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White without Apology
TooGoodReports ^ | 08/13/03 | Bernard Chapin

Posted on 08/13/2003 6:57:47 AM PDT by bedolido

While doing my weekly shopping at the Jewel-Osco, I overheard a very unusual conversation. It was between two young baggers who were talking about an article one of them had read regarding President Lincoln. Both men happened to be black. One of them informed the other that President Lincoln cared nothing about blacks and was actually a racist. I was stunned. I wanted to interject a million things to their discussion but I didn’t. Instead, I silently watched the checker ring up my order. The incident immediately brought to mind the old commercial from the seventies where tears run down the eye of an Indian brave as he paddles across a river filled with pollutants. I felt like that Indian as I listened to President Lincoln, the man who freed the slaves, badmouthed by a couple of assistants in a grocery store.

This was the same Lincoln who, during a triumphant walk through Richmond, told a group of bowing slaves to get up because the only king they should bow to was Jesus Christ. I wanted to explain to the clerks that men should be judged by the standards of the days in which they live. Some of Lincoln’s opinions may seem outlandish today, but during the 1860’s he was one of the most enlightened men on the continent. By the standards of the nineteenth century, black Americans had no better friend than Abraham Lincoln.

Race is the biggest taboo issue in America today. Almost everyone acknowledges this but acknowledgement does not make our dialogues any smoother. I discovered this for myself the other day after I wrote a column about rap music. It was a favorable elaboration upon one wrote for City-Journal by John McWhorter. Based on my observations of urban youth, I supported McWhorter’s claim that rap music keeps blacks down through its celebration of pointless rebellion, violence, and nihilism. I received many irate responses. One of them turned into a ten email debate with a reader. By the end of the discussion, we knew a great deal about one another and, vicariously, quite a bit about discussing race in America.

Our little dispute could well have been a microcosm of the nation as a whole. It is unfortunate that I, and numerous other Caucasians, do not always emphatically state our views when asked. Yet, there are major hazards to beware of when addressing race. You never know what the reaction of the person you’re speaking to may be and no one wants to get fired over a conversation.

I could tell that the young man at the other end of the server was not used to dealing with white people like me. He only knows whites who defer to him and agree when he says that he has been wronged. He has been conditioned into thinking that all whites will apologize for their ancestry. I, absolutely, and under no circumstance, will ever apologize for my ancestors. In fact, thank G-d for my ancestors! I wish there were more Americans like them.

He began our exchange by telling me that I shouldn’t be writing about rap music at all as I don’t know anything about it. He also believes that there is nothing wrong with it and that it doesn’t harm anyone. I countered by stating that, while it’s true that I don’t know all the names of the famous rappers, I have unfortunately been subjected to a ton of it and know firsthand adolescents who emulate the words and actions of their favorite stars.

The dialogue went downhill from there (if that’s possible). There was practically no common ground between us, yet I think that is how it should be. White Americans, if they honestly responded to the claims of black separatists and black powerites, would hear little with which to agree.

Most Caucasian Americans are hard-working and middle class. There are very few like Bill Gates or Paul Allen. Most of us make a decent wage and are content with it. We oppress no one. No ancestors of mine were in the United States before 1910, but, even if they were, it would be superfluous as I personally have committed no wrongs to anyone. I told the young man that white guilt is one of the most pernicious influences within our society. Although this white guilt has not hurt our economic success, it has made many whites regard themselves as being morally inferior to the rest of the population.

He made the point that “institutional racism” is the reason many blacks “have not made it.” I told him there was no such thing. It is a creation of the university Marxists who have substituted “African-Americans, Hispanics, women and gays” for the word “proletariat.” The entire concept of “oppressed” and “oppression” is merely idiotic Marxist claptrap. It’s a product of juvenile leftists and should be disregarded. Besides, if there were such a thing as institutional racism no blacks would have ever made it. They’re be no Cedric the Entertainer’s, Deion Sanders’, Tiger Woods’ or Halle Berry’s. If there were any truth in the flawed rubric of institutional racism, all the aforementioned successful blacks would have been poor sharecroppers rather than cultural icons.

We, of course, also clashed on affirmative action. He regarded it as a prerequisite for black success. He said, “The Supreme Court finally got it right.” I, on the other hand, think, “The Supreme Court wrote more legislation.” Clearly, affirmative action is one of the reasons blacks have not been more successful since 1970. You can’t put an average student in Cal Tech and expect them to flourish. They fail and the race hustlers could care less how the experience impedes their future development. Even more grievous, is that affirmative action gives racism the imprimatur of the state. A federal stamp of approval compounds its evil.

Towards the end of our exchange, the reader admitted that he felt blacks should not have to work more than one job and do overtime to get ahead in life. Their route should be more direct. He felt long hours were for immigrants and that “we’ve already played that game.” He argued that blacks have put their blood and sweat into this country’s infrastructure and deserve reparation for their effort.

Honestly, I have no respect for this argument whatsoever. The request for reparations could not be less valid. Blacks in America already have the world’s greatest reparation: United States citizenship. Every single one of the reader’s racial cousins in Africa, or anywhere else in the world for that matter, would kill to be in his shoes. They would stow away in a mouse trap just to get here and have an opportunity to be Americans. Most of them fantasize about an existence without murderous kleptomaniac dictators and having children who are free from disease. America is opportunity and blacks are no different from whites in that we all should be forever thankful that we somehow got to these shores.

I discovered that I profited greatly from this reader. Christopher Hitchens, in his fascinating book, Letters to a Young Contrarian, informs us that the great thing about argumentation is that both sides refine and modify their positions which doing it. I hold this to be true and my exchange with the young man is evidence of it.

In this particular argument, I realized something that I never had before. Clearly, it is conservatives like me who care about poor blacks (most, in fact, are middle class) as opposed to the pseudo-liberals. We offer them the best route for advancement. We want to challenge them and make them stronger. We resist the desire to infantilize them. By treating them like adults and inculcating responsibility through achievement, they will prosper just as every other group of Americans have before them.

My opponent, perhaps unconsciously, wants them to stay poor so he can continue to berate America and critique our way of life. Were their lot to suddenly improve, he’d have no positions and no identity.

Before this conversation, I never realized just how much that I am rooting for poor black folks. I want them to be as productive as everyone else and to “make it” in America. I want no less for them than I do for myself. It would please me to no end if all our citizens were grateful for what they have. No white people get anything out of a major percentage of the population being resentful and angry.

Racial harmony can only be achieved if we treat one another as individuals and not as members of fictitious classes. If you want to be oppressed you’ll find a way to be oppressed, and such a condition damages society as a whole. Racism is wrong in any of its manifestations. We will never all get along if we continue to pretend that some of us, due to the melanin content in our skin, are better than others. Period.

To comment on this article or express your opinion directly to the author, you are invited to e-mail Bernard at bchapafl@hotmail.com .


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: apology; oppression; race; victimhood; white; without
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To: thegreatbeast
Oh, how different things would have been had there never been a War. I have always bee of the position that the War was the greatest tragedy this country even suffered. I've always said I wish things never would have got to that point. But I've also always saud that I understand why the South did what it did, and did what it felt it had to do. I just wish things could have been worked out so that it never got to that point.
201 posted on 08/14/2003 5:58:16 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: ought-six
Read the damn proclamation yourself if you don't believe me.

I dunno. The EP seems to have had the intended effect. Jefferson Davis called the EP "the most despicable act ever committed by guilty man."

You don't agree with that, do you?

Walt

202 posted on 08/14/2003 5:59:39 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: ought-six
Look at the date of the quote you cited, my friend! It is June, 1865, a couple months after the surrender! Since the EP went into effect in January, 1863, 2-1/2 years ealier, by your logic the Texas slaves were freed at that time, which is clearly no the historical fact. And where, pray, did the alleged "3 million" slaves that were freed between January, 1863 and December, 1865 come from? Brazil? Haiti? They sure as hell didn't come from any Southern state, or the Confederacy would have heard something about it, and at least commented on it (which, if you knew history at all, never happened). So, before you show your immaturity and ignorance by saying my comment (based on historical fact) is "Marxist" (that's projection for you!), I suggest you read even the most basic history text.

Talk about ignorance! What Texas law freed the slaves in Texas in June of 65? What Federal Law did so other than the EP? Texas was simply last because that was the last place in the Confederacy to be reached by Federal troops. The slaves in Georgia, South Caroilina, Florida, Virginia and the rest were free months and in some cases years eariler. Read about the thousands of slaves who followed Sherman's columns through Georgia.

There were 4 million slaves in the US the day the war started. By June of 1865, over 3 million of them had been freed by the EP.

203 posted on 08/14/2003 6:24:03 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: ought-six
But I've also always saud that I understand why the South did what it did, and did what it felt it had to do.

Why was that?

204 posted on 08/14/2003 6:28:20 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: ought-six
You posit a straw man argument, which is a favorite of liberals. I expected as much.

I posited an analogy, followed by a satire of one of your ridiculous comments. If you are gonna slap a liberal label on anyone who disagrees with your revisionist spin on 140 year old history, you've got a problem.

Did I hurt your tender sensibilities? Why don't you put some ice on that?

205 posted on 08/14/2003 7:15:08 AM PDT by LexBaird (Views seen in this tag are closer than they appear.)
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To: LexBaird
Did I hurt your tender sensibilities? Why don't you put some ice on that?

You seem a fast learner. ;-)

Walt

206 posted on 08/14/2003 7:41:30 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: stainlessbanner
but he had the sworn duty, as President, to preserve the Nation.

He had the sworn duty to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

And how would the dissolution of the Nation have fufilled this charge? The Nation is a construct of the Constitution, formed by it when the States ratified it. Any attempt to sunder the Nation may clearly be seen as an attack on that Constitution.

207 posted on 08/14/2003 7:42:20 AM PDT by LexBaird (Views seen in this tag are closer than they appear.)
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To: stainlessbanner
He had the sworn duty to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

"In his final message to Congress, on December 3, 1860, James Buchanan surprised some of his southern allies with a firm denial of the right of secession. The Union was not "a mere voluntary association of states, to be dissolved at pleasure by any one of the contracting parties," said Buchanan. "We the People" had adopted the Constitution to form "a more perfect Union" than the one existing under the Articles of Confederation, which had stated that "the Union shall be perpetual." The framers of the National Government "never intended to implant in its bosom the seeds of its own destruction, nor were they guilty of the absurdity of providing for its own dissolution." State Sovereignty was NOT superior to national sovereignty, Buchanan insisted. The Constitution bestowed the highest attributes of sovereignty exclusively on the federal government: national defense; foreign policy; regulation of foreign and interstate commerece; coinage of money. "This Constitution," stated the document, and the laws of the United States...shall be the supreme law of the land...anything in the constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

"BattleCry of Freedom", McPherson, p. 246

Walt

208 posted on 08/14/2003 7:47:13 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Treason...damn that word is tossed about as readily as racism or sexism or homophobia or anti-semitic these days.

I thought treason was "betrayal of one's country to the enemy"

Don't blame me, take it up with Mr Webster and Miss New World.
210 posted on 08/14/2003 8:10:56 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: LexBaird
LB, which came first, the nation (I think you mean Republic) or the Constitution?
211 posted on 08/14/2003 8:17:50 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: WhiskeyPapa
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212 posted on 08/14/2003 8:21:22 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: WestPacSailor
"I just want to know when we are going to celebrate White History Month, when there will be a box labled "European-American" to check on my drivers license application, and when can I expect my reparations check from the government for killing many of my German ancestors? "

Yeah! and what about my Irish Ancestors, didn't anyone watch 'Gangs of New York' and 'Far and Away'?

213 posted on 08/14/2003 8:36:18 AM PDT by Outlaw76 (Citizens on the Bounce!)
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To: dwd1
There is hostility from both sides because there are no easy answers...

I disagree...the answers ARE easy, but no one has the nads to implement them. They all can be summarized by:

People do NOT appreciate what they do not work for

Life's is unfair sometimes...deal with it

Don't live in the past

You are capable of making your own decisions, dont enslave yourself

and naturally, end social welfare/entitlements/AA/abortion(whose "founder" really hated blacks and wished to use abortion as a way of exterminating them) and public education

That all sounds like basic common sense to me.

214 posted on 08/14/2003 8:45:54 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: goodnesswins
"However, being that we had Jim Crow laws and segregation for such a long time, I do see a need for some type of affirmative action. I would prefer, however, that it be phased out as soon as possible so that all persons have equal access and opportunity in education... I do think equal access to education is the silver bullet to so many of our social problems...

The greatest problem comes from the underlined portion of this sentence. Who determines when enough is enough? The only end I can see to it is when people with lighter skin revolt. That would be most unfortunate and would land us back in 1959(or earlier) faster than you could shake a stick. The cost in lives would be horrendous. Too many people think something like that can't or won't happen. I think it will be inevitable. It’s funny how many see the Americans with Eurocentric origins as timid and mild. History tells a different story.

For every worthy student who is unable to attend college because of the color of his skin another racist is born. Color should not ever be a consideration and race should be removed from all government and public forms now. The danger is too great to let it continue. The very programs they call ‘Affirmative Action’ act to affirm certain racist ideologies – both black and white.

Never forget the dream. “…judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character…”

215 posted on 08/14/2003 9:01:31 AM PDT by Outlaw76 (Citizens on the Bounce!)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
I can agree with everything you said but as you stated,

"Life is unfair. Deal with it"

If you have never needed unemployment, medicaid, social security, a loan, then I salute you. For some reason, (and if you like blame it on the liberals) we try to help people that need help...And me personally, each time I was working in downtown LA(making 100K+) and saw the homeless, I always said "There, but for the Grace of God, go I".

I am sure that you know about the Great Depression. Hoover was voted out because the people in this country needed help and leadership and felt he could not provide it. They also felt he had no empathy or sympathy for their situation. Sometimes, things may look a little different from 1600 Pennsylvania than from 622 West Second in Littlefield, TX. I think as a society, we learned during the Great Depression to pull together to solve problems. I don't think Government is always the answer but from what I have heard, people legitimately needed help. There will always be people who try to cheat the system...You see it on Wall Street, you see it in Texas at the Former Enron Building and you are going to see it in South Central Los Angeles in the projects...


Public education...We may have problems in this country but you are going to have a little trouble convincing me that we are better off without public education... If you can send your kids to public school, God Bless you, but I don't know if I want to end up with well educated, well dressed children that have to have a body guard accompany them to the mall to protect them from the kids that have no education and no hope for a better future. (or do you think that we should convert to that caste system they use in India?)

These are the prices we pay for having a country that has problems but we are doing better than just about everybody else.

By the way, how do you legislate people appreciating what they work for, dealing with and accepting perceived unfairness (no more civil litigation), not living in the past (outlaw history classes and speaking about anything that happened before 1964), require all persons to make their own decisions and take responsibility for their actions (outlaw guidance counselors, parenting, peer pressure, social pressure)

These easy answers sound more like moral objectives which I believe in personally but believe you might have a little trouble enforcing on a population of 250M people...

The Taliban tried to impose moral objectives...At one time, the Catholic Church, the Puritans, the Fascists, the Nazis, and the feminists..All have tried to impose moral objectives......It did not go well...

The only community I can think of who has been able to successfully live with the objectives you speak of would be the Amish...

You can say "don't live in the past"... I am just making sure that you don't mean "It never happened!" versus "We need to learn from the past, not repeat it, and make the future better!"

I have no need to bring up the past every time the present gets tough, but last time I checked, most people make decisions based on their experience (I have not stuck my hand in the fire in quite some time)



216 posted on 08/14/2003 9:19:01 AM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: dwd1
Thank you for your points. I agreed with many of them. Some on this forum think that racism against minority groups and bad race relations between whites and minorities or even between two different minority proups is no problem at all anymore. This is far from the case. However, racial hostility is no reason to have a victim mentality when the US is a land of som many good people and much opportunity.
217 posted on 08/14/2003 9:27:10 AM PDT by Classicaliberalconservative
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To: dwd1
By the way, how do you legislate people appreciating what they work for, dealing with and accepting perceived unfairness (no more civil litigation), not living in the past (outlaw history classes and speaking about anything that happened before 1964), require all persons to make their own decisions and take responsibility for their actions (outlaw guidance counselors, parenting, peer pressure, social pressure)

By eliminating entitlements.

218 posted on 08/14/2003 9:29:49 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus (if we're not going to act like a constitutional republic...lets be the best empire we can be...)
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To: Outlaw76
Never forget the dream. “…judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character…”

At least concede that it is still just a dream. And the real question is this? Let us say that we end affirmative action on next Friday. Would someone who is willing to commit violence for personal gain and not feel that all persons should be judged by the content of their character, can we trust that they will "do the right thing" and live the dream that you mention or would they go back to discriminating at every opportunity (or perhaps simply hide it better)? In other words, can we trust you?

If you look at our society, the equal protection law has been around for quite some time. Do you believe that we can eliminate all legislation that has resulted from the the acts of persons who (for some strange reason) do not believe in equal opportunity and protection under the law.


The cost in lives would be horrendous. Too many people think something like that can't or won't happen. I think it will be inevitable. It’s funny how many see the Americans with Eurocentric origins as timid and mild. History tells a different story.

For every worthy student who is unable to attend college because of the color of his skin another racist is born. Color should not ever be a consideration and race should be removed from all government and public forms now. The danger is too great to let it continue. The very programs they call ‘Affirmative Action’ act to affirm certain racist ideologies – both black and white.

When you speak of this, it reminds me of my time in the military where we were required to do things that we did not agree because the instructions were given by someone who has the legal authority to do so...
I think that we should have a law concerning speed traps but it is not up to me. I still have to follow the law or risk losing my life or my freedom or my property. I do not agree with the law but I follow it.
Are you taking the position that though affirmative action is the law, you are willing to violently oppose it or are you stating that there are others (not you, of course) that feel as if a race war is going to result from affirmative action?



219 posted on 08/14/2003 9:36:46 AM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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To: Classicaliberalconservative
Well, I feel that as long as we can have a fair minded discussion about it, we will get it squared away at some point...

Thank you for the reply...

BTW, if you ever run into a victim, remind them that this is a country where a hand-up(not a hand out) can always be found if one puts in the effort...
220 posted on 08/14/2003 9:42:43 AM PDT by dwd1 (M. h. D. (Master of Hate and Discontent))
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