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Divers Find Piece Of Henry VIII's Warship
IOL ^ | 8-19-2003

Posted on 08/19/2003 3:18:52 PM PDT by blam

Divers find piece of Henry VIII's warship

August 19 2003 at 03:45AM

London - Divers may have found the missing front section of the Tudor warship the Mary Rose, marine archaeologists said Monday.

Alex Hildred, the dive's project manager, said that if the find was confirmed it would be "the most important maritime archaeology find in England in the last 20 years."

Experts have been diving to the wreck off Portsmouth on the southern English coast for the past month, and have excavated a five-metre long piece of wood they believe is the front stem of the ship's keel.

The Mary Rose was built in 1511 as King Henry VIII's flagship, but sank inexplicably in 1545 during a skirmish with French ships in the Solent, the area of water between the Isle of Wight and Portsmouth.

'The gem of Tudor maritime history' Most of the 700 ton, 32-metre long galley was raised from the silt of the Solent in 1982, but divers recently began revisiting the remainder of the wreck due to Ministry of Defence plans to deepen the channels to Portsmouth naval base.

Now experts believe they have discovered the ship's bowcastle, the fortified front of the ship which housed archers and cannon and is the last part of the 458-year-old galley to be discovered.

Certifying the find may take some time as experts are not sure what the bowcastle looks like. The earliest picture of Henry VIII's flagship was painted in 1547, two years after the ship sank.

Mike Power, manager for the Portsmouth regeneration project, said a survey of the area is planned to determine the best way to protect the site. Raising the bowcastle may be too expensive.

It is estimated that the raising and preservation of the main section of the Mary Rose has already cost £20-million (about R230-million), the price having increased by the need to spray the ship with soluble wax polyethylene glycol to help preserve it.

Prince Charles, the Prince of Wales and president of the Mary Rose Trust, said he was thrilled by the latest find.

"The story of the Mary Rose has intrigued generations of people, and I am confident that this latest discovery will re-ignite people's interest in the gem of Tudor maritime history."

The Mary Rose was the precursor of Queen Elizabeth I's galleons, the ships of the line that were to circumnavigate the world and defeat the Spanish Armada.- Sapa-AP


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KEYWORDS: divers; find; godsgravesglyphs; henryviiis; maryrose; shipwreck; warship
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To: ellery
"Trivia: it was named after Anne Boleyn's sister Mary, whom Henry was stupping before he married Anne..."

Something doesn't jive.

"The Mary Rose was built at Portsmouth between 1509 and 1511. Named for Henry VIII's favourite sister, Mary Tudor, later queen of France, the ship was part of a large build-up of naval force by the new king in the years between 1510 and 1515. Warships, and the cannon they carried, were the ultimate status symbol of the 16th century, and an opportunity to show off the wealth and power of the king abroad."

21 posted on 08/19/2003 5:44:39 PM PDT by blam
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To: ellery
I can't figure it out.

Mary I (Mary Tudor)

22 posted on 08/19/2003 5:49:37 PM PDT by blam
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To: ellery
Anne Boleyn
23 posted on 08/19/2003 5:52:34 PM PDT by blam
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24 posted on 08/19/2003 7:21:57 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: blam
D'oh! Looks like you're correct. I've read a lot of actual history about medieval England; I also recently read an historical fiction book called The Other Boleyn Girl. A lot of the facts in the book are correct...but apparently the Mary Rose being named for Mary Boleyn is fiction rather than history. The dates don't work -- the Mary Rose was built a decade before Mary Boleyn's affair with Henry in the 1520s.

Mary Boleyn

25 posted on 08/19/2003 9:41:12 PM PDT by ellery
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To: blam
Didn't galleys have oars? I don't see any in that drawing.
26 posted on 08/19/2003 10:09:59 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (20 years in the Navy; never drunk on duty - never sober on liberty)
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To: GATOR NAVY
Yes, of course galleys have oars. Of course, the portrait was painted minimum 2 years after HMS Mary Rose sank, and the painter was undoubtedly not a naval architect.
27 posted on 08/20/2003 5:09:14 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: CatoRenasci; GATOR NAVY
True, but I have nowhere seen any reference to Mary Rose being a galley.

The only galley recodred as constructed by Henry is The Great Galley

There is some confusion in that the English called "Galleys" what were technically "Galleasses": oared ships carrying heavy cannon.

And further confusion in that Mediterraean galleasses were heavy galleys with a gun deck above the main proplusion oar deck, while English galleasses were lightly built oared ships with a gun deck (with heavier guns) below the axuillary propulsion oar deck. Nost English "galleys" were eventually reconstructed to more successfull galleons.

Indeed there is an argument that the term "galleon" arose to describe a low-charged (ie without high fore and stern castles) ship similair to an Englsh galleasse, but without oars.

28 posted on 08/20/2003 7:32:12 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. - Voltaire)
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To: blam
sank inexplicably in 1545 during a skirmish with French ships

Evidently, the notion that it was one of those mysterious space alien - Bermuda Triangle - Elvis sighting things is more credible than the notion that the French managed to actually sink an enemy warship.

29 posted on 08/20/2003 8:14:26 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Oztrich Boy
Well, this article referred to HMS Mary Rose as a galley, and did say they raised most of the ship some years ago. If you can find the information on what they actually found, you will know whether the ship was a galley or whatever.
30 posted on 08/20/2003 9:11:02 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: steve-b
What was inexplicable must have been that the french surrender monkeys didn't surrender to the barnacles on the sides of the Brit ship..
31 posted on 08/20/2003 9:22:11 AM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: Oztrich Boy
There is no indication at maryrose.org that the ship is a galley.
32 posted on 08/20/2003 9:34:58 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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I also recently read an historical fiction book called The Other Boleyn Girl.

They made a movie of it this year, starring Natalie Portman as Anne and Scarrlet Johansson as Mary, with Eric Bana as Henry. Did you see it?

34 posted on 11/16/2008 10:51:17 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.)
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