Schwarzenegger is The Kindergarten Candidate

My own thoughts... | 08/24/2003 | DoughtyOne

[DoughtyOne]

Is Arnold Schwarzenegger a white separatist?

Cruz Bustamante is a brown separatist. Now, is there a difference or not?

[LaraCroft]

Right. "Magically" the 35% that were undecided last week are "magically" now for Cruz.

And the times refuses to release the Poll questions, something that should disqualify it from releasing it's conclusions, but that is something the left does daily, make wild accusations that they can't back up because the dog ate the statistics.

Jesu, some people will believe anything, no matter how illogical if it fits in with their view of how things should be.

[McGavin999]

Excellent rant D-1. I seriously doubt that the governor will have any time for social issues, he's going to be too busy trying to save Calfornia.

I keep thinking of a swimmer out in the ocean, with a great white shark coming right at them. A lifeguard appears and the swimmer asks him what his views are on abortion and gay rights.

I'm one of those foreign students you wrote about, but my beloved state is directly impacted by what happens in California. We got our current governor Jam-it Nepolitano thanks to California refugees. I attended a zoning meeting a few months ago and the locals were almost voted down because the recent imports from California didn't want a power station built in the neighborhood. Arizonans know-No power station=No aircondioning. We have gone from the most reliably conservative state in the union to almost blatantly liberal. I want your state saved so all those refugees can go home.

[DoughtyOne]

If you would have read this thread before starting your blather on it, you'd know that I support McClintock as long as he can get his numbers up to where he can win.  If he can't do so I'm going to vote for Schwarzenegger.  I do not want Bustamante in there.  Neither do you.

[B Knotts]

Is Arnold Schwarzenegger a white separatist?

I don't know the answer to that; I suspect not.

Cruz Bustamante is a brown separatist. Now, is there a difference or not?

So, you think he's going to declare independence, and the U.S. government is just gonna sit on its hands? I just don't buy Bustamante as the big bogeyman of Aztlan. He's an incompetent, not-terribly-intelligent, mediocre career politician.

It would be better if he is not elected, but I am not convinced as of yet that Schwarzenegger is substantially better. He needs to put out some actual substance, and fire some of the liberal goons on his team.

[DoughtyOne]

I just don't know what people are thinking. The dump California set think that will fix everything. No, it will put the Mexican border on two sides of you. You'll be next to be sold out by these twits as they sell out everyone up to their doorstep. Then what we've been trying to tell them for decades will be important.

All you can do is shake you head an realize they haven't a clue.

[B Knotts]

I was there when we passed 187, and the next governor, in order to rescue the state, absolutely must revive it. The primary reason I am suspect of Schwarzenegger is that he has now brought on anti-187 people on his team, presumably as a means of picking up some of the Hispanic vote.

[DoughtyOne]

You don't know the answer?  You seem to think you've got all the anwers.  I'm here to tell you you don't.

Look, you guys have honed this "Sgt. Shultz act - I know nothink" ploy when you want to, to the point that it's insulting to yourself.  I don't believe you are this dense.

There is a movement that has spread across this nation to just about every university campus.  MIT has a chapter of Mecha.  Do a search on Mecha.  Read up.  There are other players in this movement.  I invite you to check out http://www.aztlan.com.  A number of places on that site they make the comment, "Here in Aztlan, and also in the United States..."  For your edification, they are in the South Los Angles Orange County area.  Check it out.

Cruz Bustamante has been a Mecha member for over a decade.  He has refused to extricate himself from that organization and has refused to renounce their policies as well.  Cruz Bustamante has openly stated in public that he supports the Aztlan movement.  Why should you think otherwise?  One of the two last mayoral candidates for Los Angeles was also a Mecha member.  Luckily he lost.  He had also made comments in public about supporting the Aztlan concept.

The person that is voted in on October 7th, will serve the remainder of Davis' term.  I believe they will then be able to run on their own for two terms.  Even if it is only one term, the Governor of California makes many appointments.  This person will more than likely serve at least 6.5 years and possibly as long as 10.5 years.  During that time Cruz would be able to imbed thousands of appointees all over the state.  He could imbed commissions and other NGOs with funds that could work against the state and our federal government.  That's what Mecha is all about.

Is this going to happen overnight?  No.  Is it wise to place this type of individual in a place of power?  You tell me.  I believe you said you didn't so I'll take you at your word.  If you truly feel that way, please lay off A.S.  He may not be perfect, I certainly don't think he is, but he may be our only hope of keeping some terrible individuals out of office.

Of course you have a right to say whatever you want, but doesn't it bother you that you might be facilitating the desires of people like this?

[DoughtyOne]

He has brought in a number of people of varried beliefs to help out. Just like Buffett, he'll slap them down if he thinks he needs to. We've already seen him do it.

I'll post something regarding 187 for you. I can tell you haven't seen it yet.

[DoughtyOne]

Check this out.

It starts off with him backing Prop 187, but later on it states that a guy you may have mentioned is now on his team.

Look guy, I don't know what to tell you. I've tried to make it as plain as I can that I want McClintock to win, but as long as you guys keep trashing someone we may have to rely on to keep Bustamante out of there, I'm going to have to keep responding that we may have no choice to but back A.S., and I'll continue to ask you not to destroy him on the forum.

Here's that link: http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/961661/posts

[Russell Scott]

The big problem you have electing Arnie is now you have established the new prototype candidate for the Republican party, a RINO. Hopefully McClintock can get even overtake Arnie in the debates. Then it would be in Arnold's best interest to drop out and support McClintock, since deep in his heart, Arnold knows Tom will do a much better job restoring California's financial health.

[DoughtyOne]

Russel, the McClintock model you mention is precisely what I hope for, but it's a little bit of a tough sell saying Arnie is the prototype, when someone else I could mention raised the spending for the DoE by 70% in the last 2.5 years.

[GatekeeperBookman]

Who is McClintock? I never named him or anyone but The Arnold & Red Davis & Bustamonte. You enjoy this so much, re-read my answers to your request for views.

Your fear of Bustamonte drives your argument...

I have no more interest in your strange conversation.

[DoughtyOne]

LOL. Nice try. There are two viable candidates for the Republican party at the moment. You are dumping on one of them. Now let me see, who could the beneficiary of that tactic be? Well you haven't figured it out yet so I guess I can be forgiven.

[DoughtyOne]

Since we don't know if McClintock can be elected or not, and Arnold will be the only fall back position if he isn't,
all this negative talk about Schwarzenegger is simply carrying water for the democrats.

So if you're going to do the democrats dirty work for them, you just as well provide the links so people can donate too.

California Democratic Party, The
Democrat Nation Committee
No On Recall - Yes on Bustamante
 

[Miss Marple]

I have said my piece on this some time ago, but I will repeat it here. As it gets closer to the election and no one else has dropped out, Then Republicans should coalesce around whoever is the front-runner, whether McClintock, Schwarzenegger, or Uberroth (Uberhoff?). The most important thing is to get the governorship out of democrat hands.

I am not a Californian, but it seems to me that the statements of some supporters on either side are counter-productive. It does seem like there are more nasty posts from McClintock supporters, but I could be mistaken. I have seen relatively few posts attacking McClintock, but a whole lot of posts attacking McClintock supporters, perhaps because so many of them have been so rude.

At any rate, I am pretty much staying out of this from now on because my opinion doesn't carry a vote, and I don't have to live with the consequences, except the mess that will be spread nationally by having Bustamante as governor.

This is a thoughtful essay, Doughty One, and I hope people pay attention.

[DoughtyOne]

You won't see me trashing McClintock or Ueberroth. If they can drive their numbers, I'll be satisfied to see them elected. If McClintock wins, I think we all win. Ueberroth wasted his political capital over a decade ago. I'm not sure who was advising the guy, but jumping in wasn't a sound move IMO.

You won't see me taking McClintock supporters on, unless they are trashing our fall back position. If they're going to do that, I'm going to jump in with both feet.

It bothers me to express my support for McClintock, then have someone ask me why I'm selling out. How much more clear can you make it for people. No on Bustamate. Period.

Thanks for the comments. Take care.

[hotpotato]

It is this effortless friendly way that comes natural to Schwarzenegger that is going to serve him well during this campaign.

I agree. While I have yet to decide who I will vote for (probably won't know until the last week), I do recognize that not only do we need a physical conservative as governor, but there are a lot of other positions in the state house that need to be replaced. I see a real possiblity that AS as governor just might motivate more folks to get involved with the republican party here in California. And *that* is what I think the democrats fear the most... not McClintock for governor but someone who can motivate the Republican base. Maybe it could become respectable again.

[A CA Guy]

Well he is electable compared to McSpoiler or Uber-man, so does this mean you are going for Bustamante instead?

[Hildy]

WHAT? In the 1980's Schwartzenegger himself ASKED the SW center to find out what his Father's role was. If CNN made is seem like the SW center was just now investigating, it's BS.