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Judge Moore for President? Religious Conservatives & the Danger of Disrespecting a Popular Icon
22 Aug 03 | xzins

Posted on 08/22/2003 7:08:16 AM PDT by xzins

It is reported that Napoleon Bonaparte once said, “It is religion that keeps the poor from murdering the rich.” Rich is, of course, a relative term. One can be “rich” in money, and in the world of religion one can be “rich” in spirit, and in the political realm one can be “rich” in power.

Who is in danger of being murdered?

James Dobson, the leader of “Focus on the Family” has recently voiced his displeasure with the Republican Party over their failure to deliver benefits to the Christian conservatives for their support over these many years. Despite a Senate majority, despite a ‘conservative’ President, despite an iron-grip conservative hold on the House of Representatives, there is precious little (nothing?) from the conservative Christian agenda that has been successfully guided to implementation. In fact, there appears to be backward momentum.

Abortion is as big as ever. School vouchers are little experiments here and there but not under federal authority. Sexuality is now considered under the heading of a newfound freedom of ‘privacy’ that allows any sexual practice to escape even the most reasonable bio-medical review by a state legislature. Marriage is in jeopardy from Massachusetts to California as liberals successfully redefine that institution, considering any form of partnering leading to sexual release on the same par with a man and woman creating and rearing a family.

And now activist judges, seemingly in league with the ACLU, are excising our country’s religious symbols at what can only be described as a hostile pace. They are being permitted to dismantle America’s historic culture of Judeo-Christian morality and replace it with a culture that these judicial architects claim will be neutral, but which is in fact anti-theistic.

Permitted? Who is permitting it?

The religious conservatives would say, “Those we placed our hope in have permitted it. None of the big names stood with us on the firing line. None of them picked sides, went public with their verbal support, and then went public with their actions which demonstrated support.” Not even Attorney General John Ashcroft, the supposed insider religious conservative, spoke up. (John hasn’t spoken up in some time now. Is he gagged?)

We are reminded of the words of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.: "In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."

The Republican Party, very rich in power, is in danger from the common people who make up its religious base.

And right now Judge Roy Moore has immense “good will” with that same religious conservative base of the Republican Party. Where did this good will come from? In the eyes of those conservative Christians, Moore was willing to sacrifice himself for one of their concerns. Make no mistake, they trust this man. His stock is very high in that group at this moment.

We’re told that if Al Gore had received even one percent less of the African American vote, that the 2000 election wouldn’t have even been close. How much more if George W. Bush had received one percent less of the Christian conservative vote? We’re told that Bill Clinton won two elections without ever having a majority of the vote because Ross Perot took up to nineteen percent of the Republican vote away from them. The message is clear. A third candidate popular with religious conservatives will kill the Bush Re-election.

"Flatter me, and I may not believe you. Criticize me, and I may not like you. Ignore me, and I may not forgive you...." (William Arthur Ward.)

To refuse a hearing at the highest level is an insult to a man who in his own sphere has reached the top rung. Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, Judge Roy Moore, has definitely worked his way to a high enough position to have earned the right to be heard. And, in giving a hearing to Moore, they give a hearing to his supporters. Whether the powers in the Republican Party understand the necessity of giving him his hearing is entirely a different subject.

But, if I were an operative for the Constitution Party, and if I were a disgruntled conservative Christian, I would definitely see a man with tremendous name recognition, a solid base of support, and a whole boatload of determination.

Someone needs to talk real-politik to the Republican members of the Supreme Court.


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KEYWORDS: 2004; constitutionparty; gop; politics; religion; roymoore; separation; tencommandments
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To: xzins
If it was the only issue he ran on, and he won, then it gives you some idea of the name recognition and esteem he has with religious conservatives.

It also says something else about those who elected him.

81 posted on 08/22/2003 9:43:02 AM PDT by sinkspur (Get two dogs and be part of a pack!)
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To: xzins
Seriously, if Howard Brown was able to mobilize the Libertarians on a theme characterized by the as "ignore the rest of the world," then Moore will be able to mobilize troops around their common religion.

You want to elect a person ONLY because of their religious beliefs??

82 posted on 08/22/2003 9:45:02 AM PDT by Mo1 (I still hate Liberal Democrats)
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To: xzins
It is to be remembered that...
This issue is about a mere plaque on the wall in a judges chambers.... and pressured to take it down he put it in his courtroom, and finally emblazoned in a 2 ton granite statement in the courthouse foyer...

Removeing the "offense" from the foyer, then the courtroom, then to above the judges private desk is the issue.. The 2 ton slab may grab the attention but the "IDEA" is what offends the muckrakers... Going for the jugular of judeo-christian high-ground "they think".. The important thing is "THEY" have declared war, not mere secular license.

As Joseph McCarthy touched the tip of an iceberg, Ann Coulter got a little closer in her book TREASON. Hopefully, in her next book she will get even closer to displaying the entire iceberg.. because to most republicans this iceberg is a ice decoration at a gala fund raiseing event of some sort.."We won the cold war" is dis-information.

The only standard these scularists have comparable to the 10 commandments(aka Bible) is the Communist Manifesto... Really, If anyone actually thinks its still about a democracy when we live in a Republic, THEIR CORRECT.....

Democracy is the road to socialism. Karl Marx
Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. V.I. Lenin

83 posted on 08/22/2003 9:45:46 AM PDT by hosepipe
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To: sinkspur
It doesn't matter.

All that matters is that he's very good at collecting votes.

He's also a true believer.

I think he and his supporters should be granted their full hearing in the Supreme Court.
84 posted on 08/22/2003 9:46:00 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: BamaG
"I've always held my nose and voted"

Seems to be a common occurance here in Alabama. You know, with Alabama being such a great place to live, we sure have some crappy choices in at the polls.

85 posted on 08/22/2003 9:47:09 AM PDT by sweet_diane (Philippians 4:12-13)
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To: xzins
Seriously, if Howard Brown was able to mobilize the Libertarians on a theme characterized by the as "ignore the rest of the world," then Moore will be able to mobilize troops around their common religion.

Moore better hope he does better than Harry Browne; Harry finished at some percentage of one percent, and drew less than a million votes.

A thinking believer who follows a man who runs as a theocrat is not thinking. Ayatollah Khomenei was elected by "troops mobilized around their common religion."

86 posted on 08/22/2003 9:48:23 AM PDT by sinkspur (Get two dogs and be part of a pack!)
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To: Mo1
It's irrelevant what I want.

The question is whether or not this man can receive lots of votes. If the answer to that is "yes," then keep him in your party by giving him his full hearing before the Supreme Court.

It's a small price to pay. And even if they lose they'll be grateful to you for the opportunity.
87 posted on 08/22/2003 9:48:35 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: xzins
"Some will finally admit that it's time to "give principle a chance."

principle..what a concept!

88 posted on 08/22/2003 9:48:39 AM PDT by sweet_diane (Philippians 4:12-13)
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To: onedoug
In this sense, yes, I feel your posts undergird Islamism.

I obviously don't. I think Judge Moore is a disgrace.

If anything paves the way for arbitrary Sharia type law, it having a State Supreme Court Chief Justice openly promising to defy the United States Supreme Court.

To engineer a confrontation and attempt to create a Constitutional Crisis by defying the Supreme Court of the United States just makes a mockery of our whole system of Government by laws. It creates a prescedent for liberals to do exactly the same kind of thing.

The Constitution must be inviolate.
It must be exactly what the Supreme Court says it is or we have no system of Laws, but only popularity contests.
Unfortunately we have a group of rogue Justices on the court who do not understand this.

I don't like what the Supremes are doing either, but the way to change that is to impeach them and/or support the apointment of strict constructionist replacements.

So9

89 posted on 08/22/2003 9:51:09 AM PDT by Servant of the Nine (A Goldwater Republican)
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To: sinkspur
I think Moore is an icon now for evangelical, religious conservatives.

If he runs, and if he's articulate, then there's a real problem. Especially if he gets funding.

Why not just give him his full hearing in the Supreme Court?
90 posted on 08/22/2003 9:52:05 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: xzins
The Senate, where judges are approved- or not, is the place for him to be.

Doesn't strike me as "slick" enough for the media though, and the national media will be bashing him all the time.
I've no idea of how he is thought of by the voters- or his views on other topics.

Nationally, unless he has a whole lot more to offer, he'd just be another "one percenter" and would hurt his views instead of advancing them.

91 posted on 08/22/2003 9:53:05 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: xzins
It's a small price to pay. And even if they lose they'll be grateful to you for the opportunity

Sorry pal, I won't be grateful

We DON'T elect someone to President of the United States ONLY because of their religious beliefs.

That is to dangerous to even consider .. Good Grief

92 posted on 08/22/2003 9:53:05 AM PDT by Mo1 (I still hate Liberal Democrats)
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To: magellan
a question.

If someone wants pay for the building and installation of a monument (within the realm of 'good taste' etc) and donate it to a public building, such as the SCOA, could they? Could a Jewish or Muslim organization do the same? That would work for me.

93 posted on 08/22/2003 9:54:39 AM PDT by sweet_diane (Philippians 4:12-13)
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To: sweet_diane
I wonder if PRINCIPLE + God = Victory.

In His realm anyway. Life and that more abundantly.

As you suggest, we can do all this through the strength that He gives.
94 posted on 08/22/2003 9:55:36 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: mrsmith
I disagree with the 1 percent.

I'd put him from 4-10 percent.

I'd love to see his name on a survey list of opponents.

Of course this is all speculation, but the number of conservative Christians is significant.
95 posted on 08/22/2003 9:58:18 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: xzins
The Greens still love Ralph. The Dems despise him.

Whether Moore is a true believer is not the issue. Although he ran as a Republican to get into office, if he runs for President on the Constitutional Party ticket and draws 10% of the people who voted for Bush in the last election to his party, as you claim and allows a Dem to win the presidency, count on Moore being as despised by the Republicans--just as Ross Perot is despised for helping Clinton into office in 1992.

However, if Moore wants to run on a third party ticket--and it seems as though it's what you're advocating--there's nothing anyone can do to stop him. In fact, with very little editing, his speeches could be converted to stump speeches. And with 10% of the vote, he could probably make it into the national debates.

96 posted on 08/22/2003 9:58:19 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Servant of the Nine
It creates a prescedent for liberals to do exactly the same kind of thing.

Liberals would never make the case for even the utility of liberty owing its origin to a transcendent source.

And once that concept is gone from American life...the treasure in the lives of so many gone before, even as much as I wouldn't want to believe that we couldn't...I don't think we could ever get it back.

97 posted on 08/22/2003 9:58:47 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: NewLand
You have confused Christian fundamentalism with conservatism. I see no particular reason why I should have to prove my credentials to you.
98 posted on 08/22/2003 9:59:05 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Catspaw
Actually, I'm advocating that the Republicans keep him in the fold by giving him his hearing before the full Supreme Court.

He and his supporters will then be grateful to/bound to those who helped him.
99 posted on 08/22/2003 10:00:46 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: xzins
Why not just give him his full hearing in the Supreme Court?

So what you're really saying is if the Supreme Court won't grant cert, Moore will run for President? Where the logic in that? The President has no influence whatsoever over what cases are granted cert and which aren't--but you seem to be saying that if Moore isn't granted cert, he'd run for President, not getting enough votes to win the presidency, but to become a spoiler for President Bush?

100 posted on 08/22/2003 10:01:17 AM PDT by Catspaw
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