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Where the Good Jobs Are Going
Time Canada ^ | August 4, 2003 | Jyoti Thottam

Posted on 07/28/2003 11:01:09 AM PDT by Willie Green

For education and discussion only. Not for commercial use.

Forget sweatshops. U.S. companies are now shifting high-wage work overseas, especially to India

Little by little, sab maglione could feel his job slipping away. He worked for a large insurance firm in northern New Jersey, developing the software it uses to keep track of its agents. But in mid-2001, his employer introduced him to Tata Consultancy Services, India´s largest software company. About 120 Tata employees were brought in to help on a platform-conversion project. Maglione, 44, trained and managed a five-person Tata team. When one of them was named manager, he started to worry. By the end of last year, 70% of the project had been shifted to India and nearly all 20 U.S. workers, including Maglione, were laid off.

Since then, Maglione has been able to find only temporary work in his field, taking a pay cut of nearly 30% from his former salary of $77,000. For a family and mortgage, he says, “that doesn´t pay the bills.” Worried about utility costs, he runs after his two children, 11 and 7, to turn off the lights. And he has considered a new career as a house painter. “It doesn´t require that much skill, and I don´t have to go to school for it,” Maglione says. And houses, at least, can´t be painted from overseas.

Jobs that stay put are becoming a lot harder to find these days. U.S. companies are expected to send 3.3 million jobs overseas in the next 12 years, primarily to India, according to a study by Forrester Research. If you´ve ever called Dell about a sick PC or American Express about an error on your bill, you have already bumped the tip of this “offshore outsourcing” iceberg. The friendly voice that answered your questions was probably a customer-service rep in Bangalore or New Delhi. Those relatively low-skilled jobs were the first to go, starting in 1997.

But more and more of the jobs that are moving abroad today are highly skilled and highly paid—the type that U.S. workers assumed would always remain at home. Instead Maglione is one of thousands of Americans adjusting to the unsettling new reality of work. “If I can get another three years in this industry, I´ll be fortunate,” he says. Businesses are embracing offshore outsourcing in their drive to stay competitive, and almost any company, whether in manufacturing or services, can find some part of its work that can be done off site. By taking advantage of lower wages overseas, U.S. managers believe they can cut their overall costs 25% to 40% while building a more secure, more focused work force in the U.S. Labor leaders—and nonunion workers, who make up most of those being displaced—aren´t buying that rationale. “How can America be competitive in the long run sending over the very best jobs?” asks Marcus Courtney, president of the Seattle-based Washington Alliance of Technology Workers. “I don´t see how that helps the middle class.”

On the other side of the world, though, educated Indian workers are quickly adjusting to their new status as the world´s most sought-after employees. They have never been more confident and optimistic—as Americans usually like to think of themselves. For now, at least, in ways both tangible and emotional, educated Americans and Indians are trading places.

Uma Satheesh, 32, an employee of Wipro, one of India´s leading outsourcing companies, is among her country´s new élite. She manages 38 people who work for Hewlett-Packard´s enterprise-servers group doing maintenance, fixing defects and enhancing the networking software developed by HP for its clients. Her unit includes more than 300 people who work for HP, about 90 of whom were added last November when HP went through a round of cost-cutting.

“We´ve been associated with HP for a long time, so it was an emotional thing,” Satheesh says. “It was kind of a mixed feeling. But that is happening at all the companies, and it´s going to continue.” Satheesh says that five years ago, computer-science graduates had one career option in India: routine, mind-numbing computer programming. Anything more rewarding required emigrating. “Until three years ago, the first preference was to go overseas,” she says. Nowadays her colleagues are interested only in business trips to the U.S. “People are pretty comfortable with the jobs here and the pay here”—not to mention the cars and houses that once seemed out of reach. Employees in her group earn from $5,200 a year to $36,000 for the most experienced managers.

And as American companies have grown more familiar with their Indian outsourcing partners, they have steadily increased the complexity of work they are willing to hand over. Rajeshwari Rangarajan, 28, leads a team of seven Wipro workers enhancing the intranet site on which Lehman Brothers employees manage personal benefits like their 401(k) accounts. “I see myself growing with every project that I do here,” Rangarajan says. “I really don´t have any doubts about the growth of my career.”

Her experience with a leading brokerage will probably help. Financial-services companies in the U.S. are expected to move more than 500,000 jobs overseas in the next five years, according to a survey by management consultant A.T. Kearney, and India is by far the top destination. U.S. banks, insurance firms and mortgage companies have been using outsourcing to handle tech support for years. Now these firms are using Indian workers to handle the business operations—say, assessing loan applications and credit checks—that the technology supports. Kumar Mahadeva, CEO of the thriving outsourcing firm Cognizant, explains the appeal: “It becomes logical for them to say, ‘Hey, you know everything about the way we do claims processing. Why not take a piece of it?´”

The next logical step, says Andrea Bierce, a co-author of the A.T. Kearney study, is jobs that require more complex financial skills such as equity research and analysis or market research for developing new business. Evalueserve, a niche outsourcing company in Delhi, already performs research for patent attorneys and consulting firms in the U.S. In April, J.P. Morgan Chase said it would hire about 40 stock-research analysts in Bombay—about 5% of its total research staff. Novartis employs 40 statisticians in Bombay who process data from the drug company´s clinical research.

But as educated workers in India are finding new opportunities, those in the U.S. feel the doors closing. Last week Bernie Lantz drove 1,400 miles from his home in Plano, Texas, to begin a new life in Utah. He is 58 years old, a bachelor, and had lived in the Dallas area for 24 years. “I´m leaving all my friends,” he says with a sigh. “It´s quite an upheaval.” Lantz used to earn $80,000 a year as a troubleshooter for Sabre, a company based in Southlake, Texas, whose software powers airline-reservations systems. But over the past two years, Sabre has gradually standardized and has centralized its software service. As Sabre began to outsource its internal IT services, Lantz says, he became convinced that jobs like his were becoming endangered. He was laid off in December. (A company spokesman denies that Lantz´s firing was related to outsourcing.)

Discouraged by a depressed job market in Dallas, Lantz realized he would have to do something else. In the fall he will begin teaching computer science at Utah State University in Logan, and in the meantime he has learned a lesson of his own: “Find a job that requires direct hands-on work on site,” Lantz advises. “Anything that can be sent overseas is going to be sent overseas.”

Pat Fluno, 53, of Orlando, Florida, says she, like Maglione, had to train her replacement—a common practice in the domestic outsourcing industry—when her data-processing unit at Germany-based Siemens was outsourced to India´s Tata last year. “It´s extremely insulting,” she says. “The guy´s sitting there doing my old job.” After 10 months of looking, she is working again, but she had to take a $10,000 pay cut.

To protect domestic jobs, U.S. labor activists are pushing to limit the number of H-1B and L-1 visas granted to foreign workers. That would make it harder for offshore companies to have their employees working on site in the U.S. “Those programs were designed for a booming high-tech economy, not a busting high-tech economy,” says Courtney of the Washington Alliance of Technology Workers. Courtney and his allies are starting to get the attention of lawmakers. Several congressional committees have held hearings on the impact of offshore outsourcing on the U.S. economy, and lawmakers in five states have introduced bills that would limit or forbid filling government contracts through offshore outsourcing.

Stephanie Moore, a vice president of Forrester Research, says companies are concerned about the backlash but mainly because of the negative publicity. “The retail industry is very hush-hush about its offshoring,” she says. But within the boardroom, such outsourcing enjoys wide support. In a June survey of 1,000 firms by Gartner Research, 80% said the backlash would have no effect on their plans.

The advantages, businesses say, are just too great to ignore. They begin with cost but don´t end there. Jennifer Cotteleer, vice president of Phase Forward, a Waltham, Massachusetts, company that designs software for measuring clinical-trials data for drug companies, has for the past two years used offshore employees from Cognizant to customize the application for specific drug trials. Lately she has been relying on their expertise to develop even more-tailored programming. “I certainly couldn´t have grown this fast without them,” Cotteleer says. Her company is growing 30% annually, on track to reach $65 million in revenue this year. “What I´ve been able to do in very tough economic times is manage very directly to my margins,” she says. “I´m providing job security for the workers I do have.”

Creative use of offshore outsourcing, says Debashish Sinha of Gartner Research, offers benefits that outweigh the direct loss of jobs. In an economy that has shed 2 million jobs over two years, he contends, the 200,000 that have moved overseas are less significant than the potential for cost savings and strategic growth. But he concedes that “when you´re a laid-off employee who can´t find a job, that´s hard to understand.”

Perhaps some will follow the example of Dick Taggart, 41, of Old Greenwich, Connecticut. After 18 years in financial services, most recently at J.P. Morgan Chase, he now works for Progeon, an affiliate of the Indian outsourcing giant Infosys, as its man on Wall Street. One week out of every six or seven, he takes securities firms to India to show them the savings that are possible. He knows the transition is painful for the workers left behind, but he has seen it before. “It was the same thing when we moved from Wall Street to New Jersey and then to Dallas,” he says. “Guess what? This is next.”

 —With reporting by Sean Gregory/New York City


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: globalism; outsourcing
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To: Huck
I would simply point out that many Japanese live exactly as you do. The Japanese save incredible amounts of money and (not least of which because unsecured personal loans are very difficult to get) have very little debt. But that has only gotten Japan into a recession that has lasted for more than a decade and now deflation, that eats into all of those savings. The Japanese government was giving out retail certificates (that you had to spend) instead of tax cuts to get people to spend money and they wouldn't do it.

When your manufacturing jobs leave, and your skilled labor jobs leave, the only thing left is luxury items, services, and consumption. If you don't have that, you can't drive an economy that doesn't have enough manufacturing jobs. That leads to deflation, which the Japanese are experiencing right now. Remember the Japanese miracle of the 1980s? It's the nightmare of the 1990s. And savings and lack of debt have not been the answer there. Of course even protectionism isn't really helping them.

121 posted on 07/28/2003 4:35:49 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: KneelBeforeZod
When you start training a bunch of new people... start looking for a new job.

Anyone I've seen is "we'd like everyone to submit a copy of their updated resume's - just for the record". Geez, start looking immediately.

122 posted on 07/28/2003 4:46:11 PM PDT by searchandrecovery (America will not exist in 25 years.)
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To: searchandrecovery
As much as I'm sure the movie is relived on FR...American Beauty had an interesting bit of dialogue when Kevin Spacey meets the efficency expert (layoff guy) to go over his self-written job assesment/description.

not really fit to be posted here though.
124 posted on 07/28/2003 5:00:19 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod (If God hadn't meant for them to be sheared, he wouldn't have made them sheep.)
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To: Huck
That's not it at all. Take nothing for granted. And I have picked up a few clues along the way. Best of luck to you.

Well, I consider this a very serious issue and your off-hand flippant borderline arrogant comments do lead one to the possible conclusion of at least semi-cluelessness. Maybe I am going overboard a bit in my response but your remarks really seem to grossly oversimplify the situation.

I have liberal friends that constantly tell me Conservatism is merely survival of the fittest – kill or be killed – eat or be eaten. I always objected to the categorization but people like Huck make me wonder if they might be onto something.

125 posted on 07/28/2003 5:04:07 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Snerfling
Huck, I suggest you give it up. You're trying to carry on a debate with a group of people who represent the Dems' next labor constituency.

You might want to see a doctor about that jerking knee.

126 posted on 07/28/2003 5:04:58 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: KneelBeforeZod
As much as I'm sure the movie is relived on FR...American Beauty had an interesting bit of dialogue when Kevin Spacey meets the efficency expert (layoff guy) to go over his self-written job assesment/description. not really fit to be posted here though.

I think "Office Space" is another good example.

127 posted on 07/28/2003 5:09:36 PM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
yeah, I totally forgot to put in office space, and I had been thinking of it.

and I meant to say American Beauty is reviled, not reLIVED on FR... a LOT of foul language in that movie.
128 posted on 07/28/2003 5:13:55 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod (If God hadn't meant for them to be sheared, he wouldn't have made them sheep.)
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To: Last Visible Dog
I have liberal friends that constantly tell me Conservatism is merely survival of the fittest – kill or be killed – eat or be eaten. I always objected to the categorization but people like Huck make me wonder if they might be onto something.

They have conservatism confused with free market capitalism.

129 posted on 07/28/2003 5:14:06 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Last Visible Dog
I think "Office Space" is another good example.

Great movie. Changed my life.

130 posted on 07/28/2003 5:15:20 PM PDT by Huck
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To: KneelBeforeZod
"American Beauty" you say? Haven't seen it, but it sounds like a flick about hot chicks! Blockbuster Video, I am so there this weekend! Thanks for the tip.
131 posted on 07/28/2003 5:34:31 PM PDT by searchandrecovery (America will not exist in 25 years.)
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To: Last Visible Dog
...eat or be eaten.

Firesign Theatre fan?

132 posted on 07/28/2003 5:37:33 PM PDT by searchandrecovery (America will not exist in 25 years.)
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To: Question_Assumptions
If the missus takes a job, then the kids may need daycare

Free traders have simple answer for this - if Americans cannot afford to have children they should leave procreating to Mexicans and Indians who can do it more efficiently. Free market rules require this.

133 posted on 07/28/2003 6:37:24 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: aSkeptic
Outsource the executives!

Sooner or later they will. Sooner or later, the companies in china and india, will figure out that the plant and equipment are in India/china, all the workers are in India/china, so why do they need american executives at all? or why do they need an american name on their products at all? When the exuctives and the stockholders find out that the indians and chinese dont need them, the executives and stock holders will have their day too.

134 posted on 07/28/2003 8:05:19 PM PDT by waterstraat
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To: searchandrecovery
Georgie Tirebitter ... he's a spy and a girl delighter.
135 posted on 07/28/2003 9:23:21 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
No, Microsoft said that they would add 4000-5000 jobs with about 3500 of these within the US.

I don't think Microsoft has 3,000,000 employees.

You are right, it was IBM I was thinking of.

IBM wants to shift 3 million (white collar) jobs overseas

136 posted on 07/28/2003 11:08:52 PM PDT by need_a_screen_name
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To: need_a_screen_name
Funny article. IBM only has 316,000 jobs worldwide.
137 posted on 07/29/2003 6:05:56 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: lelio
”Heck, I don't think a retail place would take me as they know I'll take off at the first hint of a better paying job.”

You are right on the money with this. My wife (4 year degree – 10 years of work experience in her field) was unable to get full time employment at any retail chain. They don’t want to invest the money in hiring someone full time who could up and quit at any time. Best she could do was get part time (35-39 hours).

It’s funny in a sad sort of way. She still keeps in touch with all the people she used to work with. One of them was an asset manager – he’s working in a sandwich shop and driving a limo at night. Another was a systems engineer – he’s selling cell phones in a pavilion at his local mall. The only ones who seemed to find work at the same level were the secretaries.

Can you imagine what it’s going to be like for kids coming out of college with degrees in computer science and programming?

138 posted on 07/29/2003 7:12:42 AM PDT by SouthParkRepublican (Will work for food)
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To: clamper1797
Georgie Tirebitter ... he's a spy and a girl delighter.

First, sorry for the late reply - handling a physical problem (pinched nerve in neck - painful). That having been said...

Yea, but still, he's just a student like you.

139 posted on 07/30/2003 3:39:37 PM PDT by searchandrecovery (America will not exist in 25 years.)
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To: dfrussell
Either that or mistrain them, make them into complete screwups.
140 posted on 07/30/2003 3:44:10 PM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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