Posted on 07/25/2003 10:39:04 AM PDT by nickcarraway
Authorities accuse couple of illegal incestuous union
A Mobile County grand jury has said that a Theodore husband and wife may really be father and daughter and ought to be tried for incest.
Carrol Eugene Ferdinandsen, 53, and Alice Faye Ferdinandsen, 30, were arrested Thursday and charged with incest and fraud in connection with their May 2 marriage in a civil ceremony in Mobile County. They were indicted in June.
According to Mobile County court records, Alice was the third child of Carrol and Shirley Faye Ferdinandsen, and her mother filed for divorce when Alice was only 4 months old. Her mother said Thursday that she later met and married Charles Stewart, who Alice listed as her father on her marriage license application.
Up to that point, Alice had used "Ferdinandsen" as her last name, according to court records.
Incestuous marriages are forbidden in all states, in part due to fears about genetic mutation and child abuse. They still occur, though rarely, according to a survey of news articles from around the country.
The Ferdinandsens could not be reached for comment Thursday. They were still being held in the Mobile County Metro Jail, with bond set at $8,500 for each, officials said.
Family members said they had heard about the marriage and disapproved of the relationship.
"My father is completely convinced that she's not his daughter, no blood relation at all," David Ferdinandsen, who said he is Carrol's son and Alice's older brother. He's tried to discourage his father from the relationship, he said, but his father won't listen.
Alice's mother, whose last name is now Crayne, said Carrol is definitely Alice's father. She didn't meet Charles Stewart until Alice was 3 or 4 years old, she said.
"I told her she was stupid for marrying her own daddy," Shirley Crayne said. "I told him he was crazy and stupid. I told her I didn't ever want to hear from her again."
Crayne started crying during an interview Thursday. It hurts so bad, she said, because Alice is her youngest child and she worked hard taking care of the children when they were young.
After the divorce, the couple's three children were placed in foster care, David Ferdinandsen said. They were there for five years, he said. They went to live with their mother, and later moved in with their father, he said.
Crayne said Alice sometimes called Carrol "Daddy" and sometimes just "Carrol."
Crayne said she would scold her daughter when she used her father's first name.
During the 1980s, Carrol and Alice went to Illinois, staying for months, David Ferdinandsen said. When they returned, Alice went back to school, he said.
According to Mobile County Circuit Court records, Carrol pleaded guilty to second-degree rape in 1989. The records do not identify the victim and prosecutors could not be reached for comment Thursday. He spent a year in jail.
Alice moved to Texas, where she got a boyfriend and a job at a hamburger stand, her mother said. But in the mid-1990s, Carrol came looking for her and she ended up moving back with him to Theodore, according to her mother and brother. They've been together ever since, relatives said.
Crayne said she never heard that Carrol claimed that Alice wasn't his daughter until just a few years ago. Now Alice believes it, too, she said.
In general, God does not intervene with people who are sinning.
Lot was different. God was paying attention to this guy. He had been actively messing with Lot and the people around him. God made a habit of getting in the way of the free will of the people around Lot. Turning his wife to salt for exercising her free will is no a laze faire attitude. Blinding some dudes because they were exercising their free will by wanting a little angle butt is pretty intrusive. You would at least think God could have prevented Lot from getting it up during the two nights of the drinking parties.
True. However, I can give you benefit of the doubt and assume you are logical and rational.
If you can present no rational argument as to why a sterile adult father and sterile adult daughter should not get married then I assume you would act rational and say it would be ok. If this is not the case and you are not a rational thinker, please forgive me.
Note: We are not talking about what YOU would do with your daughters. We are talking about OTHER people who are doing others no harm.
Do you want to prevent an adult and sterile father and daughter from getting married?
We not talking about minors or possible genitic problems. We are talking about two people acting in ways that can not possibly hurt you other than offending your beliefs.
That is too bad. How do you manage to get up in the morning?
What can I say...long live the "White Trash" hicks!... they never fail to live up to the nick! Hurrah!
No sh!t...my cousin want to get laid by me too...she said it would be just fine, no rules broken! That was quite few years back, never the less it floored me!
Also, the original article included this tidbit, of Human Rights Campaign making the same arguments against incest that most people here on FR would against sodomy, but unable to articulate why he believed one deserved protection while the other didn't:
Layton pointed out that laws against incest "already exist side by side" with the Supreme Court's current right-to-privacy doctrine. From this, he inferred that the doctrine doesn't cover those laws. But laws against gay sex also exist side by side with the privacy doctrine. If coexistence implies compatibility, then Santorum wins on both counts: States can ban incest and gay sex.
I asked Layton whether states should be allowed to ban incest. "They have a right to do that, as long as they have a rational basis," he said. Do they have such a basis? "It's not my point to argue what a state's rational basis would be for regulating cousin marriage," Layton replied. "The only way the court's decision in [the sodomy] case would go down the slippery slope to incest is if legally they were the same thing, which they're not." Why not? Essentially, Layton reasoned that it isn't his job to explain why incest and gay sex are different. It's Santorum's job to explain why they're similar.
But HRC's own arguments hint at similarities. Like Smith, a defender of brother-sister incest could accuse Santorum of "disparaging an entire group of Americans" and "advocating that a certain segment of American society be disavowed from constitutional protection." In its brief to the Supreme Court in the sodomy case, HRC maintains that "criminalizing the conduct that defines the class serves no legitimate state purpose," since gays "are not less productive—or more dangerous—members of the community by mere dint of their sexual orientation." They sustain "committed relationships" and "serve their country in the military and in the government." Fair enough. But couldn't the same be said of sibling couples? Don't laugh. Cousin couples are already making this argument.
I certainly do not support these old barbaric behaviors, but if you think of it in terms of historical perspectives, you can understand how backward type people may still practice polygamy or marry young 12 year old girls?
Let me guess, you have no sense of humor? :^]
Was there a blood test to comfirm he was her father? The way it looks alice's mother seemed busy remarrying and divorse alot doesn't it put a "?" to the sexual activities in her life and yet they never charged the father with child sexual-abuse did he sexually abuse alice when she was younger or not? reasoning would state he did why else would she want to marry her father?
OK "?" Did they take a BLOOD test to Confirm he's her father? and on the cousin approach what about Jerry Lee Lewis did he not marry is relative? also hypethetical scenerio: What if two siblings who where adopted out as children at a young age, having two different last names now, found each other at "oh around 16 or so" and was attracted to each other, not knowing the attraction was biological but chemical love like, had sex and then decided to marry is this a case for the supreme courts and if they said they couldn't be married then are they charged with incest and imprisoned and if they countinue to have sex afterwards are they charged again?
OK "?" Jerry Lee Lewis, Did he not marry is relative? If "Incest is Best" then why we all complaining? :) Usa has to many laws that contradict themselfs. just like the law for statutory rape isn't that for the girls benefit and sexual discrimenation to guys I mean come on a 14-17yr old boy can be charged for statutory rape but a girl that is 14-17yr old can't "?" Doesn't girls mature faster then boys?
So if Daddy and daughter are adults "Two Consenting Adults" then it should be A-Ok. Now if the make a baby?, Then using the gene pool law's I can see that happening! Does europe have laws like this? The Man Law: A male cannot transport a Female across states line for sex! ?Man are all married people in trouble?" ROFLMAO
I think this should be pushed in front of the so called Supremes. Also multiple people and animals. Let's break this thing now instead of a slow death.
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