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ATKINS ALERT
THE DAILY RECORD ^ | Aug 13 2003 | Keith Mcleod

Posted on 08/12/2003 9:55:31 PM PDT by carlo3b

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ATKINS ALERT

Aug 13 2003

Diet followers at risk, says expert

Keith Mcleod


SLIMMERS following the controversial Atkins diet are gambling with their health, a nutrition expert has warned.

Dr Susan Jebb said it would be "negligent" to recommend the diet, favoured by stars such as Geri Halliwell and Catherine Zeta-Jones, to anyone overweight.

Millions of people around the world have tried the low-carbohydrate, high-protein regime.

But Dr Jebb, of the Medical Research Council's Human Nutrition Research Centre in Cambridge, said its claimed benefits were based on "pseudo-science".

She argued that, despite a number of studies, no one knew what the long- term effects might be.

Dr Robert Atkins, who developed the diet, believed that carbohydrates such as bread, pasta, rice and starchy vegetables made the body produce too much insulin.

He claimed that led to hunger and weight gain.

His answer was to avoid such foods and eat unlimited amounts of fat and protein, leading the body to burn fat.

But Dr Jebb said such a dramatic change in eating habits was a leap in the dark.

For most people, protein accounts for a mere 15 per cent of their calorie intake. But much higher levels are eaten on the Atkins diet.

Dr Jebb said: "We simply do not know the long-term health implications.

"I certainly think we should be adopting a precautionary principle in terms of public health."

Her warning comes two months after two teams of American scientists declared the Atkins diet was effective and safe.

They found that over six months, 63 Atkins slimmers lost almost twice as much weight, an average of one and a half stone.

After a year, the gap had closed though, with the Atkins dieters down to an average weight loss of a stone compared with half a stone for others.

But Dr Jebb said the studies were too limited to provide meaningful evidence.

Dr Atkins died in April, aged 72, after slipping on ice outside his New York office and hitting his head.

 

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To: webstersII

I bet she is out trying to sell a new diet plan book and make herself money.

Give that man a cigar!!

Link to Dr. Jebb's book

I don't think that's her book. I think she's the co-author of a book review.

I haven't been able to find any books by Susan Jebb. I suspect she's just someone who's stuck in the conventional wisdom that she was taught in med school.

281 posted on 08/13/2003 11:33:53 PM PDT by jennyp ([10/99] 163 --> 146 --> 155 --> 139 [08/03])
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To: Wright is right!
After a couple of weeks the thought of sweets will make you sick.

It's amazing how overwhelmingly sweet the sugary foods taste after you go on the low-carb diet. Hubby & I eat sugar-free yogurt (Fred Meyer/QFC/Kroger), and once we bought a standard yogurt by mistake. As soon as we opened the container we could smell the sugar molecules wafting up. Yech!

282 posted on 08/13/2003 11:41:22 PM PDT by jennyp (http://lowcarbshopper.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: Mamzelle; Ditter
100 - LOL, how true - "Atkins used to try to get the dieticians to test his theories. But the dieticians were too busy with their "food pyramids"--turning the American table into a feedlot of grains and sugar, fattening us up for the kill."

I read an analysis a few years ago, of the agriculture department food pyramid diet for people , compared to the agriculture department diet for fattening pigs fast for slaughter, and they were basically the same diet.
283 posted on 08/13/2003 11:45:09 PM PDT by XBob
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To: Dusty Rose
As you say, after the "induction plan," Atkins may allow for added fruits and veggies. ? I've never followed the plan and am still learning about it. Friends of mine have reported success, but my concerns are with the long-term health consequences.

It's easier to actually read the book before you start throwing opinions around. During induction you are allowed 20g of carbs per day. What is suggested is 2 cups of salad greens (real lettuce, not just iceberg) and an additional cup of another low carb veggie per day in addition to the protein foods.

I've never in my life, until Atkins, eaten 3 cups of vegetables daily. Now, after induction one is to add back 5g of carbs per week until weight loss slows down (2 lbs per week). The first carbs added back are recommended to be another serving of vegetables. Next, Atkins recommends adding some fruit, but good fruit, the most nutritionally dense fruit compared to the amount of carbs (which happens to be berries).

The bottom line for Atkins is finding what amount of carbs you can handle and maintain a healthy weight. Depending upon your body chemistry and level of exercise, the amount of carbs will vary. Ideally, even if one can handle 200+g of carb per day, one is choosing their carbs from the most nutritionally dense available. As an example, white potatos are very high in carbs without being very nutritionally dense. Sweet potatos are also very high carb, but they are an excellent, nutritious food. Atkins recommends sweet potatos for the latter part of the diet.

284 posted on 08/13/2003 11:47:17 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: lsucat
108 - "Do you guys still have cravings, or have they completely disappeared? Can you just pass up dessert with ease now?"

The cravings mostly disappear after 2-3 days, but the 'taste' desire remains for a few weeks longer, so I recommend you get some 'high taste', low carb foods, such as a spicy soup - I particularly enjoy 'Healthy Choice', Chicken and Rice Soup, and their 'Gumbo'. Be careful though, as they do have carbs. You might wish to first try some of the high protein - low carb liquid 'chocolate shake' drinks, which taste sweet, but arent. They are pretty good. But once you get over the initial loss of your cravings, it is smooth sailing, as long as you don't eat any carbs much, which will renew your cravings, the 'taste' craving takes much longer to get rid of. But after about 3 weeks, even this pretty much goes.
285 posted on 08/13/2003 11:59:36 PM PDT by XBob
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To: agrace
And back to addiction - my mom has found that she can't even eat low-carb bars or candy because it triggers that sweet addiction. Once the switch is flipped, it's a struggle. Unfortunately for a lot of us that's just the way it is.

Many low-carbers report that the glycerin in Atkins Advantage bars (one of its sweeteners) either causes them to plateau or outright gives them carb cravings. These people are miffed that Atkins claims only 2g net carbs for their bars - they think "he" should add the glycerin grams for a more accurate figure. Fortunately hubby & I split a bar over coffee for dessert every night & we never had a problem. But some people do.

It's amazing how specific ingredients can affect some people in weird ways - it can make you think you're a hopeless exception to the rule. :-)

286 posted on 08/14/2003 12:01:53 AM PDT by jennyp (http://lowcarbshopper.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: nmh
Interesting. There's also evidence that high-fat diets help protect against seizures in children:

...Baram also noted the protective actions of UCP2 might explain why a ketogenic, or high-fat, diet, used to treat severe, drug-resistant seizures in children, prevents or dramatically reducing seizures. "It is well known that the high-fat, low-carbohydrate ketogenic diet can successfully treat children whose seizures are not controlled by standard antiepileptic medications," she said.

"This study provides a possible mechanism by which such a diet can provide seizure protection in children with devastating epilepsy," Dr. Carl Stafstrom, associate professor of neurology and pediatrics and director of the Pediatric Epilepsy Research laboratory at the University of Wisconsin in Madison, told UPI.

"The authors document protection from seizure-induced brain damage by linking the high fat diet to improved energy utilization by mitochondria in the developing brain," Strafstrom said. "This is a pivotal study in our search to understand how the ketogenic diet works."...


287 posted on 08/14/2003 12:08:03 AM PDT by jennyp (http://lowcarbshopper.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: jetson
118 - "Just eat less and excersise. "

You haven't got a clue to what the problems are in your simplistic statements. You are just like my skinny brother, who has a different metabolism. He takes after my father's father, long, lean, lanky, all his life, no matter what he ate/eats.
288 posted on 08/14/2003 12:08:55 AM PDT by XBob
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To: PhilipFreneau; Johnbalaya
>> Did Al Roker lose all his weight from the Atkins diet?

No, he had some sort of stomach surgery.

Right, in fact in the show they aired (20/20?) he said he had tried everything, including Atkins, but nothing worked for him.

289 posted on 08/14/2003 12:11:06 AM PDT by jennyp (http://lowcarbshopper.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: Those_Crazy_Liberals

"Why does anything Atkins get so much attention on FR?? : )"

Maybe because we're all plump from sitting in front of our computers and need the kind of diet that will let you eat like a King and yet look like a waif. :)

I was going to say "because we're not sheeple and we've learned to evaluate the evidence & discover the truth for ourselves", but I fear you're more correct. :-)
290 posted on 08/14/2003 12:41:12 AM PDT by jennyp (http://lowcarbshopper.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: paulklenk; jacquej; okkev68; ShandaLear; agrace; BibChr; SouthParkRepublican
Over the last year several articles on the controversy over low-carb diets have mentioned the National Weight Control Registry. This registry tracks people who have lost 30lbs or more for a year or more, in order to find patterns that are common to people who successfully lose weight & keep it off.

Their conclusions so far are that a low-fat diet works for long-term weight loss. But there are two fundamental problems with this registry: It's a straw poll, and large numbers of people have only been following Atkins for a year or two. So of course the majority of people who signed up for the registry had been on low-fat: That's what everyone - successful or not - had been doing throughout the '90s!

So we need to get more long-term Atkins dieters to sign up. If you or someone you know has been on a low-carb diet for over a year and lost 30 lbs or more, you should sign (them) up. ("Freep the Registry!") Or if you've just started on Atkins, please bookmark this site so you can sign up after a year. They need a more accurate sample to work with, 'cuz they're getting bogus results (IMO) so far.

291 posted on 08/14/2003 1:42:56 AM PDT by jennyp (http://lowcarbshopper.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: Old Professer; Technogeeb; Core_Conservative; SamAdams76
Throw away that imitation butter and eat the real thing.

Thanks to the 3 of you for the suggestion! I have recently done just that. IIRC it was SamAdams76 who told me why it was better than margarine. (Naturally saturated fats instead of artificially hydrogenated trans-fats.) It does taste good.

292 posted on 08/14/2003 1:48:47 AM PDT by jennyp (http://lowcarbshopper.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: T Wayne
Check out #291.

Dan
293 posted on 08/14/2003 5:28:37 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: jennyp
Thanks for the info - my mom has said several times "I'm not losing anymore, I think it's those bars" or "I have to stop eating those bars, as soon as I get that taste I want more" etc. It's not a problem for me, fortunately. I can eat them without craving other sweet stuff. Actually I don't even eat Atkins bars, I get a brand called Think Thin, which I think are much better. Anyway, I'll let my mom know what you said, I'm sure she'll appreciate knowing that. :)
294 posted on 08/14/2003 6:09:58 AM PDT by agrace
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To: jennyp
Last Monday, my total cholesterol was 152, HDL 48, and LDL 89. Triglycerides were at 73. Unfortunately, I do not have my pre-Atkins numbers -- sorry.

I've done Atkins for only about 3 months, but I'm ingesting much more fat that I used to. Most of my weight must have come from carb loading.

295 posted on 08/14/2003 6:29:35 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: RJayneJ
...on low cal all I think of is food and I get meaner than a snake. I'll take Atkins any day.

LOL, and true! I mean, not about you, but in general. In fact, as my tonnage grew, one of the "reasons" I didn't do anything about it is that I "knew" that being on a diet meant constantly thinking about food, about the next meal... and then every meal was like drawing up a blueprint, having to measure everything and refer to endless government guidelines. I didn't want to do that; it was so much simpler (and deadlier) just to eat what I wanted when I was hungry.

But on Atkins, while I do get hungry (at work, on long drives, etc.) it's probably hungry like normal people feel, more or less. It's not craving, it's not starving. And I don't obsess with food. And eating is not surgery; it's picking the right things, eating them, and then if I'm still hungry (rare), eating some more.

And being really happy about it all.

Dan

296 posted on 08/14/2003 6:38:05 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: jennyp
Often when the waitress asks me what kind of potato I want, I ask for a sliced tomato instead. That works well for both of us.

That may be because you LIKE tomatoes. I've grown to where I can abide them, or not mind them. Seldom "like." Instead, I see if they have cottage cheese, or other veggies I can endure, or can serve more salad, or what fruit may be available. I eat too little fruit (my bad, not the diet), and as I've said tend to stay closer to the 20 grams than not. So I always have some wiggle-room.

Dan

297 posted on 08/14/2003 6:41:58 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: agrace
More expensive than Atkins, though. Two bucks a bar ON SALE. Just dang.

Dan
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298 posted on 08/14/2003 6:50:26 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: XBob
Did I also mention that some people have allergies to certain food types and gain weight from eating them.
299 posted on 08/14/2003 7:17:53 AM PDT by jetson
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To: jetson
Yeah. I'm that way with chocolate.

(c;
300 posted on 08/14/2003 7:20:12 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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