bush says that men like this need "retraining". BS. They need their jobs. If it was a Democrat President who was encouraging this foreign workers crap, the Republicans would be screaming, but since it is Bush that is allowing it, it seems to be OK with them.

I gave up on Bush, I don't like his pandering to foreign interests at the expense of America.

178 posted on 08/25/2003 6:36:37 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: DoughtyOne
Poobah, I think you're attributing something to me that I didn't advocate.

You were responding to my point about export taxes being illegal under the US Constitution.

I do not support tariffs on exports.

You managed to sound like you did.

Besides, would that be an export fee? I don't think those are also called tariffs. Course you might know more than that I regarding the exact phrasiology.

Let's get something straight: Government taking money at gunpoint = "tax." Call it a "tariff" or a "fee" all you want...it's a "tax."

Only in the Clintonized America are they called "contributions" or other silly euphemisms.

Unions. Who said we need unions? They're history.

Unless, of course, you arrange to subsidize them--as tariffs are intended to do.

179 posted on 08/25/2003 6:38:22 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: Tokhtamish; ninenot; FITZ; A. Pole; junta

That is the problem with the Free Trade/Neo-Con line of defense, it is very simplistic, and very lax when it comes to "facts". Many point out how the average income has come up 1200% since the early 60s, but they forget two things, this is not adjusted for inflation, also a more realistic measure of how well the public at large is doing is compareing the median income of the early 60s and today, comparing the median price of a home with today and comparing the median price of a college education from the early 60s to today. Get these 3 figures and put it on a chart and the results will not look so stellar.

These threads to me point out how bankrupt the ideas of Neo-Cons are. Limbaugh himself when he talks about economics, along with WSJ editorial page collumists such as Grover Norquist have little more than 20 year old talking points to push supply side economics, talking about tax cut this and tax cut that, with generous helping of symbolic words like liberty and freedom plus a almost prozac style induced optimism, again using all the right symbolic words, but almost nothing in the way of substance.


180 posted on 08/25/2003 6:38:34 PM PDT by JNB
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