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Sex: do we really need it?
Australian Broadcasting Corporation Science ^ | Tuesday, 8 July 2003 | Wilson da Silva in Melbourne

Posted on 07/30/2003 8:56:08 AM PDT by I_dmc

Sex: do we really need it?

ABC Science Online

 

 

Birds do it, bees do it, humans do it - but nobody knows why sex evolved at all, the world congress of genetics heard in Melbourne today.

"The evolution of sex has presented a paradox to evolutionary biology for over a century," said Associate Professor Sally Otto, an evolutionary biologist at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, to delegates attending the 19th International Congress of Genetics.

"It's known there are a lot of costs to reproducing sexually. Why make sons and males, if you could just produce females that were able to reproduce by themselves? That's a division of resources into two sexes that seems unnecessary," she said.

Not only does this seem to waste resources, the whole process is prone to failure. There's the risk of not finding a mate, and the risk of getting a disease during mating. There's also a more subtle risk: if an individual reaches reproduction age and finds a mate, it is a successful genotype - a tried and true model of a species. But then that individual mixes their genotype with a mate, with no guarantee that the mixture is going to be any better.

(Excerpt) Read more at abc.net.au ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: evolution; genetics; sex
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To: I_dmc
the risk of not finding a mate, and the risk of getting a disease during mating

Not if both parteners are virgins when they marry.

81 posted on 07/30/2003 9:38:34 PM PDT by It's me
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To: I_dmc
the risk of not finding a mate, and the risk of getting a disease during mating

Not if both parteners are virgins when they marry.

82 posted on 07/30/2003 9:38:54 PM PDT by It's me
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To: It's me
Ooops...
83 posted on 07/30/2003 9:39:21 PM PDT by It's me
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To: austinTparty
More whining from ugly women who had issues with wardaddy.

LOL...very good!

Actually....more scorn from absolutely drop dead gorgeous women who have had issues with wardaddy because he was a "bad boy".

Now, I'm middle aged with many children and a lovely wife and that is all from someone else's life....but the sins of the father do revisit...terrifyingly....especially with lovely teenaged daughters. G-d knew all he had to do was wait.

84 posted on 07/30/2003 9:43:45 PM PDT by wardaddy (True happiness is nuts after the flop.)
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To: austinTparty
Beautiful homepage...great town...I have kin there and an ex girlfriend as well who is tenured at UT.
85 posted on 07/30/2003 9:45:07 PM PDT by wardaddy (True happiness is nuts after the flop.)
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To: Petruchio
Ummmm(cough), well I guess so! All I can say at this point is, whats up with the tag line??
86 posted on 07/31/2003 4:30:05 AM PDT by sit-rep
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To: TRY ONE
"Me don't don't think you know what you're talking about. Much IS WRITTEN in the WORD if one wants to go read it!"

Well let's put it to the test shall we? Does one need to be baptized (immersed) in water to be saved? (I shant hold my breath for a response...)

87 posted on 07/31/2003 4:34:25 AM PDT by Windsong
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To: TRY ONE
"Gen. 4:1 "Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain.."

This happened after they were expelled. *Ahem*

88 posted on 07/31/2003 4:38:14 AM PDT by Windsong
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To: I_dmc
Yes
89 posted on 07/31/2003 5:06:49 AM PDT by Freepers Son (Don't bite my sister, Mr Moose. I've got cheese and I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: Windsong
"Well let's put it to the test shall we? Does one need to be baptized (immersed) in water to be saved? (I shant hold my breath for a response...)"

NOOP! Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved!

Christ + nothing else = Salvation!


90 posted on 07/31/2003 6:06:42 AM PDT by TRY ONE (")
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To: Windsong
"Gen. 4:1 "Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain.."
This happened after they were expelled. *Ahem*

--- So, you're saying there would be no sexual relations had there not been the "Fall"????? That God would have continued to create humans outside the womb? Must be in the Book of Hesitations!


91 posted on 07/31/2003 6:12:07 AM PDT by TRY ONE (")
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To: ravingnutter
Thanks better creature:-)

Three ladies were walking down the street when they found a lamp. So one of the ladies rubs it and a genie pops out. "I will grant each of you one wish, and only one wish." So the ladies were thinking long and hard when the first lady says "I got it! I would like to be extremely smart."{POOF} This lady can read the dictionary like it was nothing, spell any word, and do math within seconds. The other two girls were amazed...so the second lady says "I want to be two times smarter than my friend."{POOF} Now the second lady was two times smarter than the first...she could speak five other languages, found the formula for nuclear fusion, and explain everything about our DNA. Totally blown away, the third lady says that she has it "I want to be two times smarter than both my friends put together."{POOF} She turns into a man. :)

92 posted on 07/31/2003 6:54:34 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: I_dmc
Sex was designed by God so that husband and wife could bond as well as produce children (which in itself is a bonding experience). Unfortunately, man has perverted this beautiful gift from our Creator.
93 posted on 07/31/2003 7:01:32 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: XJarhead
"The genetic variation and natural selection argument seemingly cuts that to ribbons."

But why was that required? The first single-celled organisms didn't have intercourse to reproduce, did they? And yet they somehow 'evolved' into something else at some point. The question is then, why did they later evolve into creatures that reproduced via intercourse? What was the purpose? And what factors specifically caused the evolution of two sexes?

94 posted on 07/31/2003 7:05:30 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: XJarhead
"And because it was such a successful mutation, it became the dominant pattern for advanced life."

Please tell me, what are the most plentiful life forms on the planet. Are they not single-celled creatures who do not use intercourse for reproduction?

So how is that method of reproduction not successful?

95 posted on 07/31/2003 7:07:50 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: wardaddy
Now we all know what our parents greatest revenge is: watching their children deal with their own children who are acting just like they did! Certainly makes one have a lot more appreciative, doesn't it? Reminds me of that Mark Twain quote:

"When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years."

:o)

96 posted on 07/31/2003 7:18:28 AM PDT by austinTparty
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To: wardaddy
Now we all know what our parents greatest revenge is: watching their children deal with their own children who are acting just like they did! Certainly makes one have a lot more appreciative, doesn't it? Reminds me of that Mark Twain quote:

"When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished by how much he'd learned in seven years."

:o)

97 posted on 07/31/2003 7:18:28 AM PDT by austinTparty
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To: sit-rep
All I can say at this point is, whats up with the tag line??

I got tired of all the druling (sp?) over the picture of Bush in a flight suit. In the tag line the arrow points to me and describes me. I do look a whole lot better in a flight suit than a french maid's outfit. The only drawback to that tagline is that the single freepettes here have not taken the hint and jumped on these old bones . . .

98 posted on 07/31/2003 8:20:47 AM PDT by Petruchio (<===Looks Sexy in a flightsuit . . . Looks Silly in a french maid outfit)
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To: Nick Danger
Maybe sperm themselves have adapted to whatever adaptations mitochondria may have made, or maybe distinguishing between X and Y bearing sperm is beyond the capability of a mitochondria. Or maybe it is not in their interest, as the elimination of all Y bearing sperm would kill off the species by making reproduction impossible.
99 posted on 07/31/2003 8:45:23 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: MEGoody
Please tell me, what are the most plentiful life forms on the planet. Are they not single-celled creatures who do not use intercourse for reproduction?

Yup. So how is that method of reproduction not successful?

If you consider biological success as topping out at being a single-cell life form, you've got a point. I'd flip it around as evidence that asexual reproduction works for simple life forms, but higher life forms require something more. The mutation into separate sexes permitted more genetic variation, and so massively accelerated the evolutionary process for those particular life forms. Personally, I'd consider humanity a pretty good biological success.

100 posted on 07/31/2003 8:52:20 AM PDT by XJarhead
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