Posted on 08/24/2003 9:55:53 AM PDT by sarcasm
Edited on 05/07/2004 5:21:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Does it matter if Americans make stuff?
I'm using Alan Greenspan's brushoff term for American manufacturing. He used it last month during his congressional testimony, when asked about the loss of 2.7 million jobs over the past two years, most in factories and they're likely gone for good.
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Go right ahead. Like I said before the area I live in is an area that is heavily democrat. The only real action in the local primaries is on the democrat ballot, the Pubbie runs mostly unopposed in the primary. Also in the last two elections the democrat representative who represents my area has run unopposed in the primary and general election.
That hasn't stopped me from voting Pubbie in every Presidential election that I have voted in or registering as Republican in araea where the Republican party is stronger.
I have to face the fact where I live now, the only voice especially in local elections is to register as a demo to have a voice in local primaries.
Wouldn't our current balance of trade deficit with China, India, Mexico, everyone, qualify as the redistribution of our American wealth to those people? Personally, if wealth is to be redistributed (and it must be if there is to be an economy), I would rather see it redistributed to other Americans who will eventually, again, redistribute it to still other Americans than have it sent to foreign countries who will probably never send it back here to the American worker. The American worker: You know, the one that gave the money value in the first place.
Yeah whatever, at least I am honest about my predicament. To have a voice in local primaries, unfortunately, in my area one has to be registered as a dem, and there is no crossover in my state to vote in state and local primaries, which is a good thing, IMO, looked what happened during the Michigan Republican primary in 2000.
And if your "ridicule" is my cross to bear for my present electoral predicament, so be it. I can survive your gnat like ridicule.
Don't I recall something by Reagan about the service economy meaning we will all make our living by taking in each others laundry?
Dane - we have been through this before if you had read sufficiently on Ronald Reagan you would know this for fact. If you had read his speeches and full statements you would not be saying he was a globalist style Free trader who belived in unilaterally lowering American tariffs. I further note it was not Ronald Reagan who signed off on NAFTA or GATT though clearly if he had wante dan end to American Tariffs unilaterally he could have proposed that and probably gotten it through Congress without much fuss muss or hassle.
Now I have reviewed the posts on this thread Dane and your first post to it was abusive and you have gotten more vitrioloic since. Now I have been trying to get away from any flames and I am not flaming you here. I have abjured the word "traitor" unless and until someone clearly states they would willingly trade with an enemy of the USA in time of war because all laws that interfere with the right to trade with anyone free of interference are an infringement on their natural rights. Now, Dane, you have not to my knowledge made any such statement.
In any case, Dane, you really should be concerned with civilly discussing issues and not trying to engage in heated rhetoric where you are misstating facts. I have provided you with accurate history and if you were to review Dinesh DeSouza's(sp?) works you would undertand that already.
Maybe in your world, but not in mine.
You need to lose the liberal mindset that says being positive in life is the same as telling the rest of the world to go to hell.
It's pathetic.
Huh I just brought up the fact that the article sarcasm posted praises Fritz Hollings.
I call that desperation from the doom and gloom side.
If that is being absuvie, then so be it. I call it giving my opinion.
Reagan himself was a dreamer, capable of imagining a world without trade barriers. In announcing his presidential candidacy in Nov. 1979, he had proposed a “North American accord” in which commerce & people would move freely across the borders of Canada & Mexico. This idea, largely overlooked or dismissed as a campaign gimmick in the US, rankled nationalist sensibilities in the neighboring nations. But Reagan was serious in his proposal. Though he traveled only once outside the North American continent during his first 57 years, he was neither insular nor isolationist. California has windows to the world in Asia, and Reagan thought of the US as a Pacific power as well as an Atlantic one. He also had a Californian’s consciousness of Mexico and an actor’s appreciation of Canadians, who are well-represented in the film community. The dream of a North American accord would drive the successful pursuit of a US-Canadian free trade agreement and a future-oriented “framework” trade agreement with Mexico
I'de say that depends on the product being manufactured.
People complained about mechanical production replacing human labor, but in the long run it meant products were manufactured more efficiently at a lower cost resulting a higher standard of living for all.
So what if the slave labor wages in China mean some low tech manufacturing jobs go there. It frees up Americans for better paying high tech jobs, and the low price China products raise our standard of living. Just like we had our own slaves.
Rush Limbaugh has stated many times he agreed with Clinton about NAFTA and GATT.
BTW, as I have explained many times before on this thread in my area one has to register as a dem. I try to vote in every election and unfortunately in my area to have a say in the local primaries one must register as a dem. If I move to anther area, I will take a look at the local political scene and rules(such as crossover voting) and register accordingly, and vote the vast majority of the time for the Pubbie cnadidate.
But like I also said before, if my local electoral predicament is my cross to bear, so be it. I can survive your kneejerk ridicule also.
Am I supposed to be impressed by your argument that Rush Limbaugh and Bill Clinton supported NAFTA and GATT? Do you have a mind of your own?
Gee, I don't live in New York City. I live in a semi-rural county, where demos have always had a strong hold and people know each other and in the local elections it is more voting for the person rather than the party. The d is more a formality, although the R's are trying to get a foothold. We have a Republican sheriff, who I voted for, but he ran unopposed in the Pubbie primary, while the demo primary had IIRC something like 3 candidates. In the demo primary, I voted for the most conservative person, thus helping to try to assure two good candidates in the general election. Also you wouldn't believe the dearth of Pubbie candidates on the local ballot.
But thank you for your New York City centric arrogance, anyway.
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