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Carelessness and Casualness in worship
The Middletown Bible Church ^ | 08/19/03 | various authors

Posted on 08/19/2003 7:56:34 PM PDT by RaceBannon

Carelessness and Casualness in Worship

"But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself [conduct thyself] in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth." (1 Timothy 3:15)

"God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about Him." (Psalm 89:7)

Whatever Happened to our Sunday Best? by Dr. Paul Tassell

The Way We Dress Should Show That We Honor the Lord!

One trend I have noted in local churches in recent years is carelessness. Carelessness in dress. Many people attend the house of God attired the same way they would dress for a rodeo or a football game.

When people are to be guests at the White House for a meeting with the President, they dress up—suits and ties for the men; pretty dresses for the ladies. Appropriate dress indicates appropriate respect. When the President speaks to a joint session of congress, the gallery guests as well as the lawmakers are all dressed in their best.

Does not our Lord Jesus Christ, the Head of the Church, deserve as much consideration and respect as our President? Does not your pastor deserve that much respect for his message?

I grew up in a home with two brothers and three sisters. My job every Saturday night was to polish eight pairs of shoes My parents taught us six children to "dress up in our Sunday best" for the house of God. When my wife and I go to hear our pastor, we dress up. We respect him, and we respect the Lord he represents.

Pastors and their wives should lead the way in setting a proper example of dressing for the occasion. More than once I have been disappointed at a classy restaurant where I was meeting with a group of businessmen and a pastor, only to have the pastor show up open-collared and inappropriately informal while all the businessmen were dressed in three-piece suits and ties. I do not believe the pastor's influence and testimony were enhanced by such a breach of etiquette.

I know the Lord looks on the heart, and clothes don't necessarily make the man, but how we dress when we go to a worship service ought to indicate how much we honor our Lord. We do not have to be fashion models, but we should "dress up" for our Saviour's special day at His special house, the local church. The spirit of what I am saying is captured in the words of Malachi:

A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a Master, where is My fear (reverence)? saith the Lord of hosts unto you, O priests (Malachi 1:6).

"Just as I Am" is an invitation for sinners, not a description of how the saints are to attend a church service. The Prodigal Son came home in rags. As soon as his father accepted him, however, he was dressed in a fine robe; shoes were put on his feet and a ring on his finger. Before Joseph went in to have an audience with Pharaoh, "he shaved himself, and changed his raiment" (Genesis 41:14). So should we look our best when going to the house of God to worship the Lord of the Church.

I am not pleading for barring anyone from a church service because of the way he or she is dressed. But I do think visitors to our services ought to be impressed by how special we believe our church and Lord to be as we "dress up."

Let's not allow our local churches to become sanctuaries of the sloppy and temples of the tacky. Let's respect our Master, minister and message. --Dr. Paul Tassell

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God's Holy and Special Person requires reverence on the part of those who know Him and who seek to honor His Name. "God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about Him" (Psalm 89:7). He is the great and awe-inspiring God who demands our worshipful respect, not only in the way we dress, but also in the way we sing.

We dress in a proper and special way on the Lord's Day because it is a special occasion and we are meeting with a special Person, even the God who is to be feared and revered. Because of this special occasion and special Person, we want to sing in a manner that is appropriate and befitting such a worthy and glorious God. It is a time of worship, not entertainment. Applause runs horizontally and relates to man's humanity and not vertically relating to God's deity. It is out of place in the place that is seeking only to point to God and honor Him.

The dressing, the singing, the bending of the heart before God in humble worship—all of this is but the preparation of one's heart attitude for the glad reception of God's Holy Word. The One who is high and holy is looking for those who will tremble at His Word (Isaiah 66:1-2). He is looking for those who will bow before the authority of His Word. "Speak Lord, for Thy servant is listening."

Right dressing encourages right thinking. Right thinking encourages right singing. Right singing readies and tunes the heart for thankful learning. May God's Word dwell in us richly and may God the Master Musician produce His melody in our hearts to His praise (Col. 3:16). "And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD" (Psalm 40:3).

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Casualness in the Way We Sing

by Robert Regal

Music, The Barometer of a Society The church has swallowed the monstrous heresy that noise (music), size, bluster and activity, make a man dearer to God. --A. W. Tozer The article by Dr. Tassell and the above quote of Dr. Tozer should sound an alarm in the midst of the saints who have gone to sleep at the helm of the "Good Ship Grace," and have turned aside from "the faith once delivered to the saints." The Church, the "Body" and "Bride" of Christ, made up of local assemblies around the world has been impacted in our time by the "spirit of the world" (1 Corinthians 2:12). This is foreign to God's ideal which is delineated in the rest of the verse: "...but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God."

Many of the saints of our time seem unable to discern "the Spirit of God" from "the spirit of the world." We are commanded not to love the world, nor be enamored by it, and never to be dominated by it. We are not to be "conformed to the world, but transformed by the renewing of the mind," for "...we have the mind of Christ" (Romans 12:2; 1 Corinthians 2:16).

Particular contemporary musical styles have become classic examples of the "spirit of the world" invading the church. Not only have they invaded the assemblies of believers world wide, but they dominate. Try to address it and the assembly splits. Leadership hesitates to address it for fear of creating unnecessary waves, and, "after all, we must get together in our day; we must unite on the main issues and not be overly concerned by doctrine." (I might add, we need to be sure that it is sound doctrine.) First, certain styles of the musical language are tolerated, this is soon followed by domination (down with the traditional, conservative, stylings) which, in turn, leads to compromise.

A consequence of this invasion affects the life style of the believer. Where you find an emphasis on much of contemporary stylings, you will notice a cloak of casualness that moves in among the saints. Thus the timely article of Dr. Tassell. If this situation is addressed the assembly cries out, "legalism!"

The style of music will not only affect the attitude of the saint in the area of clothes, grooming, and personal deportment, but in theology. It fosters a looseness in the spirit of worship, teaching, edification and fellowship. I have observed in many of the churches in which I have visited this "casualness," not only in attire, but in fellowship (conversation, noise), which becomes boisterous to the point that the pastor or man of music, or whoever is in charge, has great difficulty in beginning the service. What makes it worse is that the fellowship (conversation, noise), usually has nothing to do with the purpose of the church meeting together. What has created this mood and encouraged this pre-service situation?

One of the strengths of music and its varied styles are the moods and the emotions it generates. I am not saying that Pop, rock, in all its versions, Western, Country Western, Jazz, Folk, Stamp Baxter, New Age, Contemporary, and such like, are not part of the musical language, for they are an expression that comes out of our age and culture, which culture, in many areas, is caught up in insipid subjectivism and decadence. What I am saying is that these styles and idioms speak of the world and its culture good and bad and are thus disqualified to be the musical vehicle for the saints in worship, fellowship, evangelism, and the Christian life in general. The following are two quotes supporting this position:

The development of form in music itself is an attempt to reach completeness through an artistic media. Music having a definite secular symbolism is poor music for worship. Jazz, etc. is confusing. It is too much like everyday life to be ultimately satisfying. (Emphasis Mine)

--Dr. Bernstein, Professor of Music, New York University

Art and music always reflect a particular view on life and the world. Deeply felt values are expressed through the way the theme and subject matter are handled. Thus, even junk and punk rock say something very definite, very deliberate. What rock is saying in today's culture disqualifies it as a vehicle for spiritual communication.

Reduced to its smallest component parts, music is amoral. There is nothing inherently wrong with 440 hz vibration or a dotted quarter note followed by an eighth note. The same could be said for a letter in the alphabet or a drop of paint or a particle of clay. But as soon as a human being combines any of these building blocks, the creative process has begun and the resulting creation always reflects a view of life.

For this reason, the Christian cannot sanitize rock. Even if we ignored the worldly associations of rock (and we cannot), its musical origins spring from a view of life altogether different from the Christian's. Because Christ must be the focal point of our music, the style must never overshadow Him or draw attention to itself. (Emphasis mine)

--Peck, "Rock, Making Musical Choices"

For too long the church has assumed and taken for granted its musical heritage which is rich in great hymn and gospel composition wedded to magnificent texts both in subjectivity and objectivity, that have passed testing through the channels of time and have emerged in our day arranged and rearranged, added to and extended, imbued with the touch of the art of great musical invention. Excellent music has been and is being written in our day, but one has to sift through and discern its textual and musical values and not be caught up in the argument for style. God gave us the substance of music, man gives us the style. There are 12 tones in our music scale. The arrangement of these tones in melody and harmony, the pulse of the meter that drives it and guides it, the text that gives the composition meaning, all fall into a style that must be thought about.

It should be remembered that two areas are involved in music ministry in and to the assembly, and for that manner, to each other and to ourselves. See Ephesians 5:19; Colossians 3:16 and Hebrews 13:15. Two languages are wedded together and both have a grammar, a syntax, and a rhetoric: Lyrics, or the word text, and composition, the music text. This then is the substance of musical expression, which expression becomes the barometer of a society. If this is true, and it is, then we could say without any provocation, that it is also a barometer of the church and its condition in society, and in its address to today's culture.

The Lord Jesus is a model for every believer. He was in the world but was not of the world: "I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world" (John 17:14). He was sent on a mission to the world, a world which hated Him, and He in turn has sent believers into the world, and in turn, the world will hate them; that is, if they are truly believers and love Him and desire to please Him as He pleased the Father, and realize that they also are on a mission to the world. See John 17:15-21.

The Lord Jesus, in verse 21, requested unity for the future believers (see also verse 11 and verse 22). These verses have been misused and abused by the promoters of the present ecumenical movement.

"Admittedly the divided church is in many ways a scandal. The cure, however, is not institutional union. Jesus was not praying for the unity of a single, worldwide, ecumenical church in which doctrinal heresy would be maintained along with orthodoxy. Instead, He was praying for the unity of love, a unity of obedience to God and His Word, and a united commitment to His will. There are great differences between uniformity, union, and unity." (Emphasis Mine)

The Bible Knowledge Commentary (NT), p. 333

All believers belong to the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13), and the world should know of their spiritual unity by their life style. This life style, whether the church or the world, is expressed through the greatest medium of expression we know, musical expression, the heart of this discussion. Nowhere in the Word of God am I encouraged to adopt the musical language that expresses the world that hates God and the believer, for as Dr. Bernstein wrote...."music having a definite secular symbolism is poor music for worship...it is confusing. It is too much like everyday life to be ultimately satisfying."

"When you take great theology and wed it to grand musicology, it ascends before God in magnificent doxology." Stephen Olford

--Robert Regal From the book: With the Voice of Singing

Additional Thoughts

On Worship

REVERENCE BEFORE THE AWE-INSPIRING GOD

If we are going to know God who is holy, we need to reverence and fear Him. "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction" (Prov. 1:7). Since God truly is such a unique and awesome Person, He ought to have our respect. When we speak of His Name and Fame we ought to have a healthy response that reverences Him because of who He is.

Worship is intimately connected with the reverence and fear of God. Worship means to prostrate oneself before God, to bend down, to bow down, to bend the knee and thus to bend the heart. "O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our Maker" (Psalm 95:6).

We need to read the Bible with an understanding that God has all authority. He has the right to be worshipped and reverenced. The least I can do is hear what He says and respond to what He says in the right way. I may not understand all He says, but at least I will give Him reverence. I will bend my heart and bow before the authority of His Word.

The Bible describes God as a "terrible God." This means that He inspires terror, fear, dread. He is awe-inspiring, demanding our deepest respect because of WHO HE IS and WHAT HE HAS SAID. "For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible [awe-inspiring]" (Deut. 10:17). "If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD" (Deut. 28:58). May He be your fear! May He be your dread! (Isaiah 8:13).

THE MISSING INGREDIENT

Whatever characterizes the religious attitude of our day, it is not reverence and awe. Rarely can one enter a church today, where the hustled silence in the atmosphere makes one conscious of the presence of Him who is a "consuming fire." The head bowed "waiting in silence for God only," the tuning of the heart, the tremulous expectancy have gone out of worship. A babble of voices and a discussion of trivial affairs is not an atmosphere conducive to doing business with the living God.

Here are some suggestions as you prepare for the worship service: 1. Remember that when the organ begins playing the prelude, God's people are to be silent. There is to be a "holy hush" as believers prepare their hearts to meet a holy God. Refrain from talking and chatting with your pew neighbor so that your mind will be centered on the Lord rather than on self and others. 2. The moments may be used for silent prayer—remembering yourself and your own heart attitude, the Pastor, the choir and the other worshippers. 3. The moments may be used for prayerful meditation—you could think upon a verse of Scripture or you could meditate upon what you learned from the Pastor's last message. 4. Remember the words from Psalm 46:10--"BE STILL, and know that I am God: I WILL BE EXALTED among the heathen, I WILL BE EXALTED in the earth."

HOW TO WORSHIP

Be silent. Be thoughtful.

Be reverent, for this is the house of the Lord.

Before the service, speak to God.

During the service, let God speak to you.

After the service, speak to one another.

LEARNING FROM THE ANGELS

"When we consider what glorious beings the angels are, and yet that they are but creatures of, and servants to, the God whom we serve, waiting before His Throne, and humbly attending His commands; this consideration, if we let it sink deeply into our hearts, must needs possess us with most awful apprehensions of the glorious majesty of our God at all times, but especially in our approaches to Him in His worship, and fill us with the greatest reverence and humility. With what reverence should we behave ourselves in our addresses to the Divine Majesty, before whom the Seraphim themselves hide their faces! And if they cover their feet, are conscious to themselves of their natural imperfection, compared to the infinitely glorious God; how should we clods of earth, we vile sinners, blush and be ashamed in His presence, assuming no confidence to ourselves, but what is founded on the mercies of God and the merits of our blessed Redeemer and Advocate, Jesus Christ!"--Bishop Bull (1634-1710)

IMPROVING THE PASTOR'S PREACHING

Sunday the sermon was sluggish, 'twas hard attention to keep.

The theme was faultily chosen, it almost put me to sleep.

Monday was blue with sheer boredom; Tuesday was carnal by choice.

Wednesday my conscience was wakened by pleas from a still small voice.

Prayer Meeting left me uplifted, loyalty lingering long.

Thursday my heart was responding; Friday His nudging was strong.

I came to thorough repentance the following Saturday;

I yielded in full surrender as all on the altar I lay.

Sunday the sermon was perfect, superb and quite at its peak;

Amazing how greatly the Pastor improved in the space of one week!

* * * * * Come with a prayerful attitude and a prepared heart. You will find it to be one of the best ways of improving the Pastor's preaching! There will be more POWER in the pulpit when there is more PRAYERFULNESS and PREPAREDNESS in the pew!

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To: RaceBannon; Nightshift
Felt like a 'hot topic' today, huh? Must agree though!
141 posted on 08/20/2003 6:48:31 AM PDT by tutstar
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To: RaceBannon
Yet, I am afraid that less than 30% would wear a shirt and tie to stand before a Holy God in worship on Sunday.

I don't like to go to church dressed less nicely than how a dress at work. Therefore, jacket and tie is the norm for me, even though most my age wear dockers and polos.

142 posted on 08/20/2003 6:49:10 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excessive legislation.)
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To: PleaseNoMore
Ah -- quick post before you respond to mine. I **DO** love a lot of his songs. For goodness sake, we *sing* one of his songs regularly in church, where I'm the synth player on the worship team. It's just that it's good to use discernment about each song, and not just approve sweepingly of songs because the singer has a wonderful track record.

Friends? :-)

143 posted on 08/20/2003 6:49:19 AM PDT by Theo
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To: fightinJAG
ccmay wrote:

A lot of this sounds like unsavory pridefulness on the part of the pastor.

In my experience, the more persnickety a minister is about clothing, the more likely he is to be a pompous blowhard who is in love with the sound of his own voice.

I agree.

Elsewhere on this thread I have been recommending an interesting read, Frank Viola's book, "Pagan Christianity: The Origins of Our Modern Church Practices."

Since it keeps coming up, let me quote a bit from Viola's chapter titled "Sunday Morning Costumes." Here we go:

Every Sunday morning, over 300 million Protestants put on their best clothes to attend Sunday morning church. [footnote noting that there are denominations, such as the Vineyard, that espouse casual dress] But no one seems to question why. Thousands of pastors wear special garb that separates them from their congregation. And no on seems to care. . . .

The practice of "dressing up" for church is a relatively recent phenomenon. It began in the late- 18th century with the Industrial Revolution, and it became widespread in the mid- 19ths century. Before this time, "dressing up" for social events was only known among the very wealthy. . . . Common folks only had two sets of clothes: Work clothes for laboring in the field and less tattered clothing for going into town.

. . . In medival Europe up until the 18th century, dress was a clear marker of one's social class. . . . This changed with the invention of mass textile manufacturing and the development of urban society. . . . The middle class was born . . . For the first time, the middle class could distinguish themselves from the peasnats. To demonstrate their newly improved status, they could now "dress up" for social events just like the well-to-do."

Some Christian groups in the late 18th and 19th centuries resisted this cultural trend. John Wesley wrote against wearing expensive or flashy clothing. The early Methodists resisted the idea of "dressing up" for church so much that they turned away anyone who wore expensive clothing to their meetings. The early Baptists also condemned fine clothing, teaching that it separated the rich from the poor.

Nevertheless, despite these protests, mainstream Christians began wearing fine clothes whenever they could. . . . As the Victorian enculturation of the middle class grew, fancier church buildings began to draw more influential people in society. . . .

This all came to a head when in 1843, Horace Bushnell, an influential Congregational minister in Connecticut, published an essay called Taste and Fashion. In it, Bushnell argued that sophistication and refinement were attributes of God and that Christians should emulate them. Thus was born the idea of "dressing up" for church to honor God! . . .

Following hard on the heels of Bushnell, a North Carolina Presbyterian named William Henry Foote wrote in 1846 that "a church-going people are a dress loving people."This statement simply expressed the formal dress ritual that mainstream Christians had adopted when going to church. The trend was so powerful that by the 1850s, even the "formal-dress-resistant" Methodists got absorbed by it. And they too began wearing their "Sunday best" for church.

Accordingly . . . dressing up for church is the result of the Christian being influenced by his surrounding culture. . . . [N]ow you know the story behind this mindless custom.

It is purely the result of 19th-century middle class efforts to become like their wealthy aristocrat contemporaries, showing off their improved status by their clothing. (This effort also was helped along by Victorian notions of respectability.) Put another way, wearing your "Sunday best" is simply a product of secular culture. It has nothing to do with the Bible, Jesus Christ, or the Holy Spirit!

///(pp. 187-190) end excerpt///

For those interested persons, Viola goes on to ask and answer the question, "So what is wrong with it?"

Check it out if you're inclined.

144 posted on 08/20/2003 6:49:20 AM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: Eagle Eye
Palm Pilot! :-)

Jesus summed all the "Law and Prophets" up into the first two commandments. "Love the Lord with all your Soul, Heart, and Mind [Strength]," and "Love your Neighbor as Yourself." So there are really only two tests, and #2 is, technically speaking, folded into #1 anyhow. (If you love God then it follows you will love the creatures He made in His image.)

These are good topics to study the Bible on, but 67 tests as a ready guide? Forget it.
145 posted on 08/20/2003 6:55:39 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: billbears
Hey as I said for me it comes from my upbringing. I attend a church that tried it a few times with the youth band during service. How do I say it? It didn't 'feel' right. The kids were worshipping I guess in their own way but when you've got a congregation with the majority of the people over 50 and most of the rest that attend the church because it's an 'old' Southern Baptist country church, it didn't come across as worship. It came across as noise in a place that was meant to be quiet and honored

Yep. I'm with ya, dude.

146 posted on 08/20/2003 6:55:45 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: Dianna; Graybeard58; ccmay; mongrel; meowmeow; HiTech RedNeck; BenR2; Green Knight; ...
Ping to #144!
147 posted on 08/20/2003 6:57:53 AM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: Eagle Eye
I don't like to go to church dressed less nicely than how a dress at work. Therefore, jacket and tie is the norm for me

I can respect that.

I, too, dress no differently for work or church services - I dare say most who are so adamant about the necessity of dressing "up" their outward appearance for Sunday would be better served on reflecting about the likelyhood of dressing down their spirituality for the remainder of the week.

148 posted on 08/20/2003 6:58:05 AM PDT by LTCJ
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To: RaceBannon
I'm gonna post this one without reading the other posts.... so forgive me if I repeat someone's previous comments: BAH!

Go to church. Worship God from the heart. David stripped down to his underwear in front of his entire nation in the most sincere worship the people of God had ever seen. He had critics, too. Dress your heart in it's Sunday Best. Leave the stuffy clothes at home, and come with your best praise, your most humble and contrite heart.
149 posted on 08/20/2003 6:58:12 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb
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To: fightinJAG
my bad typos
150 posted on 08/20/2003 6:58:44 AM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: LTCJ
I will bring together interested persons. Ihave "The Purpose-Driven Church" on my reading list.
151 posted on 08/20/2003 7:00:33 AM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Most believers haven't the faintest idea about their historical roots, and thus they cannot carry any pagan connotations to those people.

This was my first reaction upon being introduced to the "rest of the story."

As time has gone on, however, I don't see these things as as harmless as I did at first.

Viola sets out the origin of the practice, then asks "So what is wrong with it?"

I personally haven't reached conclusions on everything, but it's thought-provoking and, I think, not just an idle intellectual curiousity to sort out how Christianity became churchianity and what that means for the cause of Christ in today's world.

152 posted on 08/20/2003 7:04:18 AM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: maxwell
I think the conclusion stated in the initial post is certainly valid, that is, we should give God our best. From there, it is a question of how to do it. Certainly dressing in a manner that suggests one doesn't care about worship does not suggest that we are giving God our best. This, however, is a matter of personal taste, styles of the day (remember leisure suits in the 70s?), one's finances, and the community in which one lives. Of course, the proof is in the worship. Is it real? Does it exalt God? Is it God-centered? These, it seems to me, are the important things. I personally prefer a more formal worship experience, but for the past two years our family has attended the earlier, more casual service offered by our church. I enjoy it, and those who attend, including the musicians, are, I believe, giving God their best. The biggest mistake to be made in this whole issue, I believe, is to suggest that nice clothes and "proper" music are proof of true worship. Ultimately, that proof is to be made before God, and not others. At the same time, we ought not intentionally detract from the worship experience of others by denigrating the service or mocking what others choose to wear. We should not cause our brothers to stumble, but we should do all we can to lift each other up. "Love the Lord God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind and all your strength, and love your neighbor as yourself." Do this, and the rest will fall into place.
153 posted on 08/20/2003 7:05:05 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: RaceBannon
Whatever Happened to our Sunday Best?

It went down the fudge packing road with the others...

Worship (in the majority, non-believing, churches such as the church that now has a proud, homosexual, unrepentant sinning, Bishop) is now about self rather than about God.

154 posted on 08/20/2003 7:05:23 AM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Eagle Eye
I always felt the opposite: I found dressing up for work a total chore and a total drudge. I did not want to feel that way about being with my brothers and sisters in Christ.
155 posted on 08/20/2003 7:07:53 AM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: SpinnerWebb
Amen!

And may I ping you to post #144?
156 posted on 08/20/2003 7:10:24 AM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: SpinnerWebb; Yehuda
And if you can call yourself someone who knew God as Davd did, you would understand David's act of complete contrition, humbling himself before God and the Congregation was an act of humility, not wearing blue jeans and T-shirts.

I am amazed at howmany people will defend the cheapening of worship, the lack of spiritual music, and the casualness and lack of a need to dress to respect the place of Worship!

Yet, I wouldbet many of you defend school uniforms, just to make the kids stand in line rightly...
157 posted on 08/20/2003 7:17:44 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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bttt
158 posted on 08/20/2003 7:21:07 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: fightinJAG; nmh
I would expect those bikers to recognize they are suppposed to be new creatures in Christ after they got saved, they are supposed to shave to show it, they are supposed to bathe to show it, they are supposed to dress appropiately to show it.

If the Pastor is not tellling them this, then how are they being taught to behave? If people who are supposed to be saved still run around in the same old style of clothing they demanded they wear to identify with a drug and alchohol and sex culture, how in the world are peopls supposed to see they have changed what is in their heart?

If there isno label onthe can through changed behaviour and dress and appearance, how are people supposed to believe the change was genuine?

This neo-evangelicalism that so many espouse here is why the world is NOT listening to Christians, we are offering them nothing different than what that already have. We are NOT showing a new life in Christ, we are NOT showing we have changed from death unto life.


..unless you still run around in your pro-LED ZEPPLIN T-shirt yourself, this should be obvious.
159 posted on 08/20/2003 7:23:20 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: fightinJAG
The church I attend, the members dress in their work clothes. They are musicians so their work clothes or "Sunday Best" means making sure the Mohawk is standing tall and the jewelry in ones face is polished.

I don’t dress like they do. I make an effort to wear what anyone who might walk off the street into our church might be wearing. I want them to feel welcome and know we are glad they are there.

Let me add that even with 50 tattoos, you can still love and serve God.
160 posted on 08/20/2003 7:26:07 AM PDT by j_k_l
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