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To: fishtank
Yep, now I believe. God created us and put fossils in the ground to make us think that the Earth was far older than it is. God then make the vast universe(billions of light year wide) and then fooled us by putting photons of light from object MANY(< 15) billions of light years away 999999999999999999999/1000000000000000000000ths the way from these objects to earth so it would only make it seem that the universe is really that old(Everything was created in 6 days, right?). etc....

I've got a bridge in Brooklyn that I would like to sell. You interested?

22 posted on 08/11/2003 9:24:33 AM PDT by SengirV
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To: SengirV
Perhaps it is not God who has fooled us, but we who have fooled ourselves.
26 posted on 08/11/2003 9:32:08 AM PDT by sleepy_hollow
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To: SengirV
Gravitational time dilation.

Your homework assignment:

Read "Starlight and Time" by Russell Humphreys, Ph.D. at Sandia National Labs (retired)
30 posted on 08/11/2003 9:39:19 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: SengirV
God created us and put fossils in the ground to make us think that the Earth was far older than it is.

Any first-year Creationist student would tell you that it is not in God's nature to lie, and God's nature never changes!

Clearly, it was the Devil who put all the fossils in the ground.

I know people who will tell you, straight-faced, that all UFO sightings and contacts are devil-orchestrated illusions designed to make us falsely believe that there is life outside of Earth. (I imagine if you asked further, they would ascribe to the theory that the Earth is at the center of several layers of glass globes with tiny lights in them and the planets and sun rotate around it. Hey, the idea worked fine for two thousand years, no need to change it!)

37 posted on 08/11/2003 9:47:04 AM PDT by 50sDad ("Can't sleep...clowns will eat me!")
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To: SengirV
Yep, now I believe. God created us and put fossils in the ground to make us think that the Earth was far older than it is. God then make the vast universe(billions of light year wide) and then fooled us by putting photons of light from object MANY(< 15) billions of light years away 999999999999999999999/1000000000000000000000ths the way from these objects to earth so it would only make it seem that the universe is really that old(Everything was created in 6 days, right?).

Like He said:

1. I put the fossils in the ground via a flood.

2. I spread the universe out like a scroll.

Being that God claims creative prowess over the entire universe, it wouldn't be hard for Him to spread light across vast reaches of space.

38 posted on 08/11/2003 9:47:34 AM PDT by bondserv
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To: SengirV
God created us and put fossils in the ground to make us think that the Earth was far older than it is.

I like to use this arguement in my mind to justify my problems with religion and science. If there really is an all powerful God, what would stop him from being able to create a Universe that to us mortals appears to be 16-20 billion years old?
51 posted on 08/11/2003 9:56:28 AM PDT by CollegeRepublican
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To: SengirV
Here is one for you. Supposedly the universt is 15 billion years old. The furthest star is 12 billion light years away (and we aren't at the very edge of the universe). Supposedly we all started out as an explosion at the center of the universe.

Therefore, at some time, the stars were traveling away from each other at speeds approaching C, the speed of light. They would have to have done so in order to be where they are now, right? If they had done so, then the Doppler effect would have rendered the wavelength of light so low as to be unobservable to the eye. Also, time is hugely distorted when you use Einsteinian physics, so if everything in the universe is moving at near light speed, what is the time constant that you use?
53 posted on 08/11/2003 9:59:24 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: SengirV
Those photons are optical illusions, just like fossils were put here by demons to confuse us.
70 posted on 08/11/2003 10:17:04 AM PDT by Rebelbase (In moderation of course.)
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To: SengirV
God created us and put fossils in the ground to make us think that the Earth was far older than it is.

God didn't put fossils in the ground to fool anyone. Events on this planet cause fossils to form naturally and blatent error on the part of those theorizing about their origen and then ratifying theory into 'fact' by way of opinioned vote is what presents the suggestion of vast age. The displacement of fossils in soil does not in itself indicate age at depth. Any idiot can sit down and figure that out based on events naturally occuring today. A localized flood might lay 1 foot of silt in one spot and a quarter inch in another. Bury that under progressive silt layers over time and apply liquifaction and natural sorting makes it impossible or near impossible to tell what happened to deposit the layers. Now let a volcano blast it into the stratosphere and blanket it elsewhere. How old is the material buried in the layers?

Old earth scientists have been so busy peddling their mistaken assumptions as fact that science has been given the shaft along with everyone it's supposed to serve. Special interests from the left control it just as they have controlled everything else. It's no wonder that getting a little honesty has taken a back seat to popular myth paid for by government Grants given by 50 years worth of liberal democrat congresses. Let liars and used car salesmen reign and what do we expect but to be lied to and have it labled truth.

What science needs is to be free of the idealogues and otherwise full of people who do science rather than speculation - who present facts rather than concocted theories posing as fact. We don't have that now. We have a passle of liberal idealogues building card houses that are gaurded by themselves. Anyone who examines the cards or the design is "tweaked". Anyone trying to build solid houses with real raw materials is tweaked. And when portions of the card house shake and or fall, they drag out the elmers glue and task the most rabid to rebuild the construct - proping it up with things that look like they provide support but that then too tremble with the rest of the construct.

The illusion only stands up so long as the cards are left alone. Touch one and examine it and you will be picking up cards for years. This is where we are now. Re-examining the cards and watching the gaurds howl and scream as though they were each Gollum lamenting their own stolen rings. Never mind the rings are all fake and they made all of them. But lord the shill shrieks of agony...

98 posted on 08/11/2003 11:07:55 AM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: SengirV
Yep, now I believe. God created us and put fossils in the ground to make us think that the Earth was far older than it is.

Ever think we might be misinterpreting what we see? Or have we always been right on down through the ages? You know, the earth being flat and all?

251 posted on 08/11/2003 4:44:06 PM PDT by Terriergal ("multipass!")
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To: SengirV
I confess that I am not very knowledgeable in things scientific, and that I am a Christian, by faith. That being said, a couple of questions. What caused the "big bang" if that is your theory of the beginning of the universe? Second, how did life begin? I have done a little reading of late suggesting that the spontaneous generation theory has pretty much been laid to rest... While I am a believer by faith, I don't wish to ignore science, and I thought you might have some postulates. Thanks.
571 posted on 08/13/2003 11:10:50 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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