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To: SengirV
God created us and put fossils in the ground to make us think that the Earth was far older than it is.

God didn't put fossils in the ground to fool anyone. Events on this planet cause fossils to form naturally and blatent error on the part of those theorizing about their origen and then ratifying theory into 'fact' by way of opinioned vote is what presents the suggestion of vast age. The displacement of fossils in soil does not in itself indicate age at depth. Any idiot can sit down and figure that out based on events naturally occuring today. A localized flood might lay 1 foot of silt in one spot and a quarter inch in another. Bury that under progressive silt layers over time and apply liquifaction and natural sorting makes it impossible or near impossible to tell what happened to deposit the layers. Now let a volcano blast it into the stratosphere and blanket it elsewhere. How old is the material buried in the layers?

Old earth scientists have been so busy peddling their mistaken assumptions as fact that science has been given the shaft along with everyone it's supposed to serve. Special interests from the left control it just as they have controlled everything else. It's no wonder that getting a little honesty has taken a back seat to popular myth paid for by government Grants given by 50 years worth of liberal democrat congresses. Let liars and used car salesmen reign and what do we expect but to be lied to and have it labled truth.

What science needs is to be free of the idealogues and otherwise full of people who do science rather than speculation - who present facts rather than concocted theories posing as fact. We don't have that now. We have a passle of liberal idealogues building card houses that are gaurded by themselves. Anyone who examines the cards or the design is "tweaked". Anyone trying to build solid houses with real raw materials is tweaked. And when portions of the card house shake and or fall, they drag out the elmers glue and task the most rabid to rebuild the construct - proping it up with things that look like they provide support but that then too tremble with the rest of the construct.

The illusion only stands up so long as the cards are left alone. Touch one and examine it and you will be picking up cards for years. This is where we are now. Re-examining the cards and watching the gaurds howl and scream as though they were each Gollum lamenting their own stolen rings. Never mind the rings are all fake and they made all of them. But lord the shill shrieks of agony...

98 posted on 08/11/2003 11:07:55 AM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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To: Havoc
God didn't put fossils in the ground to fool anyone. Events on this planet cause fossils to form naturally

I used that line about God putting fossils in the ground to go hand in hand with God putting light from an object many billions of light years away 6K light years away so that the light is just hitting us now.

I agree, fossils are there through natural causes. Over millions of years(some have been found in the billions) a fossil history has been created. Your very simple flood explanation may work for you in your 6K old earth/universe, but it does not work for me. How does your flood account for the destruction of extinct aquatic life like Plesiosaurs, trilobytes, etc..?

How come Noah didn't take any dinosaurs with him in the ark? He was instructed to take representatives from every animal on earth, even reptiles(Gensis 6:19-20). But he didn't take any dinosuars. So there were not any in the ark. But the bible said he took every animal upon the Earth. In order for your world to not collapse around you, land based dinosaurs would have to be extinct by then. So EVERY kind of dinosaur would have to have lived between Adam&Eve and Noah. Genesis 2:5 tells us that there was no rain nor grass nor plants when God created Adam and Eve. In Genesis 2:19, God created all animals(after he created man). So Genesis Chapter 5 gives us the lifespan of the dinosaurs. I am not going to add it up, but I'll be kind and say a couple hundred years. Kinda wacky, don't you think? The fierce lion is mentioned many times in the bible. Don't you think a reptile the size of a bus with teeth 6 inches long would garner at least one entry? They would, if they didn't die out millions of years before Noah was born.

123 posted on 08/11/2003 12:06:22 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: Havoc
As I suspected, no answer to my first response. Instead, I'll take what you say and use it against you.

Old earth scientists have been so busy peddling their mistaken assumptions as fact that science has been given the shaft along with everyone it's supposed to serve. Special interests from the left control it just as they have controlled everything else.

Please look at my post #308 here and tell me how left controls the science of trigonometry that is used as basis for measuring distances to stars?

What science needs is to be free of the idealogues and otherwise full of people who do science rather than speculation - who present facts rather than concocted theories posing as fact.

Like this article - Using the wrong instrument to measure something is proof of nothing. Also the wacky theories of Dr. Humphrey - a simple thought experiment is all that is needed to logically disprove this one(see post #84). Of course you will scream "show hard proof". Well, the next time I am in interGALACTIC space I'll take some samples of the void.

The illusion only stands up so long as the cards are left alone. Touch one and examine it and you will be picking up cards for years.

I will gladly pick up the cards of which you speak, provided you actually prove something. This article(ever hear of the right instrument for the right job?) and especially Dr. Humphrey claptrap is no where close to disproving anything.

P.S. Please respond to my post #123. I'd love to see your "What science needs is to be free of the idealogues and otherwise full of people who do science rather than speculation" response.

356 posted on 08/12/2003 9:06:35 AM PDT by SengirV
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