US Supreme Court refuses to block removal of Ten Commandments

Sean Hannity Show ^ | 8-20-03 | Sean Hannity

[Atlas Sneezed]

US Supreme Court refuses to block removal of Ten Ccommandments from Alabama courthouse.

[microgood]

If we're going to be nation governed by the Rule of Law, then there has to be a final word that we all agree is that final word.

This only works if the ones making the final decision are fulfilling their obligations to interpret the law rather than make it. If they do not fulfill their obligations, I do not feel any obligation to fulfill my end of the deal.

[Havoc]

If you defy the courts and get away with it, our whole constitutional system breaks down.

Give me a break. No it does not. It didn't break down when the courts were defied by our forefathers before and it isn't going to now. The courts have no legislative power and they are legislating from the bench. The system is broken as is. What are you doing about it?! Where are the petitions for Impeachment due to violation of the separation of powers? If Congress ruled tomorrow that blacks aren't due the rights of whites, would you abide by such a proclamation and or law? Would you lick your wounds and work the system? I wouldn't. I'd stand up to it because it's wrong. If you haven't the moral fiber or courage to stand up to it, then you deal with your cowardice but don't lecture me about playing the system.

I'm not advocating revolution. If one is required I think those capable of doing so will invoke the declaration and stand on it. But Luther didn't secure his rights as a Black man in America by saying please. He got them by pointing to the constitution and saying NOW! Just as our forefathers did. This isn't something that happened over night - it's taken years of liberal judges legislating from the bench to get us to this point and it's gone unchallenged. You tell me how the system has worked to fix it when it just continues getting worse. At some point people have to stand up and say no more. The system be damned. If the system is broke it doesn't get fixed by playing it. You're approach is to keep sticking quarters into the broken coke machine hoping that a cold can will drop when it didn't for the past 10 bucks you put in. Fix the coke machine first, then put the money in. Think!

[rwfromkansas]

I don't know if you want him as a friend. Check his tagline.

[billbears]

There is no basis in the U.S. Constitution for the edicts of federal judges trying to remove religious symbols from public property. The "separation of church and state" doctrine is formed from an unsupported and overly broad application of the First and Fourteenth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution to apply federal jurisdiction to all levels of government. Such an interpretation is clearly invalid and itself stands in clear violation of the Tenth Amendment, thus rendering this doctrine unenforceable under law.

Do you honestly believe Democrats or Republicans care about the Tenth Amendment anymore? Especially at the national level, considering to admit the powers under the Tenth would take the power out of their precious greedy hands and put it back where it was meant to be. In the state legislatures

[SedVictaCatoni]

I don't know if you want him as a friend. Check his tagline.

Yes. My tagline pledges defiance to theocrats, both Judge Moore and the Taliban alike, who want to proclaim that one religion is the Official Truth. As a Christian, I despise the persecution of radical Islam, and I despise the haughty arrogance and brazen constitutional defiance of radical Judge Moore.

[MatthewViti]

Your true colors show. It's all about Bush and the other RINOS huh? Don't throw morality out the window for the sake of man. We'll all have to answer to God someday, not any man.

[B Knotts]

I thought you were educated but I was obviously wrong. I have "an attitude" for thinking that the First Amendment applied to the states.

Which law has Congress made, establishing a religion, that has caused the Ten Commandments display to be placed in the rotunda of the Alabama Supreme Court?

[rwfromkansas]

Were Jefferson/Madison tyrants for pushing for a bill to punish sabbath breakers on Virginia, on the same day the Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom was either passed or introduced (can't remember which)?

I am not saying we should do that today, but my goodness. WAKE UP!!!! Posting some Ten Commandments up is nothing even remotely close to what has been done in our history by the very people who pushed for and passed the First Amendment.

[rwfromkansas]

The First Amendment does not apply to the states, and even if it did, posting the 10 Commandments is not remotely close to an esablishment of religion as understood in the records of debate on the First Amendment's passage. You can read those records in the Annals of Congress.

[cricket]

p.s. ". . .and their place in 'America's Moral history' so to speak; and that history unfolding. . ."

Let me just add to that how sick I am of Liberals using the delete key on our history; our language (PC);our traditions;social and religious and cultural.

This is just one more 'hit'. . .

[Lancey Howard]

The scumbags are winning.

I understand that people are watching

[Colonel Jim]

May the good lord save us. The Ten Commandments are the very basis from which our laws were shaped. This is a potentially very serious president set by the Supreme Court of the United States.

Col. Jim

[Dog Gone]

Regardless, the First Amendment already has, so arguing that it shouldn't have is like me arguing that that the Packers shouldn't have defeated my Cowboys in the Ice Bowl. It's kind of a done deal.

Cripes, what an attitude. The entire argument is about federal courts making law out of whole cloth and you just bowe your head and mumble "It's kind of a done deal".

For what is worth, that is the statement that I thought you took out of context. Looking back at your post and mine, you didn't. So my accusation is wrong. I apologize.

My mistake was in trying to smooth things over. I should have been quite firm in pointing out that the First Amendment does apply to the states, and that's firmly established constitutional law.

It's pretty weird that this is debatable at a conservative forum.

[MatthewViti]

Jesus loves you.

[Dog Gone]

The First Amendment does not apply to the states,

Where do you get this crappy information? I mean, are Freepers this misinformed?? Cripes!

This is not even debatable.

[jwalsh07]

It's pretty weird that this is debatable at a conservative forum

We are not talking about the First Amendment in it's entirety, I at least, am talking about the "establishemnt and free exercise" clause of the First Amendment.

I think it is eminently debatable but you're one of the good guys and I don't want to make you an enemy.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

With Lugsoul, on the other hand, I have no problem in wrestling in the mud.

Lug, did you read post #582? :-}

[jwalsh07]

This is not even debatable.

Read post 582. It was debated in Congress 16 more times since 1875. Never able to pass an Amendment with words "Congress and the States shall ......"

Evidently it was debatable. In fact, it was a big ole BONE of contention. :-}

[MatthewViti]

FLOSSENBURG PRISON April 9, 1945. Today the controversial theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer, along with other members of the Admiral Canaris resistance group, was executed here by hanging.

Bonhoeffer went calmly to his death. This morning as he was led out of his cell, he was observed by the prison doctor who said: "Through the half-open door I saw Pastor Bonhoeffer still in his prison clothes, kneeling in fervent prayer to the Lord his God. The devotion and evident conviction of being heard that I saw in the prayer of this intensely captivating man moved me to the depths."

The prisoners were ordered to strip. Naked under the scaffold, Bonhoeffer knelt for one last time to pray. Five minutes later, he was dead.

Bonhoeffer was condemned for his involvement in "Operation 7," a rescue mission that had helped a small group of Jews over the German border and into Switzerland. The 39-year-old theologian had also been involved in planning an unsuccessful assassination attempt on the life of Adolf Hitler. His participation in the murder plot obviously conflicts with Bonhoeffer's position as a pacifist. His sister-in-law, Emmi Bonhoeffer, cited his reasoning. He told her: "If I see a madman driving a car into a group of innocent bystanders, then I can't, as a Christian, simply wait for the catastrophe and then comfort the wounded and bury the dead. I must try to wrestle the steering wheel out of the hands of the driver."

Interestingly, Bonhoeffer had safely escaped the troubles in Europe and gone to teach in New York in June, 1939. He abruptly returned less than a month later saying: "I have had time to think and to pray about my situation, and that of my nation, and to have God's will for me clarified. I have come to the conclusion that I have made a mistake in coming to America. I shall have no right to participate in the reconstruction of the Christian life in Germany after the war if I did not share in the trials of this time with my people. Christians in Germany face the terrible alternative of willing the defeat of their nation in order that civilization may survive, or willing the victory of their nation and thereby destroying civilization. I know which of these alternatives I must choose. But I cannot make that choice in security."

Bonhoeffer, even while in prison, maintained his pastoral role. Those who were with him spoke of the guidance and spiritual inspiration he gave not only to fellow inmates but to prison guards as well.

In a letter smuggled out of prison Bonhoeffer showed no bitterness but rather explained how, "We in the resistance have learned to see the great events of world history from below, from the perspective of the excluded, the ill treated, the powerless, the oppressed and despised... so that personal suffering has become a more useful key for understanding the world than personal happiness."

http://www.gospelcom.net/chi/GLIMPSEF/Glimpses/glmps063.shtml

[Diverdogz]

This is a potentially very serious president set by the Supreme Court of the United States.

A very series President, indeed. ...or did you mean precedent?

[Southack]

"Right. The Liberty Bell is a religious display. Got any more?"

Yes, but it's a little more than just that.

The Liberty Bell, and its biblical inscription from Leviticus, was one of those dreaded "solitary" displays of only one religion (one presumes: Judeo/Christian/Islamic) inside the very chambers of the U.S. Supreme Court.

A display that has never been challenged, not even once, by the rabid supporters of the mythical "separation of Church and State" camp.

Who knows, perhaps Judge Moore will install a Liberty Bell monument inside Alabama's Supreme Court building next time, just to see how the High court rules on one of its own decorations...