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1 posted on 08/23/2003 7:42:02 AM PDT by cp124
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Yeh, Pat. It's clear that the UAW no longer exists because all our cars are being made in Indonesia. This explains why there are so many hamburger flippers where Detroit used to be. Riiiiiiight.
2 posted on 08/23/2003 7:49:25 AM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: cp124
It seems Pat forgot about Toyota, Nissan, Honda, BMW, and Mercedes, building car manufacturing plants in America to take advantage of our superior productivity and lower costs.

Even Korea's Hyundai is building a plant in America.

4 posted on 08/23/2003 7:54:48 AM PDT by magellan
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Part of the blame lies with US cities. The confiscatory level of property taxation first drove many companies out of cities, but there are NO or nominal property taxes in other countries. All you need do is cross a little ocean, which is not the obstacle it used to be.

Just think, you dream up some idea for a widget you want to manufacture. You look to locate your plant in, say, New Haven, Connecticut. The mil rate there is over 8 mils, that is, for every $1 million you invest in your factory, you have to pay the dunderheaded lazy thieves in city hall $80,000.00 per year. Say your factory costs a modest $5million. You will have to pay the thugs in city hall $400,000.00 per year just for the privelege of locating your plant in the midst of the squalor known as New Haven.

Do you know how hard it is to make an extra $400,000.00? One must stay up pretty late at night to earn such a sum. It doesn't come easy, and in fact, it's simply easier to leave town, or not show up in town in the first place. They wonder where the businesses have all gone. Where the jobs have all gone...

Then you have to worry about the lawyers.

Now, put your factory in sunny Mexico, or Guangdong, and you don't have any of those worries. No little old ladies will slip on your sidewalk, or if they do, no lawyers will come knocking. Oh, and property taxes? Guess again.
And you just might find more people there who speak English and who can read a ruler than you will in New Haven.

Why would anyone in their right mind put a manufacturing plant in an American city? Because they erected nice billboards to "attract business"? Right.

Low costs will attract business. Low risk of litigation, a business friendly environment.




I'm really surprised at the nitwits that run our cities. They steal and tax and run violent filthy slums right into the ground, then they spend taxpayers' money on billboards as if someone is going to actually be fooled by such misguided blather... like this one:

Hey suckers! Put your factory here! We can tax you, sue you, inspect you, steal you right out of business!! Step right up...
When a city has to put up a billboard, it's time to get out of town!

9 posted on 08/23/2003 10:16:30 AM PDT by Bon mots
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"As a former Friedmanite free trader, let me say it: free trade is a bright shining lie. Free trade is the Trojan Horse of world government. Free trade is the murderer of manufacturing and the primrose path to the loss of national sovereignty and the end of our independence."

Thanks for posting.
13 posted on 08/23/2003 10:25:31 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: cp124
According to Pat, when Dell Computer imports parts for assembly in the U.S., that's bad.
According to Pat, when GM exports parts for assembly in Mexico, that's bad.

I wish he'd make up his mind.

19 posted on 08/23/2003 10:38:36 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: cp124
I've been saying this for some years. We can't get rich selling burgers and information and cheap chinese goods to each other.

We need industry. Smokestacks = wealth.

24 posted on 08/23/2003 10:52:56 AM PDT by LibKill (FReegards, FRiend)
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To: cp124
Already posted here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/964920/posts

36 posted on 08/23/2003 11:48:24 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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Manufacturing gives us the competative edge needed to stabilize our Country. Manufacturing being the core Industries of which then comes the Businessess which in turn creates the Entreprenur's and the job base. From the Entreprenurs we get the upgraded knowledge base required to keep the technology growing and expanding as it should by training the apprentices directly from the master crafstmen.

All industries produce the need for casual laborers and production line personnel and assembly lines which roll off the finished products. The problem that increasingly is destroying our Country is not keeping our core manufacturing industries here under our direct supervision and quality control. The need to protect all our tooling and perfected practices learned over many generations is absolutely necessary to restart our national manufacturing industries. Also the periphal associated industries must be kept here in America so we can complete all final assembly of critical componets of the manufactured piece.

When you stop and examine the root causes of the destruction of America's vital manufacturing industries you must deal with the Traitorous activities of our Military Industrial Complexieties being manipulated by the Department Of Defense and the U.S. State Department. Our entire Manufacturing prowess stemmed from the build up in and prior to WWII. Defense Industry Business grew up around the massive ammounts of Manufacturing producing the needed war material. Many of the spinoff businesses were in fact new manufacturing opportunities that came on line after the War ended. The benefits of the Military Industrial Complex and the vast ammounts of knowledge created by it is what most Americans alive today remember as the good old days. Now because of planned deficits and The Debauching of our Currency by the Federal Reserve System capped off by the Traitor Franklin D. Roosevelt taking us off the Gold Standard we now stand on the edge of the pit with inflation robbing the American Worker of his dignity and forcing them to work for worthless Fiat paper currency the Traitors provide instead of a solid God given revenue we could rebuild a Nation back to greatness with. I still believe in America First and always will.

The Un-American Activities of the State Department policy makers and the Department Of Defense Industries of present day America continue to put our Country up for Sale to the Highest Bidder. As much as I would love to blame hitlery & bill for all this; unfortunately it goes way back past them. They just accelerated the process already in effect and did vast ammounts of irreprable damage in their time allowed. America must not look aside what these two groups mentioned are doing right now to the security and stability of America. Putting vital Manufacturing technology under the control of the Bloody Red Chinese and exporting our once strong manufacturing abilities as well as our job base overseas is nothing less than TREASON OF THE HIGHEST ORDER! This same motley crew sees no problem turning over our most sensitive technology to an enemy desirous of attacking us if the situation presents itself. I would never have thought a few years back that our very own people are the ones we must fear the most and we desparately need those years back now that they are showing their true color...RED!

America and its beguiled citizenry have so many problems and things to be concerned with it is no mystery to those who still have the ability to think and reason where we must truly focus our attention. The policies of Un-Elected government Traitors looking to make a fast buck at the expense of the Country is where we must start. We must at the same time demand Monetary Reform AKA ridding ourselves of the Federal Reserve System and putting America back on the Gold Standard. This would severely hamper TREASON INCORPORATED that currently runs America and the peoples business. It is all our fault ultimately for this mess but in fairness liberal traitors are working overtime to not only take away all mention of Jehovah God in our Country but to destroy all Freedom,Liberty,The Constution and the Bill Of Rights from every American. If there ever was a time in all our History for Warrior Patriots to rise up, it is now. Jehovah Bless America and preserve our Free Republic!

42 posted on 08/23/2003 12:45:05 PM PDT by winker
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Manufacturing is the key to national power. Not only does it pay more than service industries, the rates of productivity growth are higher and the potential of new industries arising is far greater. From radio came television, VCRs, and flat-panel screens. From adding machines came calculators and computers. From the electric typewriter came the word processors. Research and development follow manufacturing.

This salient point that Pat states so well is the very point that most Free Traitor Dunderheads completely miss or are unable to grasp. When a nation loses an important industry it also loses the future spin-off industries that the old industry spawns. For example, as our steel industry withers away due to the allowed mercantile trade practices of other nations, we are losing the technical ability, know how and infrastructure to advance metallurgy into the new metals and compounds of the future which are crucial to maintaining our technological edge and national security.

The One Way Industry Destroying Trade policies of this Administration and Government are literally robbing America of the ability to shape its technological future and the prosperity that flows from it. Implicit in the reckless trade policies of today is some naive B/S notion of dependency on other nations for our critical needs.

It leaves one to wonder just how accommodating say the Red Chinese will be when we have to go to them for our military procurements because we no longer have the industry to produce it ourselves.

62 posted on 08/23/2003 4:12:14 PM PDT by WRhine
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On the eve of World War I, the 13 agricultural colonies on the eastern seaboard had become the richest nation on earth with the highest standard of living, a republic that produced 96 percent of all it consumed while exporting 8 percent of its GNP, an industrial colossus that manufactured more than Britain, France, and Germany combined

Not true, Russia was there too. But truth, Germany & Britian & France out produce both countries. But they reach platue and not improve. Then Russia fall to Communists.

67 posted on 08/23/2003 5:21:07 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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Our Congress is ordered by foreign bureaucrats to alter U.S. law or our companies face penalties. Presidential decisions to protect vital American industries are declared invalid by Eurocrats. The terms of access to the U.S. market are now to be decided in Geneva by Lilliputians of the New World Order.

Actually just as US government has right to ignore insturction so do EU have right to slam US companies working on EU soil. Sovereignty go both way.

68 posted on 08/23/2003 5:24:30 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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A must read, PING
82 posted on 08/23/2003 8:43:16 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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Death of Manufacturing

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Manufacturing is the key to national power. Not only does it pay more than service industries, the rates of productivity growth are higher and the potential of new industries arising is far greater. From radio came television, VCRs, and flat-panel screens. From adding machines came calculators and computers. From the electric typewriter came the word processors. Research and development follow manufacturing.

Alexander Hamilton, the architect of the U.S. economy, knew this. He had served in the Revolution as aide to Washington and lived through the British blockades. He had led the bayonet charge at Yorktown. And he had resolved that never again would his country’s survival depend upon French muskets or French ships.

As first Treasury Secretary, he delivered in 1791 the “Report on Manufactures,” one of America’s great state papers. Reflecting on how close his country had come to losing its liberty, Hamilton wrote,

Not only the wealth, but the independence and security of a country, appear to be materially connected with the prosperity of manufactures. Every nation … ought to endeavor to possess within itself all the essentials of a national supply. These comprise the means of subsistence, habitation, clothing and defense.

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One who has studied how China deals with craven capitalists who come courting is columnist Terry Jeffrey. On inspecting the Web site of Motorola, Jeffrey found this description of how it sees its future:

Motorola is moving toward … taking China as its home and development base. Motorola Chinese Electronics … has increased its investment several times in China without taking away a single dollar. The company reinvested all the profits in China. … Since the very beginning Motorola has brought forward the idea of trying to be a good citizen of China, taking China as its home and thriving with the Chinese people. … The development goal is to become a true Chinese company.

The hilarity of Motorola’s kowtow to the mandarins of the Middle Kingdom aside, this passage reveals a hidden cost of globalization. When U.S. companies go global, they shed their loyalty to America.

Consider Boeing, last surviving U.S. manufacturer of commercial aircraft. Apparently, Boeing has gone beyond building plants in China to make horizontal stabilizers and vertical fins for its fleet. On Jan. 1, this story ran in the New York Times:

The State Department has accused two leading American companies of 123 violations of export laws in connection with the transfer of rocket and satellite data to China during the 1990s. The Boeing company and Hughes Electronics Corporation, a unit of General Motors, were notified of the accusations last week.

Hamilton, Clay, Lincoln, and T.R. would recognize China’s policy for what it is and counter it. But this generation of free traders does not have a clue as to what is going on, or does not care. Either way, the consequences will be the same: de-industrialization of America, decline of the dollar, a deepening dependency on foreign countries for the necessities of our national life, diminished sovereignty, and eventual loss of our independence. If you disbelieve this, look at the once sovereign and independent nations of Europe.



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89 posted on 08/24/2003 5:31:34 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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Dear Mr Buchanan

Trade-Luddite bullshit.

Best regards.

Sincerely

Brian
90 posted on 08/24/2003 6:30:44 AM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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Ping
99 posted on 08/24/2003 9:49:58 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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116 posted on 08/30/2003 4:07:07 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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