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Ron Paul - Federal Courts and the Imaginary Constitution
House Web Site ^ | 8-11-2003 | Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX)

Posted on 08/11/2003 11:45:05 AM PDT by jmc813

It’s been a tough summer for social conservatives, thanks to our federal courts. From “gay rights” to affirmative action to Boy Scouts to the Ten Commandments, federal courts recently have issued rulings that conflict with both the Constitution and overwhelming public sentiment. Conservatives and libertarians who once viewed the judiciary as the final bulwark against government tyranny must now accept that no branch of government even remotely performs its constitutional role.

The practice of judicial activism- legislating from the bench- is now standard for many federal judges. They dismiss the doctrine of strict construction as hopelessly outdated, instead treating the Constitution as fluid and malleable to create a desired outcome in any given case. For judges who see themselves as social activists, their vision of justice is more important than the letter of the laws they are sworn to interpret and uphold. With the federal judiciary focused more on promoting a social agenda than upholding the rule of law, Americans find themselves increasingly governed by men they did not elect and cannot remove from office.

Consider the Lawrence case decided by the Supreme Court in June. The Court determined that Texas had no right to establish its own standards for private sexual conduct, because gay sodomy is somehow protected under the 14th amendment “right to privacy.” Ridiculous as sodomy laws may be, there clearly is no right to privacy nor sodomy found anywhere in the Constitution. There are, however, states’ rights- rights plainly affirmed in the Ninth and Tenth amendments. Under those amendments, the State of Texas has the right to decide for itself how to regulate social matters like sex, using its own local standards. But rather than applying the real Constitution and declining jurisdiction over a properly state matter, the Court decided to apply the imaginary Constitution and impose its vision on the people of Texas.

Similarly, a federal court judge in San Diego recently ordered that city to evict the Boy Scouts from a camp they have run in a city park since the 1950s. A gay couple, with help from the ACLU, sued the city claiming the Scouts’ presence was a violation of the “separation of church and state.” The judge agreed, ruling that the Scouts are in essence a religious organization because they mention God in their recited oath. Never mind that the land, once privately owned, had been donated to the city for the express purpose of establishing a Scout camp. Never mind that the Scouts have made millions of dollars worth of improvements to the land. The real tragedy is that our founders did not intend a separation of church and state, and never envisioned a rigidly secular public life for America. They simply wanted to prevent Congress from establishing a state religion, as England had. The First amendment says “Congress shall make no law”- a phrase that cannot possibly be interpreted to apply to the city of San Diego. But the phony activist “separation” doctrine leads to perverse outcomes like the eviction of Boy Scouts from city parks.

These are but two recent examples. There are many more, including the case of Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, who was ordered by a federal court to remove a Ten Commandments monument from Alabama courthouse property.

The political left increasingly uses the federal judiciary to do in court what it cannot do at the ballot box: advance an activist, secular, multicultural political agenda of which most Americans disapprove. This is why federal legal precedents in so many areas do not reflect the consensus of either federal or state legislators. Whether it’s gun rights, abortion, taxes, racial quotas, environmental regulations, gay marriage, or religion, federal jurists are way out of touch with the American people. As a society we should reconsider the wisdom of lifetime tenure for federal judges, while Congress and the President should remember that the Supreme Court is supreme only over other federal courts- not over the other branches of government. It’s time for the executive and legislative branches to show some backbone, appoint judges who follow the Constitution, and remove those who do not.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: constitution; globalism; lawrencevtexas; ronpaul; ronpaullist; scotus
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To: tpaine
You can't seem understand the concept that our individual constitutional rights take precedent over both federal and state governmental powers that were granted to 'regulate' behavior.

The "right to privacy", being unenumerated is up for discussion as to whether it is indeed a constitutional right or not. That is where you and I disagree.

101 posted on 08/12/2003 12:38:10 PM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: jmc813
Why do you reject the concept of a 'right to privacy'?
102 posted on 08/12/2003 12:48:46 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: tpaine
Why do you reject the concept of a 'right to privacy'?

It's not that I reject it as a concept, but have trouble considering it a constitutional right. For instance, how would phone-tap warrants fit in your concept of a constitutional right to privacy?

103 posted on 08/12/2003 12:54:29 PM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: ChewedGum
tpaine:
"You can't seem understand the concept that our individual constitutional rights take precedent over both federal and state governmental powers that were granted to 'regulate' behavior."



To some degree they do, until our behavior infringes on the rights of others and needs regulating. But that is a difficult discussion to have because the "line" is defined differently by every air-breather in this forum.
100 -Gum-


The line has just been defined by the USSC as at finding proof for a compelling reason to infringe & regulate.

No such reason could be found in Lawrence.
No such reason will be found in assault weapons laws.
No such reason will be found in drug prohibition laws.

The USSC has backed itself into a corner for liberty, imo. It will be interesting to see them try to squirm out.
104 posted on 08/12/2003 1:02:01 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: jmc813
"Why do you reject the concept of a 'right to privacy'?"

It's not that I reject it as a concept, but have trouble considering it a constitutional right.

Why? Whats the 'trouble'?
Your example below is just a dodge to avoid answering, imo.

For instance, how would phone-tap warrants fit in your concept of a constitutional right to privacy?

Not an issue. Legal search warrants are no problem whatsoever.

105 posted on 08/12/2003 1:10:42 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: tpaine
OK then, income tax returns. Could one claim a "right to privacy" and tell the government it's none of their damned business how much they make?
106 posted on 08/12/2003 1:15:02 PM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: tpaine
Defending the constitutionality of something is not the same thing as advocating it. There are plenty of constitutional laws that I'd personally be adamantly opposed to (such as certain types of moronic traffic laws), and I think the same can be said for many other people.
107 posted on 08/12/2003 1:16:44 PM PDT by inquest (We are NOT the world)
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To: CWOJackson
Get a grip on yourself Ron.

Actually, it's the sodomite couples who are "getting a grip on themselves."

108 posted on 08/12/2003 1:19:28 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: jmc813
Not until we repeal the income tax amendment.
Why do you reject the concept of a 'right to privacy'?"

It's not that I reject it as a concept, but have trouble considering it a constitutional right.

Why? Whats the 'trouble'?
You're still just dodging to avoid answering, imo

109 posted on 08/12/2003 1:21:43 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: CWOJackson
Ridiculous as sodomy laws may be, there clearly is no right to privacy nor sodomy found anywhere in the Constitution. There are, however, states’ rights- rights plainly affirmed in the Ninth and Tenth amendments. Under those amendments, the State of Texas has the right to decide for itself how to regulate social matters like sex, using its own local standards."

Wow. Ron's finally growing up and becoming less libertarian.

110 posted on 08/12/2003 1:23:15 PM PDT by A2J
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To: tpaine
You're still just dodging to avoid answering, imo

Answering what?

111 posted on 08/12/2003 1:24:40 PM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: A2J
Wow. Ron's finally growing up and becoming less libertarian.

States rights are a very libertarian concept. Do you have evidence that Paul ever felt differently than he does now?

112 posted on 08/12/2003 1:25:24 PM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: inquest
inquest wrote:
"Defending the constitutionality of something is not the same thing as advocating it."

It was as Ron Paul wrote it.
-- Essentially, - you're playing a word game by denying the clear meaning of his statement.
113 posted on 08/12/2003 1:27:35 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: jmc813
States rights are a very libertarian concept.

Libertarians believe so until the state says they can't do a certain thing, like smoking marijuana or making whoopee with your dog.

114 posted on 08/12/2003 1:31:23 PM PDT by A2J
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To: tpaine
He said that Texas has a right to pass these laws. He didn't say he approves of their passing these laws.

Likewise, when you say that men have the right to copulate in their own homes, I doubt you'd appreciate it if someone were to conclude that you approve of their choice of recreation.

115 posted on 08/12/2003 1:33:33 PM PDT by inquest (We are NOT the world)
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To: jmc813
"You're still just dodging to avoid answering, imo"
-109-

Answering what?
-jmc-

Why do you reject the concept of a 'right to privacy'?"

It's not that I reject it as a concept, but have trouble considering
it a constitutional right.
-jmc-


Why? Whats the 'trouble'?


If you can't, or won't answer, just say so, --or-- don't respond.
Saves face. [not that you seem to care]
116 posted on 08/12/2003 1:34:09 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: A2J
Ron Paul has always been a scrupulous adherent to the Constitution, regardless of whether he agrees with it or not. That's something that many people have a hard time understanding about him.
117 posted on 08/12/2003 1:35:31 PM PDT by inquest (We are NOT the world)
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To: A2J
Libertarians believe so until the state says they can't do a certain thing, like smoking marijuana or making whoopee with your dog.

What the hell are you talking about? I'm a libertarian and I think those laws SHOULD be up to the states, not the feds. Have you been listening to the Christian Socialist libertyphobes again?

118 posted on 08/12/2003 1:38:32 PM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: tpaine
Why? Whats the 'trouble'?

The trouble is the vagueness of the term and the trouble it would be to accurately define it. There have been countless examples of such confusion floating around FR since the Lawrence decision. Furthermore, the Lawrence case in reality had nothing to do with privacy whatsoever, as there was no mechanism in the anti-sodomy law allowing for breaches of privacy via enforcement.

Does THAT answer your question?

119 posted on 08/12/2003 1:42:06 PM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: inquest; A2J
That's something that many people have a hard time understanding about him.

It really sucks that $hitting on the Constitution has become so comonplace in both the Dem and Rep parties that the above statement is true.

120 posted on 08/12/2003 1:43:46 PM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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