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The Democrats Big Lie
Fox News ^ | August 8, 2003 | Frank Gaffney, Jr.

Posted on 08/09/2003 6:11:22 AM PDT by rickmichaels

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:36:56 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Adolf Hitler once observed that it was easier to convince people of a "big lie" repeated often enough than it was to deceive them with a lot of small ones.

In their frenzied bid to displace President Bush in 2004, leading Democrats have evidently taken to heart this tip from one of the world's most successful propagandists.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: frankgaffneyjr; lies
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1 posted on 08/09/2003 6:11:22 AM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels
" I did not inhale".

" I did not have sex with that woman"

2 posted on 08/09/2003 6:19:03 AM PDT by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: rickmichaels
Ties to Palestinian terrorists are not equivalent to ties to Al Queda.
Manufacturing, or attempting to manufacture, chemical and biological weapons, is not equivalent to trying to obtain atomic weapons.

The truth is still out on most of this. Neocons have long believed Saddam posed a real and imminent danger to our country. They approached Clinton in 1998 about possible regime change. But it's also true that Saddam of 2001 was much, much weaker than Saddam of 1991.

3 posted on 08/09/2003 6:24:42 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
But it's also true that Saddam of 2001 was much, much weaker than Saddam of 1991.

And thus far more likely to use terrorist proxies, who would not leave a Baghdad return address.

4 posted on 08/09/2003 6:31:03 AM PDT by StriperSniper (Make South Korea an island)
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To: liberallarry
Tell that to Bob Graham. He stated in October, 2002 that Iraq was attempting to develop a nuke program. Since he sits on the intel. committee, he obviously saw the same info. Also in 1998 the dims in the senate voted to give Clinton all the authority he needed to take out Saddam. They of course knew he lacked the will or courage....W didn't.

Tell your revisionist history to other dims. They are so full of hate for the POTUS that they will believe anything.
5 posted on 08/09/2003 6:31:21 AM PDT by arkfreepdom
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To: rickmichaels
For several years I have watched GWB as he served as Governor of our state. Perhaps his most endearing quality is his simple straight-forward communication style. When GWB speaks you don't have to wonder what the definition of "is" is. I watched the 2000 campaign a bit amused as the media would parse his statements and go: "what did he mean by that?". There's an easy way to know what Bush means when he says something; he means exactly what he said.

I see the whole thing with the "16 words" as symptomatic of the media's (and Dem's) failure even at this stage to understand this simple truth about GWB: He means what he says. You don't have to pull 16 words out of a speech, parse it, redefine it, then apply it from your perspective for an "Aha!" moment.

If you want to understand what Bush means, sit and listen to him just like he was sitting in a lawn chair talking to you directly. That's probably the thing I love the most about Bush and why I would never vote for one of his opponents. I trust him to tell me the truth. No amount of spin by the Dems and their media water-carriers could ever change the deep understanding I have of his qualities in this area.
6 posted on 08/09/2003 6:35:48 AM PDT by Athelas
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To: Athelas
There's an easy way to know what Bush means when he says something; he means exactly what he said.

Qusay and Uday knew he meant what he said just as they knew Clinton didn't.

7 posted on 08/09/2003 6:40:39 AM PDT by arasina (I BRAKE FOR BUTTERFLIES)
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To: rickmichaels
I haven't been keeping up with the news and FR lately. Is anyone asking questions about the roots of Moveon.org? Why would Gore associate himself so publicly with this org?
8 posted on 08/09/2003 6:44:43 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: StriperSniper
And thus far more likely to use terrorist proxies, who would not leave a Baghdad return address.

Your fantasies are not reality.

I supported - and continue to support - our intervention in the Middle East because I think its culture is terminally dangerous. But I also believe - and support - the idea that the Administration exagerated the immediate dangers because its real reasons could not honestly be sold to the American public, and lack of action would have exposed the country to ever worse dangers.

9 posted on 08/09/2003 6:54:18 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: rickmichaels
I've been stating this on FR for months. This is the Big Lie from the Demorats. Among other reasons, we went to war with Iraq because they would not fully cooperate with the UN inspectors to prove they had no WMDs or WMD programs. It does not matter whether or not we eventually find WMDs or WMD programs in Iraq, now that we are in control, we can get to the bottom of the matter. The UN, the Europeans, and, surprise!, the Demorats has taken advantage of a subtle point to their political advantage.
10 posted on 08/09/2003 6:55:50 AM PDT by TheDon (Why do liberals always side with the enemies of the US?)
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To: liberallarry
the idea that the Administration exagerated the immediate dangers

That is the real fanasy, the words in the SOTU were "growing and gathering" threat, not imminent.

and lack of action would have exposed the country to ever worse dangers.

If you let a threat "grow and gather", the dangers would indeed become worse, no?

11 posted on 08/09/2003 6:58:11 AM PDT by StriperSniper (Make South Korea an island)
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To: bert
WAIT WAIT WHAT ABOUT?
"NO CONTROLING LEGAL AUTHORITY"! That is still my favorite!
12 posted on 08/09/2003 6:59:08 AM PDT by DAPFE8900 (q)
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To: rickmichaels
Another thing about the power of the "big lie": non-psycho people find it easy to believe that other people can and will do what they do, but tend to resist believing that a given person will dosomething outrageously wrong that they wouldn't do. Since they don't tell whoppers very often (maybe never), there's a push to believe something "big."
13 posted on 08/09/2003 7:00:20 AM PDT by 185JHP ( Penumbras. Emanations. Fatuities.)
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To: arkfreepdom
Tell that to Bob Graham. He stated in October, 2002 that Iraq was attempting to develop a nuke program.

So what? Attempting? What does that mean? How far along were they? How effective was deterrance and inspection? If the evidence was so clear why didn't everyone interpret it in the same way?

Tell your revisionist history to other dims

Try not to be a complete ignoramus. There is no canonical history of these events yet...so there's no revisionist history. Everything is current.

14 posted on 08/09/2003 7:00:57 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: bert
"I had to bomb that aspirin factory in - oops! - the wrong
country on the same day Monica testified in court for
reasons of national security."
15 posted on 08/09/2003 7:04:47 AM PDT by Twinkie
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To: StriperSniper
Many, many governments are trying to develop WMD because they're what gives one power and independence in the modern world. No one denies this. No one denies that the dangers are growing as WMD become ever easier to manufacture and/or buy.

The real question is how shall we respond. The answer is - it depends on the context. So why single out Saddam for immediate military action? Was the threat from him "growing and gathering" at such a rate that we were left with no other options? So far, there is no evidence of that.
16 posted on 08/09/2003 7:08:32 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
"I had to bomb that aspirin factory in - oops! - the wrong
country on the same day that Monica testified in court for
reasons of national security."
17 posted on 08/09/2003 7:08:51 AM PDT by Twinkie
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To: liberallarry
Oh, I see, it's OK to say something just not act on it. Now that's a recipe for effective leadership.

And yes it is revisionist to say Bush was saying anything that everyone else wasn't saying about Iraq...that's the revision part and you know it. And lay off the ignoramus part. You don't know me or my intelligence or lack of...typical liberal elitist....call someone names when your argument is weak.
18 posted on 08/09/2003 7:09:09 AM PDT by arkfreepdom
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To: arkfreepdom
Hatred is a disease, and Dims have it bad.

The memory of the public is short, but the memory of google is infinite. This is the point the Dims forgot.
19 posted on 08/09/2003 7:15:20 AM PDT by snooker
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To: DAPFE8900
What about....So What? Everybody lies!

20 posted on 08/09/2003 7:19:30 AM PDT by shiva
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