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Overblown ogre of 'outsourcing'
The Washington Times ^
| 18 Aug 03
| By Bruce Bartlett
Posted on 08/18/2003 6:31:33 AM PDT by .cnI redruM
Edited on 07/12/2004 4:06:54 PM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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Everybody seems to be worried about manufacturing these days. All the Democratic presidential candidates condemn the practice of "outsourcing"
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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: brucebartlett; economy; elections; freetrade; leftwingactivists; outsourcing
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To: harpseal
I agree...implementation of the other steps may render it irrelevent practically, while it would still need to stay on the table politcally.
To: mhking
Outsource Congress.
To: lelio
There are Free Traitors who'll say with a straight face that the bigger the trade deficit, the better.
To: GraniteStateConservative
There are Free Traitors who'll say with a straight face that the bigger the trade deficit, the better.
Ah yes, the ole "I have a trade deficit with my local grocer" argument. Perhaps in a couple dozen posts someone will post a new variant of it.
I (or we on FR) should put together a web page that references all these common flase rebuttals. Sort of like the prisoners that resorted to saying "Number 13" instead of repeating the joke they've heard a million times.
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posted on
08/18/2003 7:57:38 AM PDT
by
lelio
To: txflake
In the 1st paragraph of this article:
[All the Democratic presidential candidates condemn the practice of "outsourcing" laying off manufacturing workers and buying their output more cheaply from China. This is not surprising, given that organized labor has made it a high-priority issue. But they are being joined by some on the far right as well, such as Pat Buchanan and Paul Craig Roberts, who warn we are exporting our sovereignty along with our jobs. They all seem to think that more trade protection is the answer.]
Also on the right are William Hawkins, Steve Farrell, Henry Kissinger, Tom Tancredo, Phyllis Schlafly and Duncan Hunter to name a few more. I agree with you, Bush needs to join with these intelligent Conservatives ASAP.
To: cdefreese
Unfortunately -- though it might say it all -- I cannot see it and therefore it is silent. :o(
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posted on
08/18/2003 8:06:10 AM PDT
by
Lazamataz
(PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
To: lelio
Interesting idea. Are you willing to put together some raw material for me to catagorize?
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posted on
08/18/2003 8:07:18 AM PDT
by
Lazamataz
(PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
To: txflake
I swear I'll kill myself when the Rats manhandle this issue to their advantage. Do not even consider killing yourself when there are so many out there than need killing.
48
posted on
08/18/2003 8:08:28 AM PDT
by
harpseal
(Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
To: kms61
However, few economists would judge the health or sickness of any industry solely based on employment. Correcttion, few employed economists...
49
posted on
08/18/2003 8:08:58 AM PDT
by
Wolfie
To: Lazamataz
Some standard Free trade arguments
Buggy whip
Trade deficit with grocer
Tariffs are sociaist/marxist
We are better off becuase the prices are lower
There is a start.
50
posted on
08/18/2003 8:11:31 AM PDT
by
harpseal
(Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
To: Lazamataz; lelio
insituting american tariffs will start a trade war. Well Chinese tariffs on American consumer goods are in the 70% range according to Paul Ross. I liken this argument to saying the US should not have started teh war with japan on December 8, 1941.
51
posted on
08/18/2003 8:14:17 AM PDT
by
harpseal
(Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
To: Lazamataz
And that has huge implications for the War on Terror as well. If Bush loses, or is reelected but loses control of Congress....well, you get the picture.
52
posted on
08/18/2003 8:20:36 AM PDT
by
kms61
To: harpseal
A few others:
If You Lose Your Job It's Your Own Fault
Work Harder
Retrain
Become Your Own CEO
53
posted on
08/18/2003 8:25:24 AM PDT
by
kms61
To: harpseal
Well, the socailist and communist countries are the ones that clamped down on their economies not allowing trade with outside countries. It may have helped (or seemed to help) in the short term, but in the end these countries collapsed economically. The same thing will happen to the chicoms, who are even better at hiding what's really going on with their economy (I don't trust those 8% growth figures, I bet they're really half of that).
Getting govt involved, dictating terms of how people ought to act, buy goods, live is patently socialistic, nay communist.
54
posted on
08/18/2003 8:30:56 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Reagan waz best, but Dubya's close!)
To: .cnI redruM
The war machine was built partially by inexperienced women who had to be trained
"Rosie The Riveter" (my grandmother was a welder for Douglas Aircraft).
...so people like janitors and accountants were classified as "manufacturing" workers simply because they worked for manufacturing companies....
Non-productive workers were included in your skewed numbers, Not to mention the government dictated what they'd pay for the material and equipment contributing to the skewed GDP numbers.
Taking that into consideration I'd say their productivity was better....
I'd like to see an American ship builder (are there any left?) match the production of Liberty ships today like Kaiser did then.
To: Cronos
Well, the socailist and communist countries are the ones that clamped down on their economies not allowing trade with outside countries.The socialist Communist nations did not allow their citizens to pursue capitalist means in their economies. they continued to trade and had absolutely no tariffs.
It may have helped (or seemed to help) in the short term, but in the end these countries collapsed economically.
I do not admit it even seemed to help let alone helped because I have studied the history of the Twentieth Century.
The same thing will happen to the chicoms, who are even better at hiding what's really going on with their economy (I don't trust those 8% growth figures, I bet they're really half of that).
The problem is these types of regimes do not like to go down peacefully. I note China has adopted some capitalist measures but the mentality of the regime there is still very much totalitarian and the nation itself is still very authoritarian. Will they go down I hope so the question is how much damage will they inflict in doing so.
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posted on
08/18/2003 8:36:28 AM PDT
by
harpseal
(Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
To: *"Free" Trade
To: .cnI redruM
Just who recovers is a 'jobless recovery'?
OPEN ASSIGNMENT
MISSION TO SAVE AMERICAN JOBS
August 18, 2003
President Bush:
Mr. President your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to recover the 3+ million jobs lost on your watch. You are to find where they went, recover them, and prevent this from happening again.
You have until November 2004 to complete this mission.
If you choose not to accept this mission, or are incapable of performing, don't run in the GOP Primary so another Republican can accept this important mission for America.
American Citizen Voter
PS Ronald Reagan was the last Republican to understand. Ross Perot sent a warning to your Dad but since then all we hear is the mantra, 'Perot gave us Clinton'. Actually your Dad gave us Perot.
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posted on
08/18/2003 8:38:05 AM PDT
by
ex-snook
(American jobs need BALANCED Trade. We buy from you. You buy from us.)
To: ex-snook
PS Ronald Reagan was the last Republican to understand. PS, Snook, Ronald Reagan was all for free trade and was hated by the corrupt demo union left leadership.
59
posted on
08/18/2003 8:43:58 AM PDT
by
Dane
To: Dane
Yes, but that was back when we (the US) had a comparative advantage in most manufacturing sectors.
Meaning, we hadn't moved our plants and jobs abroad yet.
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posted on
08/18/2003 8:53:43 AM PDT
by
txhurl
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