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IBM lays off 15,000, HP 1300 [Outsourcing]
The Register ^ | 8/21/2003 | Andrew Orlowski

Posted on 08/21/2003 9:44:06 AM PDT by ZeitgeistSurfer

Veteran IBM-watchers know how testing it is to read one of the company's financial statements. In the early days of the cold war, Churchill described the Soviet Union as "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma". But compared to earnings releases from companies such as Apple and Sun - who provide terse and lucid declarations - you can be forgiven for thinking of IBM's announcements as a cloud wrapped in a fog containing a temporary heat-haze.

However, this much is clear: IBM has shed 15,000 jobs in the past quarter: 1400 from the microelectronics division and a staggering "14,213 Global Services personnel" in response to "the recent decline in corporate spending on technology-related services". To balance the books, IBM also bunged its recent acquisition, PwC, by almost $400 million.

In an SEC filing posted last week, IBM maintained that demand was strong. So strong, it had to conduct a private pogrom in its own services division. Clearly, something doesn't add up - even by IBM's own admission.

Perhaps an email from a soon-to-be redundant HP employee to The Register sheds some light on the situation. HP announced earnings this week that fell below expectations and added that it would make 1,300 "unexpected" human sacrifices to cover the shortfall. In contrast to previous "sheddings" of fluff in the "labor market", the middle class now feels the pain.

"Sorry but I'm due in early Sunday to train my replacement in Bangalore," the (almost) ex-HPer explained. "It's because of the time difference."

Offshore drilling

Hidden beneath the already hard-to-find news of job cuts is a massive transfer of IT resources to India and China. While only a few years ago we were promised a "Long Boom" of infinite prosperity, by "gurus" such as Wired executive Kevin Kelly, it now appears that every tech job can be cut or outsourced with impunity. Kelly is never happier, by his own admission, than when he's lying down in Pacifica dreaming of insects.

For the rest of us, needs are rather more pressing.

Not to appear to be picking on IBM or HP in particular, there doesn't seem to be a tech job left that's safe.

This has yet to emerge as an election issue, although it represents an assault on middle class expectations that's unparalleled in peacetime. But it is important and needs some context.

As the world's largest democracy, and with a philosophical and scientific tradition that (outside the Muslim world) is second to none, India has every reason to look upon the recent occidental outbreak of what we call "capitalism" as a temporary aberration.

It's worth nothing that in common with his fellow Victorian political economists, Marx found the oriental model so strange that he excluded it from his theories entirely.

But outbreaks of tech independence abound. The People's Republic of China has shown both a cavalier disregard for Western IP (aka "intellectual property") and boasts a proud confidence that its own homegrown talent can transform a pay-for "IP" import into an indigenous social resource. [See Trade Wars II: China shuns Qualcomm - no CDMA tax! - EU frets over China's 3G plan and Motorola gambles big on Linux, Sinocapitalism for more details].

Given China's astonishing historical legacy of engineering excellence, this is far from foolish. Dammit, weren't our kids supposed to bring home the bacon?

On this side of the Gulf, we're sure to hear cries of anguish, as the parents of expensively educated middle-class kids learn that their investment (and, in the US, this can be upwards of $120,000 per child) has gone offshore.

Which brings us to a particularly anxious conundrum. The prosperity that we felt was assured, and by rights, ours in the West no longer belongs to us. Those college dollars look like a poor investment, when a cleverer Indian can perform the same task for a tenth of the salary. So why did we spend all that money? Who, at what point, added enough "value" to justify the investment?

It's a good question. In a historical perspective the Indian, Muslim and Chinese engineers whose forefathers created so much of this intellectual infastructure are only reaping their due rewards. For Western kids, however, this does seem a bum deal. "Weren't we supposed to be clever[-er] than everyone else?" a recent graduate asked me recently. Well, er, actually no.

Smarts is as smarts gets.

Forget your O'Reilly PERL course, and follow the money. A course in Mandarin or Arabic is probably the shrewdest investment a parent can make right now.

Go west, my son... and then keep going

The inexorable logic of digital capitalism has rewarded companies such as Dell, which add no value, and pare costs to the bone, and ruthlessly punished systems companies such as Sun and Apple, which invest in R&D. For reasons best known to themselves, these companies invest in the hard stuff that can't easily be commoditised. Logic suggests that such companies are the bulwark against copy-cat Oriental opportunism.

While you might think much of the above is facetious, the West faces a very real problem: we have a surfeit of well educated kids who, if we accept the orthodoxies of asset-stripping capitalism, simply can't compete with foreign competitors without tilting the playing field.

When capitalism went digital, the first casualties were manual laborers. Now that skilled engineering jobs are being transferred offshore, the middle class is in the firing line, and this poses a very real crisis for a large and not-entirely unimportant section of society. Go to college, learn tech skills and - oops, sorry - you're job has just gone offshore. Please accept this redundancy slip and some small token that your worthless (hard-earned) contribution has enriched the global economy. Or as the creepier types insist, the global "eco-system".

Technology once promised us vistas of endless prosperity, and saw itself aloof from the obligations of political economy or globalisation. Now these pigeons are coming home to roost, and "technology" is more of a liability than it is a blessing.

It's dry, academic stuff to be sure. But when jobs are being lost on such an extraordinary scale, scarcely reported, is there a politician bold enough even to raise the issue?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News
KEYWORDS: hp; ibm; outsourcing
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To: warchild9
I agree that the loss of jobs will be the issue come election time...

war or no war....people's security and their optimism about the future comes from their perceived ability to earn a living, as well as their children's ability.....

this is not GW's fault....its more the fault of the Toon than anyone'...

I just got to ask....where were all you people during the 90's when there was a ton of lost jobs, Nafta was enacted, taxes skyrocketed, and thousands of manufacturing jobs were shut down.....

for us personally, being small potatoe investors....we did not see much gain in the 90's.....

my hubby's job has been slowing rotting since the mid-90's

trade deficits mushroomed and bankruptcies did as well....

we should have been screaming more 6 years ago....that's when the real damage was done.....

141 posted on 08/21/2003 10:53:42 AM PDT by cherry
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To: warchild9
Sorry about the repeat. I'm almost done eating.
142 posted on 08/21/2003 10:54:04 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: warchild9
It was not my implication, but the so-called RedBloodedAmerican's. My posting simply validates what you overheard in the restaurant.
IBM is clearly no longer run they way it once was. It no longer deserves any loyalty or admiration. In fact, I it is now a multi-national corporation, not American, and deserves none of the benefits of being an American corporation.
143 posted on 08/21/2003 10:54:14 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: fortaydoos
As a self-proclaimed supporter of capitalism and freemarkets, you think people "give" 300 million bucks away with nothing expected in return?

Of course not, I get a great return from the money I contribute to GOP candidates. And I'm very happy with the ones I've given to. (Not sure they've changed one thing they believed because of anything I or anyone else have given them though.)

144 posted on 08/21/2003 10:54:26 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg (I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
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To: riri
It is an intersting book and the author puts forward a lot of "outside" the box ideas regarding dealing with the risks

Got a title for that book? Would like to read it. I've often thought that insurance is the way to take care of corporate financial scandals. The company takes out audit insurance.

Now the company doesn't pay its own auditors which 99% of the time taints them. The insurance company is responsible for it as they're on the hook for millions if an investor digs up some dirt. Everyone now has an incentive to be better.

As for personal earnings insurance, that could be a hard one to sell. The companies would have to know a lot more about you and that involves spending a lot of money and I don't think they could make it back in premiums.

I suppose bankruptcy is a form of insurance. If you get way into debt then you could declare that and the people that leant you money end up paying a premium of sorts.
145 posted on 08/21/2003 10:54:37 AM PDT by lelio
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To: Texas_Dawg
When were times better?

Around the mid 1960s the US average per capita income was about 2-1/2 time what it is today. We have been going straight down hill since.

But, look at the bright side, President Hilary Clinton is a fellow New Yorker, just like you.
146 posted on 08/21/2003 10:54:46 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
A word of wisdom to the soon-to-be parents. Always give your children names with four letters or less. That way, when all else fails, they can always easily fit their names into that little oval patch they'll be sporting on their grease-covered uniforms.
147 posted on 08/21/2003 10:55:03 AM PDT by Hatteras (I've got to stop wishin', got to go fishin'...)
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To: Tokhtamish
The whirlwind technological change of the 90's, when everything changed every four years has stopped. I don't see people shifting to .NET. They are staying with Visual Stuudio 6.0. So it has become a commodity

I can tell you as fact: People are switching to .NET. I see it out here every day.

148 posted on 08/21/2003 10:55:34 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I'm pretending I'm pulling in a TROUT! Am I doing it correctly?)
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
The irony of the thing is that india doesn't have the infrastructure to support it and even if they did soon india won't be able to support the primary language of the US, which will be spanish.
149 posted on 08/21/2003 10:55:39 AM PDT by CJ Wolf (repeat this mantra over and over.)
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To: ARCADIA
Around the mid 1960s the US average per capita income was about 2-1/2 time what it is today.

Ha! Are you joking? Please show me the link to this stat.

150 posted on 08/21/2003 10:55:55 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg (I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
Then you can go there with your little church group and feel all warm and fuzzy and charitable.

Haha. Sweet. Some anti-Christian rhetoric thrown in for good measure. Happy, happy people at FR.

Why should you complain ? You are Randian libertarian and they are atheistic Social Darwinists.

151 posted on 08/21/2003 10:56:10 AM PDT by Tokhtamish
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To: cherry
I am telling everyone right now.....

WE NEED TO START DRILLING IN ALASKA IMMEDIATELY.....

and if we can't keep our techno jobs, lets at least use our God-given natural resources to not only bolster our economy, but send the Islamist back to the middle ages..( oh, I forgot...they're already there...lol)

152 posted on 08/21/2003 10:56:11 AM PDT by cherry
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
IBM is run by mercenary suits. The Mrs. quit IBM when Gerstner took over--she saw the writing on the wall. The older employees laughed at her choice to run. Hm!
153 posted on 08/21/2003 10:56:36 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: lelio
If you don't mind worshipping a cow

Duh, India's got about 30 million Christians too by the latest census.
154 posted on 08/21/2003 10:56:41 AM PDT by Cronos (Reagan waz best, but Dubya's close!)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Check www.bls.com.

It has the real unemployment numbers. If you count in discouraged workers it is 10.2%.

155 posted on 08/21/2003 10:58:32 AM PDT by Tokhtamish
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To: ARCADIA
Actually, the average per capita income in the 60's was SIX times what it is today, taking into consideration tax increases (we pay an effective rate of 50-70% today, at all levels, depending on where you live and your bracket).
156 posted on 08/21/2003 10:58:56 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: american spirit
Ironic the howls of anguish when the shoe is on the other foot and it's not the union boys and other blue collar types losing their livelihoods.

Amazed me then, the complacency about the jobs. The anger doesn't surprise me either, but it's too late.

Satellite comms and 24/7 ops make certain jobs rather fungible these days.

And even hitech design work, for instance, Nokia opened a 400-500 person R&D center in India recently, bypassing Boston, Silicon Valley, Urbana, the Research Triangle or Austin/Dallas. Those jobs are for ME's and Phd types. No call center stuff there.

It's a shame but I don't see what can be done now or how the battered middle class who've lost jobs can get ones with a similar salary.



157 posted on 08/21/2003 10:59:02 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Tokhtamish
Why should you complain ? You are Randian libertarian and they are atheistic Social Darwinists.

I don't believe in Ayn Rand's theology at all.

158 posted on 08/21/2003 10:59:07 AM PDT by Texas_Dawg (I will not rest until every "little man" is destroyed.)
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To: MatthewViti
Thank Bush..he just outsourced many jobs to India.

Isn't it just awful! Those nasty conservative Republicans are always ruining everything. They make the rich richer, poor poorer, start all these nasty wars with nice religious folks like the Taliban and nice guys like Sadam (he was just like a father to the Iraqis!), and they STEAL all the elections. Don't you just wish we could have those wonderful Democrats running the whole world?

Well, there is a place almost like that. Move to socialist Europe. You'd love it there! Don't except to work much, or own a home, or live in an apartment over, say 600 sq. feet.

FReegards, SFS

159 posted on 08/21/2003 10:59:54 AM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: Texas_Dawg
Yeah, it's the Democrats fault that Americans aren't willing to (nor shouldn't be expected to) work for $5000/year and "enjoy" the wonderful standard of living that would go with it. It's one-world-globalism's fault and the leaders who support it, rather than supporting the interests of the nation they gave an oath to protect.
160 posted on 08/21/2003 10:59:58 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (Willie Green for President...)
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