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Ron Paul - Federal Courts and the Imaginary Constitution
House Web Site ^ | 8-11-2003 | Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX)

Posted on 08/11/2003 11:45:05 AM PDT by jmc813

It’s been a tough summer for social conservatives, thanks to our federal courts. From “gay rights” to affirmative action to Boy Scouts to the Ten Commandments, federal courts recently have issued rulings that conflict with both the Constitution and overwhelming public sentiment. Conservatives and libertarians who once viewed the judiciary as the final bulwark against government tyranny must now accept that no branch of government even remotely performs its constitutional role.

The practice of judicial activism- legislating from the bench- is now standard for many federal judges. They dismiss the doctrine of strict construction as hopelessly outdated, instead treating the Constitution as fluid and malleable to create a desired outcome in any given case. For judges who see themselves as social activists, their vision of justice is more important than the letter of the laws they are sworn to interpret and uphold. With the federal judiciary focused more on promoting a social agenda than upholding the rule of law, Americans find themselves increasingly governed by men they did not elect and cannot remove from office.

Consider the Lawrence case decided by the Supreme Court in June. The Court determined that Texas had no right to establish its own standards for private sexual conduct, because gay sodomy is somehow protected under the 14th amendment “right to privacy.” Ridiculous as sodomy laws may be, there clearly is no right to privacy nor sodomy found anywhere in the Constitution. There are, however, states’ rights- rights plainly affirmed in the Ninth and Tenth amendments. Under those amendments, the State of Texas has the right to decide for itself how to regulate social matters like sex, using its own local standards. But rather than applying the real Constitution and declining jurisdiction over a properly state matter, the Court decided to apply the imaginary Constitution and impose its vision on the people of Texas.

Similarly, a federal court judge in San Diego recently ordered that city to evict the Boy Scouts from a camp they have run in a city park since the 1950s. A gay couple, with help from the ACLU, sued the city claiming the Scouts’ presence was a violation of the “separation of church and state.” The judge agreed, ruling that the Scouts are in essence a religious organization because they mention God in their recited oath. Never mind that the land, once privately owned, had been donated to the city for the express purpose of establishing a Scout camp. Never mind that the Scouts have made millions of dollars worth of improvements to the land. The real tragedy is that our founders did not intend a separation of church and state, and never envisioned a rigidly secular public life for America. They simply wanted to prevent Congress from establishing a state religion, as England had. The First amendment says “Congress shall make no law”- a phrase that cannot possibly be interpreted to apply to the city of San Diego. But the phony activist “separation” doctrine leads to perverse outcomes like the eviction of Boy Scouts from city parks.

These are but two recent examples. There are many more, including the case of Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, who was ordered by a federal court to remove a Ten Commandments monument from Alabama courthouse property.

The political left increasingly uses the federal judiciary to do in court what it cannot do at the ballot box: advance an activist, secular, multicultural political agenda of which most Americans disapprove. This is why federal legal precedents in so many areas do not reflect the consensus of either federal or state legislators. Whether it’s gun rights, abortion, taxes, racial quotas, environmental regulations, gay marriage, or religion, federal jurists are way out of touch with the American people. As a society we should reconsider the wisdom of lifetime tenure for federal judges, while Congress and the President should remember that the Supreme Court is supreme only over other federal courts- not over the other branches of government. It’s time for the executive and legislative branches to show some backbone, appoint judges who follow the Constitution, and remove those who do not.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: constitution; globalism; lawrencevtexas; ronpaul; ronpaullist; scotus
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To: jmc813
Not at all - the electoral college breaks up sectionalism, and ensures that the desires of more of the nation as a whole are being considered and addressed in campaigns.

That isn't a "states rights" argument.

61 posted on 08/11/2003 2:50:43 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine ("What if the hokey pokey is really what its all about?" - Jean Paul Sartre)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
"Historically, there has been no practical relationship whatsoever between the concepts of "liberty" and "states rights""

Not just wrong, but very wrong.

Such "liberties" as prostitution and legal private sodomy came from the people of the states.
The people in the states also removed their state-supported religious establishments.

Jim Crow was the exception in the states' experimentations with liberty.

62 posted on 08/11/2003 2:52:02 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: cinFLA
Properly restated:

Strongly disagree with freedom of choice — 45.3%.

63 posted on 08/11/2003 2:52:49 PM PDT by xrp
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To: mrsmith
How many was that? One?
64 posted on 08/11/2003 2:59:49 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine ("What if the hokey pokey is really what its all about?" - Jean Paul Sartre)
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To: cinFLA
About a third of Americans supported George Washington and fought against the British. About a third of Americans supported King George III of England and fought for the British, and about a third of Americans sat on the fence and occasionally joined whichever side was winning at the moment.

Now this surely wasn't good news for the pro-freedom movement back in the 1770s. 1/3 of Americans were pro-American/freedom, 1/3 were pro-British/continued oppression, 1/3 were fair-weather fans. Which side would you have been on?

Another reference paints a less bleak picture:

That wasn’t the case, as only 20% of the entire population of America supported the American Revolution.

65 posted on 08/11/2003 3:02:27 PM PDT by xrp
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I dare say ALL rights were first recognized by a state before they were recognized by the federal government.

If you can think of any counter-example...

There's no growth of liberty without experimentation. Some times the people get it wrong, but historically Americans have done pretty well seeking liberty in their states.

66 posted on 08/11/2003 3:03:29 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
Some times the people get it wrong, but historically Americans have done pretty well seeking liberty in their states.

Tell that to the blacks down south who were shut out of the voting booth and their communities all the way into the 60s.

How many southern states voluntarily conveyed voting rights and and eliminated legal segregation prior to the 60s?

67 posted on 08/11/2003 3:10:19 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine ("What if the hokey pokey is really what its all about?" - Jean Paul Sartre)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Slavery was outlawed and black rights were recognized by states before the federal government.

Too bad you don't approve.
Maybe you can get the federal government to put an end to the rights of states to do such things.

68 posted on 08/11/2003 3:21:29 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: All
It would appear that the libertarian crowd has finally gone full circle; from legal prostitution to big brother in your bedroom all because ron paul says so.
69 posted on 08/11/2003 4:08:16 PM PDT by CWOJackson (The World According to Garp isn't that bad when compared with The World According to Todd.)
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To: CWOJackson; everyone
Ron Paul is wrong about our right to be left alone in the privacy of our homes. Such rights have always been recognized in our common law:

"A great lawyer of the [Puritan] period, Sir Edward Coke, made it a maxim that the common law was the embodiment of reason; -- it followed that judges must not only give reasons for their decisions, but must use reason to iron out the kinks created by bad cases….
"Nature is the twin of reason in that both are given: man is the reasoning animal by nature, and nature is what man finds ready-made to be reasoned about. It acts apart from his will and wishes.
Natural law and natural rights seem plain when one argues about fundamentals;
for instance, that every human being has a right to live unmolested, that government is needed to ensure that right, and that man-made laws must serve and not defeat natural rights.

If any civil law does work against a natural right, the law of nature warrants disobeying the law and even overthrowing the government."
"These reasonings are familiar to those who remember the preamble to the Declaration of Independence…."

70 posted on 08/11/2003 4:35:58 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: tpaine
tpaine,

Have we been transported to some sort of strange parallel universe? Here I am on a libertarian Ron Paul thread, where he and the libertarians are claiming that the state has a right to regulate what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes, I'm arguing to libertarians that the state has no authority to regulate my bedroom, AND you and I are in agreement?

I haven't had a drink in days! What's going on here?

71 posted on 08/11/2003 4:45:17 PM PDT by CWOJackson (The World According to Garp isn't that bad when compared with The World According to Todd.)
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To: jmc813; tpaine
YOU started this thread!

What in the blazes is going on? I'd surely like to know before tpaine and I go out for coffee?

72 posted on 08/11/2003 4:47:00 PM PDT by CWOJackson (The World According to Garp isn't that bad when compared with The World According to Todd.)
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To: CWOJackson
what a freakin' weird thread...
73 posted on 08/11/2003 4:56:12 PM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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To: CWOJackson
What in the blazes is going on?

I think you are under the mistaken impression that libertarians are pro-deviance. Given the smearing of us here on FR, this is not surprising. Most libertarians simply wish that we would follow the Constitution when governing. In my humble opinion, and I realize tpaine and I disagree on this one, the seperation of federal and state government takes precident over a "right to privacy".

74 posted on 08/11/2003 5:04:02 PM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: CWOJackson
I'm arguing to libertarians that the state has no authority to regulate my bedroom, AND you and I are in agreement?
I haven't had a drink in days! What's going on here?
-cwo-



Some libertarians seem to think that state/local legislators should have the power to make prohibitive law 'regulating' non-violent private behavior. - For religious reasons? - Beats me...

Apparently they dream this power can be controlled by reasonable men who can vote with their feet if all else fails.
Odd belief, contradicted by history,imo.
75 posted on 08/11/2003 5:06:35 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: CWOJackson
Oddly, many here think that if the constitution doesn't list a right then they don't have it. They somehow got it in their heads that the purpose of the constitution was to list all human rights. These people are holding their breath hoping the state doesn't tell them what to have for breakfast and when to go to bed.
76 posted on 08/11/2003 5:11:43 PM PDT by breakem
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To: breakem
What's next, no knock bed checks?
77 posted on 08/11/2003 5:18:17 PM PDT by CWOJackson (The World According to Garp isn't that bad when compared with The World According to Todd.)
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To: jmc813
I realize tpaine and I disagree on this one, the seperation of federal and state government takes precident over a "right to privacy".
74 -jmc-


You can't seem understand the concept that our individual constitutional rights take precident over both federal and state governmental powers that were granted to 'regulate' behavior.


78 posted on 08/11/2003 5:18:30 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: Dead Corpse
I'm aware of how screwed up the USSC, our legislators over-reaching their mandates, and for how long this has been going on. Starting back with Washington's abuse of the whiskey distillers.

Good point! This is more than just a recent trend. ;-)

79 posted on 08/11/2003 5:19:18 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (All roads lead to reality. That's why I smile.)
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To: CWOJackson
the state will announce bed time on your local channels
80 posted on 08/11/2003 5:22:28 PM PDT by breakem
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