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1 posted on 08/05/2003 11:03:21 AM PDT by Timesink
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I don't watch Fox ALL day, 5 days a week I go to work and I'll flip over to ESPN if The Braves are playing.
2 posted on 08/05/2003 11:11:17 AM PDT by .cnI redruM ("If you think no one cares about you, try skipping next month's car payment" - Daily Zen)
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[stupid/ greedy/ mean/ venal/ dishonest/ selfish/ hateful/ bigoted/ power-mad/ narrow-minded/ cruel/ careless/ hypocritical/ violent]

...Seeking like minded female for friendship/more <;-(
3 posted on 08/05/2003 11:12:48 AM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (call me paranoid)
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While some of the points made in the blog were interesting, and some even right on the mark, a lot of it fails the sanity test. If you believe that there is such a thing as "objective truth", even though ofttimes it may be difficult to discern, then you could indeed conclude after performing suitable research, that one party (namely, the left) more often needs to lie in order to advance their agenda. So, the neutral view that "everybody does it" (that is, relies on baldfaced lies to advance their agenda), is just not supported by the facts on the ground.
4 posted on 08/05/2003 11:14:28 AM PDT by The Electrician
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Why can't the Democrats seem to get it together?

The answer to this one was first put forth by Thomas Sowell a couple of years ago. Democrats can't seem to "get it together" because their Marxist worldview only works in places like schools, government institutions and media outlets -- places where there is no real price to pay for failure.

5 posted on 08/05/2003 11:17:14 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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sorry.. did not mean you personally!
6 posted on 08/05/2003 11:17:31 AM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals (call me paranoid)
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Better to lose honorably, say my Democratic pals, and I admire their spirit.

Like the Dem's in Texas?

7 posted on 08/05/2003 11:20:01 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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In other words, the reason the Democrats are doing so poorly is that they are full of themselves. Or at least this is one of the reasons. The fact that the world is too dangerous a place, and the Democrats are to a man (or woman) too cavalier with American security, is another reason. Also, the fact that the statism that is the bedrock of the Democrat appeal has been a bankrupt philosophy since the mid-1960s and the Democrats haven't come up with a viable alternative in a generation is another reason they're gasping for breath. The Democrats are so bereft of concrete ideas and principle that their only refuge are the politics of personal destruction, race-baiting, class envy, and the rest of their arsenal of lies. Americans are beginning to sense all of this, and it makes them queasy. This is why the Democrats don't have a snowballs chance to beat Bush next year. Put simply, Bush is trustworthy, they are not.
9 posted on 08/05/2003 11:24:52 AM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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I would like for tax cuts to raise tax revenue, but it is not so.

Generally, a good argument, but this one makes her look rather slow...

No one (with a shred of intelligence) doubts the reality of the laffer curve.

The laffer curve - Tax revenue will be lowest at a rate of 0% and 100%, it will rise from both ends of the curve and meet at a maximum somewhere between them.

That tax cuts "never" increase revenue is as asinine as stating that lowering a consumer price will never increase revenue. To say that tax cuts never increase revenue would require that you also believe that pricing gum at $100 a pack will raise 100 times more revenue than if you price it at $1 per pack. (Time is the biggest difference in the two arguments - buying gum is optional, thus pricing effects will be quick. Paying taxes, in the short-run, is required and will respond more slowly to rate changes.)

Tax rate increases will increse revenue if the rate is above the inflection point, it will lower revenue if the rate is below the inflection point. (Speculation - rates are higher for high income people - thus rate cuts increase revenue. Rates are lower for low income people - thus rate cuts decrease revenue. Tax cuts should ONLY be for the rich!!!)

12 posted on 08/05/2003 11:27:27 AM PDT by Onelifetogive
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.....but because they live in a bubble, and thus are genuinely not aware that the other side may occasionally have the better of the argument.

Insularity doesn't explain the entirety of the left's hardheadedness. There's an intoxication which prevents them from seeing any other possibility, even when confronted with clear-cut evidence they are wrong.

No matter, the hangover's going to be a bitch.

13 posted on 08/05/2003 11:31:32 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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This is a sweet attempt to rationalize, but it ultimately fails. This piece is prone to establish both parties as being equals, but different. That's not true. One is based on lies and deceit. the other is based on truths and basic goodness. They cannot be demonstrated as one = one. Nice try, though.
14 posted on 08/05/2003 11:32:36 AM PDT by whereasandsoforth (tagged for migratory purposes only)
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Being a true Democrat means never to have to admit you're wrong, or sorry!
15 posted on 08/05/2003 11:32:58 AM PDT by Gritty
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What is true is that Democrats, right now, have more ability to insulate themselves from being confronted with the views of the other side. Geographically, they can isolate themselves into coastal cities, which is why I never met any Republicans except my grandparents until I went to business school.

: ''I don’t know how Richard Nixon could have won. I don’t know anybody who voted for him.'' - Pauline Kael's reaction to Richard Nixon's 49 state landslide presidential victory over George McGovern in 1972

It is even now common at gatherings of New Yorkers to hear bitter recriminations about the Supreme Court stealing the election for Bush, even though the recount seems to have shown, as conclusively as anything can, that Bush would have won even if the Supreme Court had mandated the exact recount Gore's team wanted. It isn't disingenuous; they do not know this fact. And how do they not know it? Because there are five million or so other people around who constantly tell each other that the Supreme Court stole the election for Bush. And like anything that one hears over and over from sympathetic sources, it becomes true to them, just as most of us love our siblings even though we've never really stopped to consider the matter. Everyone says that people love their siblings; therefore it is so.

Very true. Liberals cite each others lies so often, that they often become "facts" in their minds as well in the minds of the less informed public. Quite often I watch something untrue pop up on a liberal site (buzzflash, bartcop, du, etc.), and before I know it, other liberals are cutting and pasting that lie all over the internet on message boards, websites, and newsgroups. (The Lovenstein IQ hoax is just one of many examples. To this day, people, mostly liberals, are still falling for that lie.).

16 posted on 08/05/2003 11:33:11 AM PDT by lowbridge (You are the audience. I am the author. I outrank you! -Franz Liebkind, The Producers)
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I have a feeling that the Bush enjoys subtly reinforcing the liberal myopia by leaving some vagueness about his motives. He will explain his actions in very simple language that is refreshing to his supporters, but reinforces the suspicions and prejudices of his enemies, driving them a little crazy. Bush plays up his 'cowboy' persona and doesn't shirk from his malapropisms.

Limbaugh does the same thing in his own way. He definitely goes out of his way to gin up the hatred of liberals in order to keep them seething and listening.

20 posted on 08/05/2003 11:38:21 AM PDT by Monti Cello
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They see their beliefs as part of some mystique. They are what Thomas Sowell once termed "The annointed. A self-selecting elite."

Bush will leave them to The Ben and Jerry's Country Club to eat their Cherry Garcia ice cream after he has dismantled them in election 2004. He has a country to govern.
22 posted on 08/05/2003 11:41:12 AM PDT by .cnI redruM ("If you think no one cares about you, try skipping next month's car payment" - Daily Zen)
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This *was* a thoughtful and interesting post. But in going for the deep, meaningful and comprehensive summary statement-- trying to leap over tall inconsistencies in a single bound, you might say-- the writer unconsciously trips a lot of readers' hair-trigger responses. Which is kind of a shame. Sort of like using a very fine-tipped pen to write a carefully reasoned essay on the outer skin of a banana, then dropping that banana into the monkey cage at the zoo. The leading thesis of the essay, the original, inescapable, unarguable point (this is a democracy, we are all sentient human beings capable of resolving complex issues by negotiation, as well as confrontation) kind of gets lost in the mad grab for the bright, yellow "prize". That prize being the proper maintenance of dogmatic, ideological purity.

25 posted on 08/05/2003 11:46:21 AM PDT by MoJoWork_n (We don't know what it is we don't know.)
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This reminds me of the story told by damn-I-forget-his-name-but-he-wrote-Bias of the NYT Reporter wondering,

"How did Nixon beat McGovern? I don't know anybody who voted for him."

They live in their own little circle, regurgitating their own ideas, so it wasn't incredible to old-what's-his-name that, even though Nixon carried 49 States, the NYT lady wouldn't know a single person who voted for him.

27 posted on 08/05/2003 11:50:51 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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The asymmetry in the treatment of conservative and liberal views is a reason why liberals are more likely to be unacquainted with serious conservative ideas. This asymmetry isn't just in the media, though-- and it is there. It is in the schools and universities, as well.

There's another reason for liberals to be less likely to comprehend their opponents. When it comes to government subsidies, whether in the form of jobs or lifestyle support or what have you, there is always an asymmetry of perceived harms. Those benefiting from direct subsidies can identify themselves and can clearly identify the benefit from the subsidy; those harmed through lower growth and higher unemployment, however, may be entirely unaware of the impact of these subsidies on themselves. Which unemployed person can say for certain whether he would have a job in an economy with lower taxes, for example?

So, it usally requires more intellectual distance to appreciate the harms of a tax-subsidized economy, and hence it's more likely someone who does appreciate these harms will already be acquainted with the harms pointed to by liberals. To appreciate the harms of having your government check reduced, however, doesn't require much acquaintance with the alternative point of view.

28 posted on 08/05/2003 11:56:39 AM PDT by Timm
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Ms. Galt is so wrong in her comment about tax cuts...

Cutting marginal tax rates DOES - to an extent - cause tax revenue to increase. Look at the 1980s when Reagan and Regan forced the Dims to pass tax rate reduction.

Look again at the 1990s when a Repblican Congress forced Clinton to sign tax cuts.

Problem with the Laffer Curve is that it's a dynamic relationship with a very large number of variables.
30 posted on 08/05/2003 12:00:46 PM PDT by Yudan (Leave it to a Dimwitcrap to bring a knife to a gunfight.)
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There are many issues for which I feel that neither Party will truly address.

1. Illegal immigration is wrong. If you want to protect America, why not begin here at home with the sealing of our borders. This isn't racist. This is the opportunity to actually show that the government is doing all it can to protect the American people.

2. Expansion of government spending. I'm very disturbed by the expansion of our government. I realize that 911 had an affect on that. Okay? So? Why not tighten the belt a little. Why should we pay for the airlines and other industries. Either people wanna travel on plane or they don't.

3. The majority of this country would be better off if we stopped sending monies overseas all the time. Americans work hard for the money. The government just gives it away as though the money comes from a bottomless pit. It does not.

4.Jobs being shipped overseas really disturbs me. Who is doing anything to stop the flow of the American job markets to countries like India. Our government, state governments, and local governments give tax credits and breaks to corporations. Yet, these people will save their profit and then ship over the jobs to foreign markets. Perhaps, the governments of other countries will demand that US Corporations pay their workers the same as their American counterparts. I doubt this would happen, but it would be poetic justice.

5. President Bush's educational plan is awful. Why? Because it has Ted Kennedy's signature all over it. It is wasteful spending and doesn't address the real issues regarding Education in this country.

There is much work to be done by both parties. The choice between big and bigger government is not a very good choice at all. It's depressing to see no government programs decreased in spending.

We live in the land of wealth and opportunity. We have a lot of "wealth" and if you have a scam to sell the government, they'll give you the opportunity. This is the state of our American government today. It's rather ironic. The more the government does to "protect and help America" the less protected or helped we feel.

Perhaps I am the only one not currently happy with what's going on, but I just needed to vent. Maybe I'll feel better now.

So? If Karl Rove or any other Republican Party members actually read this page, please know that my disappointment is mounting. I have voted Republican all my life, but I feel that these are some issues that need to be addressed. Not by some pansy spokesperson, but someone who can actually answer these questions and do something about it.

32 posted on 08/05/2003 12:07:43 PM PDT by MoJo2001
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ideologically simpatico opinion column writers

Too many big words for this vwrc conservative.

34 posted on 08/05/2003 12:16:43 PM PDT by Tom Bombadil
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