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President Blames Unemployment On Lack Of Tech Skills
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Posted on 07/31/2003 11:53:32 AM PDT by Florida_Irish

During a Wednesday morning (July 30th) press conference, President Bush was asked a question about jobs going overseas as a result of technological innovation. His response was:

"I fully understand what you're saying. In other words, as technology races through the economy, a lot of times worker skills don't keep up with technological change."

Many people have taken his response to mean that unemployment in the high-tech sector is the result of American workers who allowed their skills to become obsolete. This is an unacceptable explanation.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush43; freetrade; jobs; nwo; outsourcing
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Welfare is socialist.
381 posted on 07/31/2003 2:01:12 PM PDT by luckydevi
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To: RaceBannon
Yep. I stand by my post.
382 posted on 07/31/2003 2:01:20 PM PDT by hchutch (The National League needs to adopt the designated hitter rule.)
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To: thackney
Thanks for the links. The point I am trying to make is illustrated by that list - where has Bush expressed support for curtailing or ending the H1-B program? Or fighting illegal immigration, which also lowers salaries and takes away jobs from Americans and legal immigrants? Or where has he discussed efforts to curtail outsourcing? I haven't seen it, if Bush has said anything about these subjects, someone please post it and I will stand corrected.

But in absense of such statements, it is simply asinine for Bush to imply that we just need more training for workers affected by changes in technology - when there is a far broader economic change going on here, and all the training in the world ain't gonna help these folks, let alone trainin for tech jobs that are going away as we speak.

383 posted on 07/31/2003 2:01:57 PM PDT by dirtboy (Who's that big cat I saw roaming around here again?)
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To: wesdale
Well, you have a valid point. But I believe in what was ONCE a Representative Republic. And I honor our Founding Fathers. They tried for the impossible, and even though we won't last as long as Rome, they held Cincinnatus' dream.
384 posted on 07/31/2003 2:02:51 PM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: laweeks
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/954156/posts

Here is a list of some of my skills, will you take a chance and train me if I agree to a full time job at about $16 an hour? Even though I have been an engineer for 7 of the last 8 years?

No one else will...
385 posted on 07/31/2003 2:03:19 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: clamper1797
My friend Chris has 14 patents and a PHd EE ... he's been out of work for almost 2 years now

Well, he obviously just needs more training /sarcasm. Seriously, I feel his pain, I was out of work for eight months last year and it sucked lemons.

386 posted on 07/31/2003 2:03:50 PM PDT by dirtboy (Who's that big cat I saw roaming around here again?)
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To: dirtboy
By people with whom I subsequently reached agreement on some of my contentions. But, then again, unlike you they were honestly interested in debate.

Yeah whatever dirt, believe what you want to believe. You have been kicking and screaming all this thread that Bush's remarks were not misconstrued, even when presented with the evidence.

Rant on dirt, I am done trying to reason with people who want to live in their own little world.

BTW, it is your right as an American to live in your little world, that doesn't make it sane, though.

387 posted on 07/31/2003 2:05:53 PM PDT by Dane
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To: wesdale
Protectionism is Marxist Policy??

Where did you hear tha whopper? We were protectionist for 2 centuries in this country!!

"But, in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade." ~ Karl Marx, On the Question of Free Trade, January 9, 1848 http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/01/09ft.htm#marx

"Communists and socialists feel sure that setting up international “free” trade systems which impose regulations chuck full of intrigues, redistribution plans, arbitrary law, and interdependence schemes, will win out against the conservative interests of every free nation. What could be better than to use “free” trade to reverse the advantage of the relatively free, moral, prosperous, and strong nations of the Earth, so that the tyrannical, amoral, poor, and weak nations of the socialist bloc might get the upper hand? What could be a more cunning approach than to market the idea that those who oppose “free” trade are enemies of freedom?" http://www.newsmax.com/commentarchive.shtml?a=2000/6/27/105655

388 posted on 07/31/2003 2:06:02 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: StolarStorm
I'm pretty sure that slavery was a bit different. But there are similarities with other large immmigrations in the past.

My ancestors came to America in the 18th century to find jobs as cobblers and blacksmiths. No doubt they took a job from your ancestors.

Or could it be that your ancestors landed after mine, perhaps to build railroads or work the docks. Maybe they came here to work on farms. Whose job did they replace? Why is this any different?
389 posted on 07/31/2003 2:06:06 PM PDT by wesdale
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To: Florida_Irish
This is an unacceptable explanation.

This is an understatement.

It is an explanation by someone who has one foot in reality and the other foot planted firmly on a bananna peel.

390 posted on 07/31/2003 2:07:01 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: jagrmeister
This whole business of "cheap labor" driving immigration misses the main point that not enough Americans get compsci degrees.

As long as wages continue to decline in tech fields, how do you suppose we get more people to get compsci degrees or training? How about those up-to-date skilled Americans who still get the boot because they demand a livable salary?

391 posted on 07/31/2003 2:07:02 PM PDT by Florida_Irish (Outsourcing is unpatriotic)
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To: Dane
Yeah whatever dirt, believe what you want to believe. You have been kicking and screaming all this thread that Bush's remarks were not misconstrued, even when presented with the evidence.

Dane, either present said evidence yourself, or do us all a favor and duct tape yourself to a rabid badger.

392 posted on 07/31/2003 2:07:15 PM PDT by dirtboy (Who's that big cat I saw roaming around here again?)
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To: dirtboy
In my industry, many "experienced" (+20 yr) do not keep up with the software. And they are one of the first to go, and some of the last to be picked back up when the business turn good. It is very cyclic (sp?) and happen over and over. For these, training would help.

I have had several jobs in 15 years. My experince in some of the more advanced software has kept me employeed or helped get a job sooner. It is not a guarantee of employment; but not keeping up with the time puts your higher on the layoff list and lower on the re-hire list. -peace

393 posted on 07/31/2003 2:07:17 PM PDT by thackney
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To: luckydevi
Welfare is socialist.

Sitting around watching jobs leak out of this country is inhumane. Socialistic at worst. Hey I know, listen up all you lazy, unemployed IT workers: learn Spanish and follow the crops. Since the only thing you'll have left is your car (if you're lucky), it won't be so bad. Just think of the education your kids will get!!! Viva diversity!!!

Luckydevi, I think you are a classic troll...

394 posted on 07/31/2003 2:07:28 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (You bring tar, I'll bring feathers....recall Davis in 03!!!)
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To: Florida_Irish
As long as wages continue to decline in tech fields, how do you suppose we get more people to get compsci degrees or training?

Hmmm, take out $80K in student loans to make $20K a year, when you can get menial factor work that pays that.

Sounds like a great ROI to me.

395 posted on 07/31/2003 2:08:29 PM PDT by dirtboy (Who's that big cat I saw roaming around here again?)
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To: thackney
maybe I could use a little training myself

turn=turns
experince=experience
employeed=employed
397 posted on 07/31/2003 2:10:18 PM PDT by thackney
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To: Florida_Irish
"President Bush was asked a question about jobs going overseas as a result of technological innovation."

The question was obviously phrased wrong to begin with. Everyone knows the jobs aren't going overseas because of technical innovation, but because of cheap labor. Programmers in India earn about 1/10th of the salary earned by a programmer in America.

It's just a different kind of sweatshop.

398 posted on 07/31/2003 2:10:34 PM PDT by MEGoody
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To: luckydevi
If more people are unemployed in the US, expect socialism to rise. People don't lose their jobs to overseas folks making pennies and just smile and say "That's the free market". They turn to the government for whatever help.

If we want capitalism to thrive in America, instead of more socialism, we need to have some level of protection for American jobs instead of happily sending them to a socialist or communist country.

399 posted on 07/31/2003 2:10:55 PM PDT by Florida_Irish (Outsourcing is unpatriotic)
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To: RaceBannon
You realize Reagan was a big fan of free trade. You realize 99.9% of capitalist economists believe in free trade. You realize the father of capitalism Adam Smith believed in free trade. Guess where the word Capitalism came from, Marx. So should we stop using the word capitalism?
400 posted on 07/31/2003 2:10:56 PM PDT by luckydevi
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