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To: Huck
I would simply point out that many Japanese live exactly as you do. The Japanese save incredible amounts of money and (not least of which because unsecured personal loans are very difficult to get) have very little debt. But that has only gotten Japan into a recession that has lasted for more than a decade and now deflation, that eats into all of those savings. The Japanese government was giving out retail certificates (that you had to spend) instead of tax cuts to get people to spend money and they wouldn't do it.

When your manufacturing jobs leave, and your skilled labor jobs leave, the only thing left is luxury items, services, and consumption. If you don't have that, you can't drive an economy that doesn't have enough manufacturing jobs. That leads to deflation, which the Japanese are experiencing right now. Remember the Japanese miracle of the 1980s? It's the nightmare of the 1990s. And savings and lack of debt have not been the answer there. Of course even protectionism isn't really helping them.

121 posted on 07/28/2003 4:35:49 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions
Of course even protectionism isn't really helping them.

Most of Japan's problems were caused by its protectionism, not by its laudible frugal citizenry. The huge amounts of foreign capital thay amassed became utterly worthless as their trade barriers made it impossible to spend. A cab ride in Tokyo got to be $50. A small hotel room $300. They were playing with Monopoly money, having collected vast amounts of foreign currency with no way to spend it. Sooner or later, it had to implode.

Contrary to your thesis, Japan is a perfect illustration of the failures of trade barriers, not the proof of their legitimacy.

146 posted on 08/01/2003 5:52:57 PM PDT by massadvj
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