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Is banning the Bible next?
Jerusalem Post ^ | Aug. 13, 2003 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 08/13/2003 5:44:16 AM PDT by yonif

If you live pretty much anywhere in the Western world these days, you'll notice a certain kind of news item cropping up with quiet regularity. The Irish Times had one last week.

As Liam Reid reported, the Irish Council for Civil Liberties has warned Catholic bishops that distributing the Vatican's latest statement on homosexuality could lead to prosecution under the 1989 Incitement to Hatred Act, and a six-month jail term.

"The document itself may not violate the Act, but if you were to use the document to say that gays are evil, it is likely to give rise to hatred, which is against the Act," says Aisling Reidy, director of the ICCL. "The wording is very strong and certainly goes against the spirit of the legislation."

No Irish bishop has actually called gays evil yet. But best to be on the safe side and shut down all debate.

From Dublin, let us zip 6,000 miles to Quesnel, a small paper-mill town in British Columbia. Chris Kempling is a high-school teacher and a Christian conservative and he likes writing letters to his local newspaper. In one of them he said that "homosexuality is not something to be applauded."

The regulatory body for his profession, the British Columbia College of Teachers, suspended him for a month without pay for "conduct unbecoming a member of the college."

No student, parent or fellow teacher at Correlieu Secondary School has ever complained about Mr. Kempling: he was punished by the BCCT for expressing an opinion in the paper. The British Columbia Civil Liberties Association supported the suspension, not because of anything he's done but because of what he might do in the future. He might discriminate against gay and lesbian students in the future. He hasn't done so yet, but, if we don't preemptively punish him now, he might well commit a hate crime somewhere down the road.

He didn't say gays are evil. But he did say homosexuality wasn't something to be applauded. And, if we start letting people decide who they are and aren't going to applaud, there's no telling where it will end. As in Dublin, best to be on the safe side and shut down all debate.

In Sweden, meanwhile, they've passed a constitutional amendment making criticism of homosexuality a crime, punishable by up to four years in jail. Expressing a moral objection to homosexuality is illegal, even on religious grounds, even in church. Those preachers may not be talking about how gays are evil this Sunday. But they might do next week, or next month. As in Ireland and British Columbia, best to be on the safe side and shut down all debate.

Anyone sense a trend here? Even in America, where the First Amendment (on freedom of expression) still just about trumps "hate crimes" law, you can see where things are headed.

A FEW weeks back, the Senate Judiciary Committee interrogated William Pryor, attorney-general of Alabama and President George W. Bush's nominee to the Circuit Court of Appeals. As part of an exhaustive effort to establish Pryor's unfitness for office, the Democrats delved into his history of homophobic vacationing.

Was it true, demanded Senator Russ Feingold, that "you even went so far as to reschedule a family vacation at Disney World in order to avoid Gay Day?" Gay Day is an annual event at Disney, and Pryor is a practicing Catholic.

Yes, he even went so far! "My wife and I had two daughters, who at the time of that vacation were six and four," replied Pryor.

"But are you saying," gasped Senator Feingold in mock astonishment, "that you actually made that decision on purpose to be away at the time of that?" He actually did! "We made a value judgment and changed our plan and went another weekend."

"Well, I appreciate your candor on that," said Feingold, like Perry Mason on cross-examination, after artfully trapping the witness into an irreparably damaging admission.

Gay Day has its sweet side - Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck walk around holding hands, and so do Minnie and Daisy. I always figured Mickey was gay anyway. But the photographic souvenirs of the day unearthed by National Review also included a man quaffing on a beer bottle rising out from the unzipped pants of another chap. I wouldn't advise any young lady visitor to Disney to try that with her boyfriend: The park is very rigorously policed the other 364 days of the year.

But the disinclination of a devout Catholic to expose his four-year-old to the delights of Gay Day now renders one unfit for public office. Which exactly is the love that dare not speak its name here?

Pryor hasn't made any anti-gay rulings, but he might do one day, if we allow him to go around avoiding gay carousing on his vacations. Best to be on the safe side and vote him down now. And any other Catholics who still take that jazz seriously.

THIRTY YEARS ago, in the early days of gay liberation, most of us assumed we were being asked to live and let live. But throughout the Western world, tolerance has become remarkably intolerant, and diversity demands ruthless conformity. In New Zealand, an appeals court upheld a nationwide ban on importing a Christian video Gay Rights/Special Rights: Inside The Homosexual Agenda.

In Saskatchewan, The Saskatoon Star-Phoenix was fined by the Human Rights Commission for publishing an advertisement quoting biblical passages on homosexuality. Fining publishers of the Bible surely can't be far off. The coerciveness of the most "liberal" cultures in the Western world is not a pretty sight.

Whatever happened to "live and let live?" If I can live with the occasional rustle from the undergrowth as I'm strolling through a condom-strewn park or a come-hither look from George Michael in the men's room, why can't gays live with the occasional expression of disapproval?

Christian opponents of gay marriage oppose gay marriage, they don't oppose the right of gays to advocate it. But increasingly gays oppose the right of Christians to advocate their beliefs. Gay activists have figured that instead of trying to persuade people to change their opinions, it's easier just to get them banned.

As Rodney King, celebrated black victim of the LAPD, once plaintively said, "Why can't we all just get along?"

But, if that's not possible, why can't we all just not get along? What's so bad about disagreement that it needs to be turned into a crime?

The writer is senior contributing editor for Hollinger Inc.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
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To: DPB101
Excellent article.

John Ch.17 V.14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

And so it is...

61 posted on 08/13/2003 11:54:55 AM PDT by azhenfud (For every government action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.)
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To: yonif
"But throughout the Western world, tolerance has become remarkably intolerant, and diversity demands ruthless conformity."

A gay man can walk in a parade with buttless pants but if a straight guy does it's called indecent exposure.

62 posted on 08/13/2003 12:09:59 PM PDT by rudypoot (99% of the lawyers make the rest look bad.)
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To: Skooz
Just time to start memorizing Scripture. A subscription to Voice of the Martyrs magazine may be helpful, as well.

Excellent points. www.persecution.com and it's free, too.

63 posted on 08/13/2003 12:17:04 PM PDT by Tax-chick (GUNS - the anti-liberal!)
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To: rudypoot
That's exactly right. Homo expression has been elevated to such a status that public displays of indecency by a particular group are now given a green light. We're way past "don't ask don't tell".

There is such a disconnect developing between our laws and our prevailing mores and values that eventually something has to give. As this continues people lose respect for the law and more and more force is required to maintain observance. If order isn't maintained we slip into some form of anarchy with a strongman coming to the fore. The foundations are being undermined.
64 posted on 08/13/2003 12:53:36 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: twowilliam
The Bible says that all Scripture was given by Inspiration and I am sure that it was only done one time by an all knowing God. Since 1881 many are taking part in so-called Bibles that change the Word of God to make it say what they believe, or seem to believe, is popular.

Exactly!! There is only One True Godly English Bible... the 1560 Geneva Bible, Bible of the Reformation Church and the most popular Bible amongst the righteous American Colonists until within a few decades of the Revolution.

All blaspheming heretics who use the evil 1611 King James Bible (which is practically nobody; well over 99% of all King James Bibles in common usage are the wickedly-modernistic 1817 Revision), a "Bible" commissioned NOT by the Church but rather by a borderline-apostate English King for the specific purpose of "toning down" some of the anti-royalist language in Scripture, are sacrilegious Ba'al-worshippers, damned to Hell!! Right?? RIGHT?? Preach it, brother!!

That was what you meant, right?

No?

65 posted on 08/13/2003 1:27:06 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty)
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To: yonif
I'm a little more... I suppose "liberal" would be the correct term... about homosexuality, but Steyn has hit the nail on the head with this one. The current gay agenda isn't about tolerance- it's about forcing an anti-family, anti-religion, anti-decency world view onto our society.

As I said, I don't consider homosexuality itself an abomination. But I do think the homosexual community should be open to criticism like any other group.

What bothers me in particular is the conflation of homosexuality with all forms of sexual deviance. I just don't get why these activists think being gay means you must embrace promiscuity, hardcore porn, and public lewd behavior. There is enough evidence out there to show that such a lifestyle is extremely dangerous to one's physical and emotional health. Why sentence your community to death, spiritual and physical, in this fashion?

The focus on identity politics is troubling too. One's sexual orientation should not be the whole of one's identity. Each individual is valuable and unique and may call himself by many names.

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.

66 posted on 08/13/2003 2:09:05 PM PDT by Hobsonphile (Haiku: Those campus leftists/Oppress free-thinking students/They must be stopped now)
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To: Hobsonphile
You've hit on something here: The radical homosexual is the poster child for the negative population growth mavens. With an NPG certainty as high as that, but with an absolute gaity about it, wouldn't you, if you were a policy maker concerned about the scarcity of worldwide resources and didn't feel comfortable with outright killing people, wouldn't you find those who practiced homosexuality the perfect model of citizen?

See? You and I have it wrong! Off to the reeducation camp with us until we realize that per deep environmentalists, seeking normative homosexuality is good policy.

68 posted on 08/13/2003 3:56:56 PM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (You can't see where we're going when you don't look where we've been.)
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To: yonif
"But throughout the Western world, tolerance has become remarkably intolerant, and diversity demands ruthless conformity."

Orwell knew all about these people.

69 posted on 08/13/2003 4:12:09 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Yehuda
nice site!: http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com
This homosexual agenda is so like the story of Lot in Sodom, when the townsfolk surround his home and demand to be allowed to all have anal sex with the guests. I always learned this with a bit of incredulity, like a whole TOWN would not be ashamed to do this en MASSE? I can just see it coming now, where the law, increasingly pro-homosexuality, will get to the point of forcing a person to engage in the behaviour itself!
71 posted on 08/13/2003 11:15:49 PM PDT by Sarah
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To: Pokey78; yonif
Thanks Pokey78, (and tares?) and yonif
72 posted on 08/13/2003 11:16:58 PM PDT by Sarah
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To: yonif
Chilling stuff in this piece.
73 posted on 08/13/2003 11:28:00 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (I call him "Mel". He calls me "Security".)
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To: Manic_Episode; scripter; hopespringseternal; F.J. Mitchell; DallasMike; Zack Nguyen; Gritty; ...
Be sure to vote "yes" that marriage should be heterosexual at this CNN poll and pass it on (poll is now down to 49% yes>

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/30/bush.gay.marriage/index.html


74 posted on 08/13/2003 11:42:22 PM PDT by Susannah (Over 200 people murdered in L. A.County-first 5 mos. of 2003 & NONE were fighting Iraq!!)
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To: Pokey78
Thanks for the ping, friend
75 posted on 08/14/2003 12:37:38 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: Pokey78; xm177e2; mercy; Wait4Truth; hole_n_one; GretchenEE; Clinton's a rapist; buffyt; ...

Mark Steyn MEGA PING!!


76 posted on 08/14/2003 12:38:17 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: yonif
All persons of faith, no matter the religion should rise up and protest this.

As an Episcopalian, I am appalled and ashamed of what our church has done. So are all Episcopalian's that I know. We are the Soddam and Gormorah of the 21st century and we are letting Satan run amok.

All persons of faith should be taking a stand and telling Satan to get behind us. We don't though, we just sit and suck out thumbs and make noises that are meaningless.

I hate no-one, I despise their practices. They are the spawn of the devil.
77 posted on 08/14/2003 12:46:52 AM PDT by dixie sass (GOD bless America)
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To: ClearCase_guy
If we would stop feeling sorry for the "minorities", maybe...

No, that won't work.

With all the land available in Africa or South America or the far reaches of the Russian Steppes, maybe they could form their own country. They would then have all of the freedoms and rights that they want.
78 posted on 08/14/2003 12:51:53 AM PDT by dixie sass (GOD bless America)
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To: Manic_Episode
"Offensive Passages"?
79 posted on 08/14/2003 12:53:14 AM PDT by dixie sass (GOD bless America)
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To: Marauder
I don't want to leave the Church, I do want to see that the Church is set back on the right path.

We have seen so changes over the last thirty years and some were good and some were bad. The latest is an atrocity.

How can we give up on the Church when she needs us now? She never gave up on us in our hour of need.
80 posted on 08/14/2003 12:57:30 AM PDT by dixie sass (GOD bless America)
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