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Yes, Virginia, there is a religious war (Episcopal Church)
Townhall ^ | 8/10/03 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 08/10/2003 3:20:57 AM PDT by Elkiejg

He may be beloved of progressives everywhere, but the Rev. V. Gene Robinson, now bishop-elect of the Episcopal Church of New Hampshire, is a flaming fraud.

Insensitive, you say? Consider his conduct. Fifteen years ago, Robinson dissolved his marriage, dumped his wife, abandoned his two little girls and went off to shack up. He thus violated his marriage vows, flouted the teachings of the Anglican faith he was ordained to uphold and entered into a sinful liaison his church has always taught was perverted.

Having failed to conform his life to scriptural command, Robinson now demands that Scripture be reinterpreted to conform to his deviant life style. To see Robinson elevated to bishop is to be reminded that in the French Revolution, the Paris mob used the high altar at Notre Dame Cathedral to canonize the town tramp as their Goddess of Reason.

Now, with massive moral arrogance, Robinson protests that if the Episcopal faithful do not accept him as a consecrated bishop, they -- not he -- will have broken communion and be responsible for dividing the church.

Faithless to every vow he ever made, this impious cleric now proclaims undying faith to boyfriend Mark Andrew. My advice to Mark: Have his eminence fitted with one of those ankle bracelets that lets you know where the suspect is every moment of the day.

Robinson is being portrayed in the prestige press as a man of moral courage. But a man of moral courage would have stayed with his family, kept his vows, fought his temptations. Robinson ditched his family, dishonored his vows and disgraced himself. He should have been defrocked and excommunicated, not elevated to bishop.

As for the Episcopal faithful, they have little choice but to break communion. For if Robinson is morally qualified to be bishop, then Scripture is wrong. If Scripture is right, Robinson is a reprobate. You cannot teach it both ways. Either homosexual acts are immoral or the Episcopal Church has been teaching homophobia 600 years.

To witness the moral confusion at the Minneapolis convention of the American Episcopal Church is to understand which way the wind is blowing. Gay rights has become the civil rights cause du jour of our cultural elite, and politicians -- those most reliable of weather vanes -- are signaling recognition of the new correlation of forces.

Asked his own views on the morality of homosexuality, the president himself bobbed and weaved, saying, "we are all sinners" and should "respect each individual."

When Rep. Janice Schakowsky railed that he had just called gays sinners and should apologize, the White House meekly retorted that President Bush "doesn't believe in casting stones. He believes we ought to treat one another with dignity and respect."

In the Big Tent, the only mortal sin is being judgmental.

In his answer, however, the president had carefully added, "I think a marriage is between a man and a woman, and I think we ought to codify that."

This response was 100 percent political. An amendment to the U.S. Constitution to restrict marriage to a man and a woman is a wedge issue that can rip the Democratic Party apart. As long as President Bush sticks to his Briefing Book, he holds the commanding heights in what is likely to be the fiercest battle of the Culture War in 2004.

The Vatican, however, seeing the movement gaining ground, has issued a document of moral clarity calling civil unions "gravely immoral" and homosexual acts "deviant," and urging Christian leaders to oppose homosexual marriages and adoptions.

"There are absolutely no grounds for considering homosexual unions to be in any way similar or even remotely analogous to God's plan for marriage and family," declared the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Roman Church's watchdog of orthodoxy. Its 12-page guide, approved by John Paul II, states, "Marriage is holy, while homosexual acts go against the natural moral law."

With the Episcopal Church heading for schism, the Supreme Court discovering sodomy to be a constitutional right, President Bush maneuvering to back an amendment outlawing gay marriage, and the Pope denouncing homosexual unions as immoral and homosexual acts as deviant, there's no way this issue can be kept out of the campaign of 2004. Nor should it be.

But it does reveal a painful truth. America is again a house divided. The "don't ask, don't tell" moral community in which we grew up has dissolved irrevocably. Christianity, dying in Europe, is under siege in America. A paganism that holds homosexual unions to be "sacramental" -- the Rev. Robinson's term -- is ascending.

The sad sundered Episcopal Church is a mirror for America.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: episcopal; fallout; generobinson; homosexual; homosexualbishop; patbuchanan; queer; religiouswar
Except for his Bush bashing, Buchanan is 100% correct in this article.
1 posted on 08/10/2003 3:20:58 AM PDT by Elkiejg
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To: Elkiejg
Buchannan does not seem to be able to reconcile his opinions with many of the Bush administration's policies. Some may consider that to be admirable, but I see Pat as being extremeist, and simply out of touch.

His main problem is his xenophobia. Sorry Pat, but the world is a smaller place now than it was in the 1780's.
2 posted on 08/10/2003 3:35:37 AM PDT by Radix
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To: Elkiejg
Asked his own views on the morality of homosexuality, the president himself bobbed and weaved, saying, "we are all sinners" and should "respect each individual."

Barf barf baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarfffffffffff!*!*!*! We are all sinners "constantly repenting."

3 posted on 08/10/2003 3:39:10 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Elkiejg
"Except for his Bush bashing, Buchanan is 100% correct in this article." Elkiejg

I'd say 98% correct. He stated: "the Episcopal Church has been teaching homophobia 600 years".

Church of England began in 1534. That's only 469 years. Yea, I'm nic-picking.
4 posted on 08/10/2003 4:22:26 AM PDT by RockDoc
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To: Elkiejg
"Robinson is being portrayed in the prestige press as a man of moral courage."

Robinson and his supporters are lying frauds - deserving of excommunication.

5 posted on 08/10/2003 4:30:26 AM PDT by azhenfud (For every government action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.)
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To: Elkiejg
"....if Robinson is morally qualified to be bishop, then Scripture is wrong. If Scripture is right, Robinson is a reprobate. You cannot teach it both ways."

1 Kings 18:21 -"Elijah went before the people and said, "How long will you waver between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him."

"But the people said nothing."

6 posted on 08/10/2003 4:49:23 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Elkiejg
"Will no one rid us of this meddlesome priest?' - Henry II
7 posted on 08/10/2003 5:35:06 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Elkiejg
"Christianity, dying in Europe, is under siege in America."

And the vile beast slouching toward them is Islam.

8 posted on 08/10/2003 5:39:01 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The American Heartland--the Spirit of Flight 93)
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To: Elkiejg
This response was 100 percent political. An amendment to the U.S. Constitution to restrict marriage to a man and a woman is a wedge issue that can rip the Democratic Party apart

It's also apparently an issue in which the posters of Free Republic have very little interest. They'd rather react than plan.

9 posted on 08/10/2003 5:44:21 AM PDT by independentmind
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To: Jimmy Valentine
Great quote!

If for no other reason, I like Buchannan in this article because he states what he believes. How many times have people feared to say, out loud and plainly, what they think about issues. I try to be a tactful person, but moral clarity is required; especially regarding our values. At least with him, you can easily draw a conclusion about whether you agree with him or not.
10 posted on 08/10/2003 5:49:01 AM PDT by jatfla
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To: Elkiejg
The episcopal church is beginning to resemble Gaius Caligula’s Rome just before its downfall and destruction. Could history be repeating itself? Is it possible there are a few indisputable truths that are proven over and over again throughout history? Will be interesting to watch the implosion. Find a safe hilltop to watch the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
11 posted on 08/10/2003 5:51:07 AM PDT by schaketo (White Devils for Al Sharpton in 2004... Pennsylvania Chapter)
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To: Elkiejg
Robinson is being portrayed in the prestige press as a man of moral courage. But a man of moral courage would have stayed with his family, kept his vows, fought his temptations.

The best summation of "Reverend" Robinson I have yet seen anywhere.

Wait a minute...I agree with Pat Buchanan on something other than immigration? Call Satan and see if he needs his ice skates sharpened!

}:-)4

12 posted on 08/10/2003 6:41:41 AM PDT by Moose4 (I'm the moose, bring on the cheese baby!)
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To: Elkiejg
There has been a long and often close relationship between
the Anglican and Catholic Churches. In certain situations
there remains a mutual recognition of the validity of key
doctrines, liturgies, and practices. And the Catholic
Church continues to hold the faith and moral teachings as
taught by the Apostles.

In 1980 the Holy See, in response to requests from priests
and laity of the Episcopal Church who were seeking full
communion with the Catholic Church, created a Pastoral
Provision to provide them with special pastoral attention.
It also authorized the establishment of personal parishes
in dioceses of the United States in response to the request
of former faithful of the Episcopal Church in which they
may retain certain liturgical elements proper to the
Anglican tradition. This Anglican Use liturgy uses the
Book of Common Prayer (with minor updates) for the Mass.
So there is no need to lose the liturgy Anglicans are
familiar with. This Mass is valid for all Catholics as well.

Under the Provision the ordination of married Episcopal
priests was made possible as well. Since 1983, close to 100
former Episcopal ministers have been ordained for priestly
ministry in Catholic dioceses of the United States; several
AU parishes have been established and the Book of Divine
Worship has been authorized.

Resources for those interested in the Catholic faith:

Catholic Answers
www.catholic.com
A superb site for clearing away the myths propagated by too many.
Offers free on-line library that examines all the major issues,
free on-line archive of over 1,500 hours of radio/audio material,
plus magazines, books, pamphlets, tracts, videos, and more.

Coming Home Network
www.chnetwork.org
Provides fellowship, encouragement and support for Protestant
pastors and laymen who are somewhere along the journey or
have already been received into the Catholic Church.

Biblical Evidence for Catholicism
www.biblicalcatholic.com
Dave Armstrong's monster site. Eclectic, fun, exhaustingly
detailed, personal, moving, and more.

Resources for those interested in the Anglican Use rite:

Our Lady of the Atonement Parish, San Antonio, TX
Our Lady of Walsingham Parish, Houston, TX
St. Mary the Virgin Parish, Arlington, TX
St. Thomas More Parish Fort Worth, TX
St. Athanasius Congregation, Boston, MA
Church of the Good Shepherd Parish, Columbia, SC
St. Margaret of Scotland Parish, Austin, TX
St. Anselm of Canterbury Catholic Mission, Corpus Christi, TX
Atlanta Area AU Catholic Laity, Dunwoody, GA
California AU Catholic Laity, St. Francis of Assisi Church, La Quinta, CA

Yahoo Discussion Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AnglicanUse/

And our own Sockmonkey and B-Chan are Anglican Use converts.
They have generously made themselves available for answering
questions via FreepMail.

May the Word be a lamp unto your feet and a light unto your path.
13 posted on 08/10/2003 10:32:08 AM PDT by polemikos (Ecce Agnus Dei)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"we are all sinners" and should "respect each individual."

WOuld it be respectful to follow this lunatic? good grief. sinners submit to a mediation between Godhood and manhood, respect or not. Seems to me this guy will not submit to mediation challenging his views, but to his own wishful thinking.

Of course this guy forgets to mention that homos do not respect people they call friend or enemy. For with this kind of communist "logic", everything is respectful equaly so, there is no truth nor lie, but competing lifestyles. Of course this is "good" for all the useful idiots who want to compete against each other ruthlessly, instead of favoring truth over lie. Meanwhile the communists and dictators of the world study and live by a strict code of their own...

What else... it is because we are sinners that we do not have to fix what we broke, but that is not a reason to keep breaking and violating things. What are we fighting for after all? for our future generations or for the pleasure of present generations at the expense of future generations. Abortion and homosexuality go hand in hand in breaking the life cycle, putting an old perv scumbag's life above that of the innocent.

14 posted on 08/10/2003 12:07:44 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"we are all sinners" and should "respect each individual."

WOuld it be respectful to follow this lunatic? good grief. sinners submit to a mediation between Godhood and manhood, respect or not. Seems to me this guy will not submit to mediation challenging his views, but to his own wishful thinking.

Of course this guy forgets to mention that homos do not respect people they call friend or enemy. For with this kind of communist "logic", everything is respectful equaly so, there is no truth nor lie, but competing lifestyles. Of course this is "good" for all the useful idiots who want to compete against each other ruthlessly, instead of favoring truth over lie. Meanwhile the communists and dictators of the world study and live by a strict code of their own...

What else... it is because we are sinners that we do not have to fix what we broke, but that is not a reason to keep breaking and violating things. What are we fighting for after all? for our future generations or for the pleasure of present generations at the expense of future generations. Abortion and homosexuality go hand in hand in breaking the life cycle, putting an old perv scumbag's life above that of the innocent.

In effect, this gay bishop is a fixer and a punisher, not a replacer of scum by new generations. He does not respect people, he refuses replacement of the sinner by the innocent, demanding reparation of his image by others, taking their time and stealing it; and he is not "merely" living in sin, he is giving it rule over truth and innocence which have apparently to pay with their time to pay respect to his pathetic life.

15 posted on 08/10/2003 12:12:11 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
What REALLY shocks me is... I think the "president" referred to is Dubya hisself. Episcopal church government doesn't have "presidents." It is not often that Dubya utters a barfer, but this time he did.
16 posted on 08/10/2003 12:31:06 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Elkiejg; scripter
Bump & Ping



Choice4Truth

17 posted on 08/10/2003 1:59:38 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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