God Bless Judge Roy Moore - Save the Ten Commandments

http://www.dondodd.com/zeiger/hans.html ^ | August 21, 2003 | Hans Zeiger

[CtPoliticsGuy]

In a recent piece of hate mail, I was taken to task for using the term "God-given rights." "GOD doesn't give rights; the CONSTITUTION does," wrote the critic from Surf City, California. Actually, the constitution acknowledges the rights that are established in the Ten Commandments of God. Like Mr. Surf City, Judge Myron Thompson misunderstood the relationship between God and government when he ruled that Alabama Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore cannot display the Ten Commandments.

In this iconic battle between American values and liberal secularism, every political and social debate that is worth the fight will be won or lost. The Ten Commandments must remain on display in Montgomery, Alabama and in the hearts of Americans from coast to coast.

We are blessed to live in a nation where the Ten Commandments are the basis of our system of law and justice, as well as of our common moral code and culture. The law of God alone contains the actual rights to life, liberty, and property. The commandments are universal repudiations of every attempt by individuals and governments to murder, enslave, and steal.

The Founding Fathers recognized that government cannot grant rights by the same token that it cannot take them away. Instead, "All men are created equal . . . they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights."

The genius of the constitutional Bill of Rights is that it respects the inalienable rights to life, liberty, and property granted by God. Instead of granting or creating rights, the Bill of Rights plainly asserts that government lacks certain rights. "Congress shall make no law . . ." "The right of the people . . . shall not be infringed." "The right of the people . . . shall not be violated." The Bill of Rights tells us what government cannot do.

But to become acquainted with the actual establishment of rights, we must turn to the moral law of God.

The First Commandment is, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." In response to this commandment, the Left talks about "freedom from religion." Yet from the First Commandment to the First Amendment, there is no such thing as freedom from religion.

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[Luis Gonzalez]

Maybe the Muslims will help Roy Moore.

The Ten Commandments (Exodus 12: 1-17 & Deuteronomy 5: 6-21)	Confirmation in the Quran (Chapter: Verse)
1. Thou shall not take any God except one God.	1. There is no God except one God (47:19)
2. Thou shall make no image of God.	2. There is nothing whatsoever like unto Him (42:11)
3. Thou shall not use God's name in vain.	3. Make not God's name an excuse to your oaths (2:224)
4. Thou shall honor thy mother and father.	4. Be kind to your parents if one or both of them attain old age in thy life, say not a word of contempt nor repel them but address them in terms of honor. (17:23)
5. Thou shall not steal.	5. As for the thief, male or female, cut off his or her hands, but those who repent After a crime and reform shall be forgiven by God for God is forgiving and kind. (5:38 - 39)
6. Thou shall not lie or give false testimony.	6. They invoke a curse of God if they lie. (24:7) Hide not the testimony (2:283)
7. Thou shall not kill.	7. If anyone has killed one person it is as if he had killed the whole mankind (5:32)
8. Thou shall not commit adultery.	8. Do not come near adultery. It is an indecent deed and a way for other evils. (17:32)
9. Thou shall not covet thy neighbors wife or possessions.	9, Do good to your parents, relatives and neighbors. (4:36) Saying of the Prophet Muhammad (P) "One of the greatest sins is to have illicit sex with your neighbors wife".
10. Thou shall keep the Sabbath holy.	10. When the call for the Friday Prayer is made, hasten to the remembrance of God and leave off your business. (62:9)

[Luis Gonzalez]

Pssst...that was copied exactly as Jefferson wrote it.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"However, don't the able people of the sovereign state of Alabama have the necessary wherewithall to decide for themselved what sort of ornaments they want to put in their state and municipal buildings?"

A more timely question may be, do they need Judge Moore to tell them?

[Robert_Paulson2]

I wanna know that too...

we don't obey or promote those laws on any level, with the exception of a minority.

we likely have more in common with the code of hammurabi than we do with the ten commandments...

how can the ten be the BASIS FOR ALL LAWS in this land, if we do not obey or enforce them?

[TigersEye]

A more timely question may be, do they need Judge Moore to tell them?

They elected him and there has been no call to impeach or recall him.

[Robert_Paulson2]

http://eawc.evansville.edu/anthology/hammurabi.htm

at least with hammurabi's code, we could have a much larger and impressive altar upon which the judge could rest his ego.

[Robert_Paulson2]

I know that... I thought it might be more legible with the key points highlighed.. I did a no no... sorry....

[TigersEye]

how can the ten be the BASIS FOR ALL LAWS in this land,

Who said they were?

[Robert_Paulson2]

Finally, in answer to Fortescue Aland's question why the ten commandments should not now be a part of the common law of England? we may say they are not because they never were made so by legislative authority, the document which has imposed that doubt on him being a manifest forgery.

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incredible... thanks for the link...

[Luis Gonzalez]

It's OK, a good friend keeps telling me to format Jefferson so that we of the sound byte and television mentality can follow his thoughts. Something to do with limited attention spans.

[AEMILIUS PAULUS]

Nothing effective will be done to prevent the removal of the monument. However, realize that as the great historian said "..leadership in declining states intuitively choses the most harmful course of action." There are many meanings to this cryptic phrase. Store up what has happened. The various outcast groups will continue to bungle-in many areas- until the elastic limit is reached.

[Luis Gonzalez]

They elected him to be a Judge, which is to apply case law to cases brought before him, not to be an activist.

[Robert_Paulson2]

The Judge was on the radio yesterday, he mentioned that Alabama's constitution specifically references "God" in the formation of their state laws. <---------------------------from above...

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PLUS I heard it today when he called in on the hannity radio comedy hour.<------------------------------- you could order a transcript...

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Plus do a search on all the judge moore is the savior threads... and see the posts of dozens of the "true conservatives". <----------------- and if you don't think it's a common claim, take it up with them... I am sure they will literally try to kick your teeth in... as a reprobate! Of course if you can make up grounds other than theirs to justify the judge breaking the law, they will ignore your failure to follow "the TRUTH" ... for now.

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get a grip because this has been ruled about on the state and federal level... and the judge was found to be wrong. and will continue to be. despite protestations to the contrary, there IS a wall between church and state, and it will be upheld. the monument must be removed. end of story.

[anton]

Well, if the Chief Justice of the California Supreme Court is a Black Muslim, are you comfortable seeking justice in a Courthouse with a 20 foot statue of Elijah Muhammad?

[TigersEye]

They elected him to be a Judge, which is to apply case law to cases brought before him, not to be an activist.

I heard him on the radio today say that as Chief Justice of Alabama he doesn't sit behind the bench and hear cases. Putting up a monument doesn't make him an activist either.

[TigersEye]

...there IS a wall between church and state, and it will be upheld. the monument must be removed. end of story.

Despite your hyperbolic rhetoric the story is far from over. The monument in no way violates the 1st Amendment, it doesn't establish religion on behalf of the government or interfere with established religions. Judge Moore is not justifying his defiance of the court based on secular law, he clearly said that there will be legal consequences and he will willingly face them. He will have his day in court to appeal this though, unless his right to due process is also denied him along with his right to free speech and his right to free exercise of religion by acknowledging God.

[Robert_Paulson2]

The monument in no way violates the 1st Amendment, it doesn't establish religion on behalf of the government or interfere with established religions.

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It seems the courts do not agree with the judge... or you. It seems thus far that the PTB think this is an illegal religious display. I don't know you from moses. But I do know some of the judges better than either you or moses.

I am going to have to go with THEIR determination, not yours.

sorry if that is empty rhetoric to you. to me, it's more like reality for judge moore and his altar to his religion... in his courthouse.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Putting up a monument doesn't make him an activist either."

Please, don't insult my intelligence.

[John H K]

A municipal judge in Dearborn, Michigan, puts up a 2-ton monument in the lobby of his courthouse inscribed with the Five Pillars of Islam.

Fine with you?

[John H K]

In a recent piece of hate mail, I was taken to task for using the term "God-given rights." "GOD doesn't give rights; the CONSTITUTION does," wrote the critic from Surf City, California. Actually, the constitution acknowledges the rights that are established in the Ten Commandments of God.

Ironic that the author of this piece is a Ten Commandment violator, in that he's a liar.

There's not a mention of God in the entire text of the Constitution. All mention of religion is notably absent in the preamble. There's a lone mention of "In the Year of Our Lord etc. etc." at the end, but that's basically boilerplate. Interesting how people have to constantly reference the Declaration of Independence (obviously an important historical document but one that is legally irrelevant to us today) and sort of pretend it's the Constitution...I remember the hilarious threads about the European Union Constitution and how people were horrifed that some didn't want to mention God in it, when our own constitution doesn't mention God.

The other funny thing about these threads are how many people are naive and uneducated enough to believe that the only thing it's possible to derive a moral code from are the Ten Commandments; there are literally hundreds of religions totally outside (and even pre-dating) the Judeo-Christian tradition with prohibitions on stealing, murder, etc.

And dozens of philosphers have derived moral systems without reference to religion or a deity at all.